Is Normal Lust a sin? Scripture please.

[ChristianCenturion]

I can find no biblical scripture that teaches that normal sexual lust is evil or a sin. Can you provide any? Can you find any legitimate scripture from any Major Abrahamic religion?

Would you be referencing lust on the basis of non-Theists definition of that word or Theists?

ETA: Upon further reading, I see where you qualify it as anything not prohibited in Leviticus, but that would still be vague. Especially considering that this is a Christian forum and such a statement doesn't also consider Matt 5:28; which I see has been attempted to mock in the thread with a woman lusting after women misrepresentation.

 

[KCDAD]

I can find no biblical scripture that teaches that normal sexual lust is evil or a sin. Can you provide any? Can you find any legitimate scripture from any Major Abrahamic religion?

Can you really be in an attitude of prayer and lust normally at the same time?
That would be my measuring rod.

 

[Misty Minister]

I disagree up to a point, I think that the phrase 'normal lust' is an oxymoron. I think that lust is always wrong.

I do not disagree that a husband and wife should desire each other in the way that God intends, but I think even between married people there are lines that shouldn't be crossed.

I guess it's the usage of the term lust as something normal that I would disagree with. I know some people don't view it as always being a bad thing, so I am willing to consider how others use the term. This is just my own opinon.

In reading Song of Solomon, I don't see anything there that would be considered lust. (in the biblical usage of the term)

I'm not sure what the OP means, though. She might be trying to ask something completely different.

Michelle

lust 1 Sensuos appetite regarded as a sin; passionate enjoyment or desire of; lascivious passion 2 Have passionate longing for.

Sort of vague. Some people feel that way about Belgin chocolate or garlic butter covered chicken, sinfully delicious.

Do you like honey? Don't eat too much or you will get sick.
Proverbs

 

[Misty Minister]

gengwall, I don't see where lust is ever described as a holy thing in the Bible. It's always used in reference to something that is unholy. So, I dunno, perhaps I am splitting hairs and being nitpicky, I really don't know. I see true holy devotion in your admiration and committment to your wife. I just would not refer to it as lust. Even when speaking in very personal terms about your relationship.

Michelle

What would you describe his dersire for his wifes sexuality as being?

 

[Misty Minister]

Job realised that for him leering at virgins leads him to think about having sex with them. JMO.

 

[Misty Minister]

thou shall not covet thy neighbor's goods... that includes her body.

You need to re-read the entire section in context. The thou shall not covet includes you neighbors wife. This is true even if you break the commandment in two sections like the RCC does. The not coveting her body is also part of the anti-adultry commandment.
Thoughts can lead to actions. That became a real problem for some the sexual deviants, like flashers, who have poor impulse control.

 

[Misty Minister]

Would you be referencing lust on the basis of non-Theists definition of that word or Theists?

ETA: Upon further reading, I see where you qualify it as anything not prohibited in Leviticus, but that would still be vague. Especially considering that this is a Christian forum and such a statement doesn't also consider Matt 5:28; which I see has been attempted to mock in the thread with a woman lusting after women misrepresentation.

There are many variations of Christianity. Look at my faith icon to get a clue as to my relationship to Leveticus. As I understand it, the Nazarines follow the old holyness code as well.

Matt statement is either sexist or he purposly excludes women from blame or is an error of some kind. You could , of course, inferr meanings from his words that you think should be there. If you do that you might start doing it other places and wind up with an argument as to whether Mary is the Mother of God or not.

 

[Misty Minister]

Can you really be in an attitude of prayer and lust normally at the same time?
That would be my measuring rod.

Are you in an attitude of prayer at all times? Be honest . Please do not tell us your answer.

 

[ChristianCenturion]

There are many variations of Christianity. Look at my faith icon to get a clue as to my relationship to Leveticus. As I understand it, the Nazarines follow the old holyness code as well.

True enough and in that sense, one does not have to be of a particular faith icon to have a holiness code that is in accordance with Leviticus.

Matt statement is either sexist or he purposly excludes women from blame or is an error of some kind.

Hmm... condemnation and judgment of a saint.
Opinion noted, but I am now wondering about the level of required arrogance or lack of humility involved in demanding someone or some thing be so exhaustively inclusive or thorough or else be guilty of accusations.
It would appear that some can hear and understand the intended instruction without it having to also list women, boys, girls, old, young, Jew, Greek, etc.

You could , of course, inferr meanings from his words that you think should be there. If you do that you might start doing it other places and wind up with an argument as to whether Mary is the Mother of God or not.

There is, of course, another option in that some may hear and understand and some hear but do not understand.

Job 38:36
Isaiah 6:9
Mat 13:14

 

[Misty Minister]

The ambiguities of the bible are covered in other threads.
The authors of Matthew a saint? How did they cram all of those people into one body? But that has been covered in OTHER THREADS.

He who does not understand ... multiple translations from different languages and multiple cultures some 2000 years old some 4000 years old some 600 years old.... and some are willing to guess at the meanings of unsaid things based on thier culture and current translation or mistranslation. Cmon Centaurian, you have better wasy to spend your time with a starting a flame war. I saw one of the ways you could spend time reading or singing to.

This thread was inspired by my reaction to people who seem to be quoting from the First Book Of Grandma, Chapter 9, verse 20.

Direct unambiguous scripture references are what I am looking for.

 

[KCDAD]

Are you in an attitude of prayer at all times? Be honest . Please do not tell us your answer.

Of course not... who is? My point is if you can be in an attitude of prayer and do it, it isn't sin.

 

[ChristianCenturion]

The ambiguities of the bible are covered in other threads.
The authors of Matthew a saint? How did they cram all of those people into one body? But that has been covered in OTHER THREADS.

He who does not understand ... multiple translations from different languages and multiple cultures some 2000 years old some 4000 years old some 600 years old.... and some are willing to guess at the meanings of unsaid things based on thier culture and current translation or mistranslation. Cmon Centaurian, you have better wasy to spend your time with a starting a flame war.

Flame war?
It would seem that not only is that ambiguous, multi-language, antiquated and culturally subjective text is enough to call some person named Paul sexist, ignorant and such, but it appears that simply mentioning that there are more options than what you listed is enough to accuse me of a flame war.
Use that report button next time, thanks.

I saw one of the ways you could spend time reading or singing to.

This thread was inspired by my reaction to people who seem to be quoting from the First Book Of Grandma, Chapter 9, verse 20.

Direct unambiguous scripture references are what I am looking for.

If you say so... but it would seem that it is SUCH a tall order when someone is presuming to be sole authority on what is or is not ambiguous and the text referenced is so... umm, flawed (inferred by your chosen wording)?

Somehow, I have my doubts as to the intent.

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

Can you really be in an attitude of prayer and lust normally at the same time?

Sure, when I pray for a woman to have an urge to take off her clothes.

 

[Misty Minister]

You are confusing me. But I have bad allergies today so....
Paul? I thought you were talking about the book of Matthew? I liked the string of words you put toghther though. Ah chew. I need antihystimines.

 

[ChristianCenturion]

You are confusing me. But I have bad allergies today so....
Paul? I thought you were talking about the book of Matthew? I liked the string of words you put toghther though. Ah chew. I need antihystimines.

Nah, I slipped on the name.
Perhaps due to the sexist accusation typically pointed at Paul or I was thread/site jumping too much.

Matthew would be the word intended there and not Paul.
Regardless, Matthew, the author of Matthew, or any other name desired to describe the reference accused of being sexist was the issue.

Spring time allergies... yep, fun stuff.
I deal with them too.

 

[rambot]

sorry to pull this discussion back on topid ;-)... and i'm too lazy to look:

I wonder if someone can ask a question.
What about men who don't "lust" after women; They don't think about having sex with them. They just think about what they'd look like naked.
Is there something wrong with daydreaming about nakkedness?
or thinking "whoa...nice butt?

 

[Miss Shelby]

What would you describe his dersire for his wifes sexuality as being?

A normal desire.

If I run across a clear cut Biblical example where sexual lust is described as a holy thing, I'll change my mind. Like I said, there is nothing lustful about Song of Solomon.

Michelle

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

What would you describe his dersire for his wifes sexuality as being?

A normal desire.

If I run across a clear cut Biblical example where sexual lust is described as a holy thing, I'll change my mind. Like I said, there is nothing lustful about Song of Solomon.

lust
n.

1. Intense or unrestrained sexual craving.

Uh, okay.

Please explain the difference between "intense or unrestrained sexual craving", "sexual lust", and "desire for his wifes sexuality".

In particular, why is it not lust if it is your wife? The word just means sexual craving, whether you think the craving is allowable or not.

 

[Miss Shelby]

jack rabbit, I am talking about the biblical usage of the word and you're talking about the definition from the dictionary. I don't think the two are necessarily the same. I have already said that there is nothing wrong with sexually desiring one's spouse. I personally choose not to use the word lust.

Michelle

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

So you basically have your own dialect of english? Makes communication with the outside world more difficult, doesn't it?