Is not believing in an eternal hell Heresy?

[Rick Otto]

uh,... I say so because it isn't the fear of Hell that led me to repentance.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

This thread has been and is orthodoxy, and sadly I sinfully stretch the rules knowingly at times and unknowingly at other times, yet they haven't gonged me yet...thank you Jesus!

I do have to admit this thread has been a blending of personalities where we're still getting along. Thank you Jesus.

Old Jack's opinion

You watched "The Gong Show" also?

"Obama gonged"

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[shturt678s]

uh,... I say so because it isn't the fear of Hell that led me to repentance.

Fear of hell didn't lead me to repentance as a new believer, however after Bible studies and Church it wasn't long that I bumped into Ps.36:1 which really impacted me...not wanting to continually offend or even provoke a Living Lord resulting in living in hell while still alive, and ending in hell forever and ever...convicts me till today.

My end point my true brother, Ps.36:1 still leads me to repentance.

Old Jack's opinion....btw still haven't received my paygrade increase?

 

[shturt678s]

You watched "The Gong Show" also?

"Obama gonged"

EXCLUSIVE VIDEO: Young Barack Obama on "The Gong Show" - YouTube



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[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Rick Otto

If you have to believe in eternal torture to be a good person, you're probably not a good person.
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Ummmm, if you say so.......

2Co 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body,
according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
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uh,... I say so because it isn't the fear of Hell that led me to repentance.

Ahhh, thanks for clarifying that.

2Pe 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us,
not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

quote: "This video is a story of a preacher who was caught up in the mainstream dogmatic teachings of the hell myth. One day God spoke to him and said that hell is on earth. God can speak even today to people. May the truth be known. Peace."

A preacher finds out the truth about the lie of hell. - YouTube




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[Rick Otto]

Ahhh, thanks for clarifying that.
What did lead you to that?.

Romans2:4: tells...

Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

 

[Angelquill]

This thread has been and is orthodoxy, and sadly I sinfully stretch the rules knowingly at times and unknowingly at other times, yet they haven't gonged me yet...thank you Jesus!

I do have to admit this thread has been a blending of personalities where we're still getting along. Thank you Jesus.

Old Jack's opinion

The fact that everyone is still getting along fills me with joy, and gives me hope! Thank You Jesus, indeed!


...............and..................
Thank you Old Jack!

 

[MoreCoffee]

I am constantly amazed in these threads to see how Christians treat one another when they do not agree.

I think of Mahatma Ghandhi, who liked our Christ, but not our Christians, because, he said, our Christians are so unlike our Christ.

And it saddens me to think that great man got close enough to know that Christ is someone to be admired...but then the behavior of the Christians he knew pushed him away.

How much blood is on our hands? How will we ever explain our bad behavior to our Father?

Come on, kids, just because you don't agree with someone is no reason to get nasty...we're supposed to love one another as our Lord loves us...remember?

And all men should know His disciples by their love.

How many disciples does He have in these forums?

I'm truly beginning to wonder...

Choosing one's words with care would help, rather than asserting that those who believe doctrine X must be following a tradition and thereby implying that they are not following Christ or not reading and following scripture is no way to encourage civil discourse because your readers are going to notice what they've just been called.

I think, though I may be mistaken, that my first post in this thread in recent days was #188. In it I raised the question "what is it that is supposed to be better about annihilation and why is it better?" because the posts immediately before mine suggested that eternal torment (an emotive way of expressing the idea of eternal punishment) was cruel and would make God cruel. Your own post (the first from you that I can recall seeing in the thread) #318 says that "God would keep people alive throughout eternity, only to torture them" and that would evidently make God cruel. You said "If God is love, how could He be so cruel?" And you referred to your own beliefs saying, "I have believed in the traditional concept of hell for most of my Christian life...some 50 years". Most who do believe that hell and punishment in hell are eternal (or if you prefer the biblical term "everlasting") believe it because their reading of scripture as well as their knowledge of the Church's teaching from the earliest centuries led them to believe it. Those who believe that there is eternal punishment do not accuse God of cruelty nor imply that there is injustice in his sentence at the last judgement where the Lord, Jesus Christ, says "these shall go away into everlasting punishment" (Matt 25:46). So when people who oppose the doctrine of everlasting punishment say that others, who believe it, do so because of tradition or are spreading a belief that makes God cruel it is only natural that those thus accused notice that not only have they themselves been treated as if they were not honestly reading scripture with their minds attuned to the Spirit and hearts willing to follow the Lord wherever he leads but also that God himself is being made the subject of judgement as a cruel being if he is willing to punishment everlastingly. It is not a surprise to see replies that take into account these things. If you wished to avoid it then a more careful and tactful choice of words would have served you better, I think.

 

[shturt678s]

Romans2:4: tells...

Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

In Rom.2:4, I don't think that our Lord's general beneficence toward men is here made a means of grace that is able to produce a saving "repentance"?

However if we move fast forward to Rom.3:18 would. A fear of "hades" included of course.....in torments inwardly and outwardly forever and ever and ever... aforever gong show.

Old Jack's lower paygrade's opinion

 

[shturt678s]

The fact that everyone is still getting along fills me with joy, and gives me hope! Thank You Jesus, indeed!


...............and..................
Thank you Old Jack!

Your "thank you Jesus, indeed" well noted!!!

Old, usually un- -able, Jack

 

[By Faith Alone]

Your "thank you Jesus, indeed" well noted!!!

AGREED!!

Old, usually un- -able, Jack

I RESEMBLE that remark!!

 

[shturt678s]

AGREED!!




I RESEMBLE that remark!!

Thank you Jesus...all my ripping and running & dining and dashing done....now giving, and trying not to falsify the Word, stay on topic, and stop bending the rules, old Jack...by faith alone...effected thru repentance.

 

[Angelquill]

Choosing one's words with care would help, rather than asserting that those who believe doctrine X must be following a tradition and thereby implying that they are not following Christ or not reading and following scripture is no way to encourage civil discourse because your readers are going to notice what they've just been called.

I think, though I may be mistaken, that my first post in this thread in recent days was #188. In it I raised the question "what is it that is supposed to be better about annihilation and why is it better?" because the posts immediately before mine suggested that eternal torment (an emotive way of expressing the idea of eternal punishment) was cruel and would make God cruel. Your own post (the first from you that I can recall seeing in the thread) #318 says that "God would keep people alive throughout eternity, only to torture them" and that would evidently make God cruel. You said "If God is love, how could He be so cruel?" And you referred to your own beliefs saying, "I have believed in the traditional concept of hell for most of my Christian life...some 50 years". Most who do believe that hell and punishment in hell are eternal (or if you prefer the biblical term "everlasting") believe it because their reading of scripture as well as their knowledge of the Church's teaching from the earliest centuries led them to believe it. Those who believe that there is eternal punishment do not accuse God of cruelty nor imply that there is injustice in his sentence at the last judgement where the Lord, Jesus Christ, says "these shall go away into everlasting punishment" (Matt 25:46). So when people who oppose the doctrine of everlasting punishment say that others, who believe it, do so because of tradition or are spreading a belief that makes God cruel it is only natural that those thus accused notice that not only have they themselves been treated as if they were not honestly reading scripture with their minds attuned to the Spirit and hearts willing to follow the Lord wherever he leads but also that God himself is being made the subject of judgement as a cruel being if he is willing to punishment everlastingly. It is not a surprise to see replies that take into account these things. If you wished to avoid it then a more careful and tactful choice of words would have served you better, I think.

I think each of us ought to be free to think for ourselves, to search the scriptures for ourselves, and to decide for ourselves what we believe. As it happens, I believe devoutly in everything the Nicene creed says.
However, I am not, nor have I ever been a Catholic, and I do not feel under any obligation whatsoever to put myself under the Catholic church's authority as t what to think or how to interpret my Bible, or what to believe.
I'm sorry if I offended you in any way, as that was certainly not my intention.
We do not agree on this issue.
Let's just leave it at that.
That would be the reasonable and courteous thing to do.
Thank you.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I think each of us ought to be free to think for ourselves, to search the scriptures for ourselves, and to decide for ourselves what we believe. As it happens, I believe devoutly in everything the Nicene creed says.
However, I am not, nor have I ever been a Catholic, and I do not feel under any obligation whatsoever to put myself under the Catholic church's authority as t what to think or how to interpret my Bible, or what to believe.
I'm sorry if I offended you in any way, as that was certainly not my intention.
We do not agree on this issue.
Let's just leave it at that.
That would be the reasonable and courteous thing to do.
Thank you.

It would be even more reasonable and courteous if your posts did not imply that Catholics do not think for themselves or are not free to think for themselves. Guess it is that old "you folk are mindless drones caught up in the vast theological system of Catholicism" accusation that I hear coming in post after post written by those who think they are free and thinking for themselves. ... not exactly the way to encourage genuine dialogue when posts say such things.

 

[Timothew]

Why do you think I'm not loving?

Why should I respect heresy and be positive towards it?

Because it isn't heresy, it is only your opinion that it is heresy. The Bible directly says that the wicked will perish, it is not heresy for me to believe that the wicked will perish. It is not loving to claim that someone is a heretic for believing what the Bible says, even if you think that the Bible doesn't say what it says.

But the wicked will perish: Though the LORD's enemies are like the flowers of the field, they will be consumed, they will go up in smoke.
Psalm 37:20.

If what I believe is a heresy, then the Bible itself is a heresy.

 

[Mama Kidogo]

If what I believe is a heresy, then the Bible itself is a heresy.

Sorry. Wrong gauge. What you or I believe changes nothing in the truth.

 

[Timothew]

Sorry. Wrong gauge. What you or I believe changes nothing in the truth.

Okay look,

I believe that the wicked will perish.
Johnathan95 says that believing that the wicked will perish is a heresy.
The Bible says that the wicked will perish.
Psalm 37:20
"But the wicked will perish: Though the LORD's enemies are like the flowers of the field, they will be consumed, they will go up in smoke."
If I am believing a heresy because I believe Psalm 37:20 then Psalm 37:20 is also a heresy. If Psalm 37:20 is a heresy, then the Bible is a heresy.

The truth is that the wicked will perish, whether you or I believe it or not, that truth doesn't change.

 

[Mama Kidogo]

Okay look,

I believe that the wicked will perish.
Johnathan95 says that believing that the wicked will perish is a heresy.
The Bible says that the wicked will perish.
Psalm 37:20
"But the wicked will perish: Though the LORD's enemies are like the flowers of the field, they will be consumed, they will go up in smoke."
If I am believing a heresy because I believe Psalm 37:20 then Psalm 37:20 is also a heresy. If Psalm 37:20 is a heresy, then the Bible is a heresy.

The truth is that the wicked will perish, whether you or I believe it or not, that truth doesn't change.

hey, I agree that the wicked will perish. I just believe they will continue to perish forever. Johnathan95 is wrong. I'll even agree that when eternity ends they will cease to be.

 

[James Is Back]

It would be even more reasonable and courteous if your posts did not imply that Catholics do not think for themselves or are not free to think for themselves. Guess it is that old "you folk are mindless drones caught up in the vast theological system of Catholicism" accusation that I hear coming in post after post written by those who think they are free and thinking for themselves. ... not exactly the way to encourage genuine dialogue when posts say such things.

I think you're all androids programed by the Pope to follow him j/k

 

[Mama Kidogo]

I think you're all androids programed by the Pope to follow him j/k

Shhhh! It's a Jesuit secret.