Is Normal Lust a sin? Scripture please.

[KCDAD]

What is the source for these statistics? I do not believe them at all.

Believe what you want to believe.

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

What does this have to do with the OP?

Nothing at all. It was a direct response to a post that was already off topic.

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

What is the source for these statistics? I do not believe them at all.

Believe what you want to believe.

In other words, you don't have a source. (Unbiased, please. No anti-porn or religious sites.)

 

[KCDAD]

In other words, you don't have a source. (Unbiased, please. No anti-porn or religious sites.)

http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~ad361896/anne/cease/rapestatisticspage.html
this one is just rape: http://www.azrapeprevention.org/stats/index.htm

How many sources do you need to convince you? What would be unbiased-only those yo agree with?

Here's another on rape only: http://www.rainn.org/statistics/vic...ml?PHPSESSID=3df43b58dbd07f97d1de0dc8d5b23d32
This one is worse:
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/svfacts.htm

Is there such a thing as a "pro-porn" site?

 

[kopilo]

I dare say a website that has commerical backing from a pornographic corporation might have a pro-porn agenda...

Back on topic... Normal lust as opposed to..? It was my understanding that lust is an unhealth sexual craving towards someone.

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~ad361896/anne/cease/rapestatisticspage.html

This is someone's private page at a university, not an official university page.

It doesn't say where the stats came from.

this one is just rape:
http://www.azrapeprevention.org/stats/index.htm

From this site: "According to the 1998 National Violence Against Women Survey the lifetime prevalence of rape among women is 17.6% and among men is 3.0% (using a definition of rape that includes forced vaginal, oral, and anal intercourse.)".

This is not 1 in 3, which would be 33.33 percent.

How many sources do you need to convince you? What would be unbiased-only those yo agree with?

No, that would be a bias in my direction.

Here's another on rape only: http://www.rainn.org/statistics/vic...ml?PHPSESSID=3df43b58dbd07f97d1de0dc8d5b23d32
This one is worse:
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/svfacts.htm

These last two are more what I would consider unbiased.

Note that the rainn site, like all except the first hysteria link, directly contradicts your "1 in 3" claim. It is 1 in 6, half what you state.

One out of every six American women have been the victims of an attempted or completed rape in their lifetime (14.8% completed rape; 2.8% attempted rape). This is according to the Prevalence, Incidence and Consequences of Violence Against Women Survey (PDF, 305KB), National Institute of Justice and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 1998.

Note that unlike the crusader site, a source is provided.

It was the 1 in 3 number that we were balking at, not that there are a lot of rapes.

Is there such a thing as a "pro-porn" site?

I wasn't asking for "pro-porn". That's a bias too. I was asking for unbiased. Anything coming from a anti-anything or pro-anything site is inherently biased.

 

[KCDAD]

This is someone's private page at a university, not an official university page.

It doesn't say where the stats came from.

From this site: "According to the 1998 National Violence Against Women Survey the lifetime prevalence of rape among women is 17.6% and among men is 3.0% (using a definition of rape that includes forced vaginal, oral, and anal intercourse.)".

This is not 1 in 3, which would be 33.33 percent.

No, that would be a bias in my direction.

These last two are more what I would consider unbiased.

Note that the rainn site, like all except the first hysteria link, directly contradicts your "1 in 3" claim. It is 1 in 6, half what you state.

Note that unlike the crusader site, a source is provided.

It was the 1 in 3 number that we were balking at, not that there are a lot of rapes.

I wasn't asking for "pro-porn". That's a bias too. I was asking for unbiased. Anything coming from a anti-anything or pro-anything site is inherently biased.

Those are rape statistics, not sexual assault. My uninformed guess would be there a lot more sexual assaults than rapes... seeing that rape is a subset of sexual assault and not vice versa.

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

Those are rape statistics, not sexual assault. My uninformed guess would be there a lot more sexual assaults than rapes... seeing that rape is a subset of sexual assault and not vice versa.

Okay. What is the unbiased source for the 1 in 3 number then?

 

[KCDAD]

Okay. What is the unbiased source for the 1 in 3 number then?

Apparently there is no unbiased source to please you. Just for the sake of argument let's say it's one out of six. Does that make you feel better? Does that make you want to go out and praise the virtues of sexual exploitation because 5 out 6 women aren't affected by it?

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

Apparently there is no unbiased source to please you.

So where did the number come from? Do you admit that the person who put up that web site just made it up?

The other number had unbiased sources.

Just for the sake of argument let's say it's one out of six. Does that make you feel better? Does that make you want to go out and praise the virtues of sexual exploitation because 5 out 6 women aren't affected by it?

What gave you that impression? My complaint was about exaggeration, not that the problem didn't exist.

Besides, this started out as a tirade against the adult industry. What percentage of these cases are directly attributable to the adult industry, as opposed to the entertainment industry or the advertising industry? Or society itself?

If people crusade against the adult industry and try to eliminate it, they should also be trying to eliminate advertising, movies, music videos, and television as well.

 

[KCDAD]

So where did the number come from? Do you admit that the person who put up that web site just made it up?

The other number had unbiased sources.

What gave you that impression? My complaint was about exaggeration, not that the problem didn't exist.

Besides, this started out as a tirade against the adult industry. What percentage of these cases are directly attributable to the adult industry, as opposed to the entertainment industry or the advertising industry? Or society itself?

If people crusade against the adult industry and try to eliminate it, they should also be trying to eliminate advertising, movies, music videos, and television as well.

Why would my opinion where that site got its statistics be relevant? I have seen that statistic more than once from other sources. Why quibble over numbers? Does it really matter whether it's 1 in 3 that are raped, or 1-3 that are sexually assaulted? Either way 1 in 3 women in this country are sexually exploited in a physical manner, dehumanized, abused, reduced to objects... however you feel comfortable characterizing it... at least half of which are raped (meaning penetrated) and the rest are just as traumatized. How many others are not physically assaulted but suffer this objectification in other ways?
How fascinating that you would argue the details and miss the meaning.

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

Why would my opinion where that site got its statistics be relevant? I have seen that statistic more than once from other sources. Why quibble over numbers? Does it really matter whether it's 1 in 3 that are raped, or 1-3 that are sexually assaulted? Either way 1 in 3 women in this country are sexually exploited in a physical manner, dehumanized, abused, reduced to objects... however you feel comfortable characterizing it... at least half of which are raped (meaning penetrated) and the rest are just as traumatized. How many others are not physically assaulted but suffer this objectification in other ways?
How fascinating that you would argue the details and miss the meaning.

Talking about missing the point, you ignored the last part of my post. Here it is again:

Besides, this started out as a tirade against the adult industry. What percentage of these cases are directly attributable to the adult industry, as opposed to the entertainment industry or the advertising industry? Or society itself?

If people crusade against the adult industry and try to eliminate it, they should also be trying to eliminate advertising, movies, music videos, and television as well.

 

[KCDAD]

Talking about missing the point, you ignored the last part of my post. Here it is again:

Besides, this started out as a tirade against the adult industry. What percentage of these cases are directly attributable to the adult industry, as opposed to the entertainment industry or the advertising industry? Or society itself?

If people crusade against the adult industry and try to eliminate it, they should also be trying to eliminate advertising, movies, music videos, and television as well.

Did you see the cover of Paxton Quigley's book, Armed and Dangerous?
http://www.christianforums.com/t525...5-of-the-worlds-prison-population.html&page=7

"One women out of three can expect to be sexually assaulted."

And you think the "adult entertainment" industry is somehow different than advertising and media in general?

Look at what Jean Kilbourne has to say about it: http://www.jeankilbourne.com/

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

And you think the "adult entertainment" industry is somehow different than advertising and media in general?

I don't think it is different. I think it is a business like they are. I think it should be treated the same way they are. I think that if one is blamed for the ills of society and attacked as a target for elimination, they all should be blamed and attacked and eliminated. If the adult industry should be scrapped, so should the advertising industry and entertainment industry. Or they should all be left alone on an equal basis.

 

[KCDAD]

I don't think it is different. I think it is a business like they are. I think it should be treated the same way they are. I think that if one is blamed for the ills of society and attacked as a target for elimination, they all should be blamed and attacked and eliminated. If the adult industry should be scrapped, so should the advertising industry and entertainment industry. Or they should all be left alone on an equal basis.

I am for that. advertising and the media are not regulated and get away with all sorts of lies and deceptions...