Is Nebuchadnezzar the Beast?

KrAZeD · Feb 21, 2015

precepts said:
I do not neglect scripture.

though it appears your not properly understanding the various tie ins with prophecy and reprocessions that were associated with this particular exile.

The true message could be lost in the interpretation because like I said before, if Nebuchadnezzar had accepted God, he would of freed the Jews.

daniel 4:33 The same hour was the thing fulfilled upon Nebuchadnezzar: and he was driven from men, and did eat grass as oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till his hairs were grown like eagles' feathers, and his nails like birds' claws.34 And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?36 At the same time my reason returned unto me; and for the glory of my kingdom, mine honour and brightness returned unto me; and my counsellers and my lords sought unto me; and I was established in my kingdom, and excellent majesty was added unto me.37 Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgment: and those that walk in pride he is able to abase.

can't get much clearer he repented and chose to start worshipping the Most High.

The reason he did not release the Jews was because it was not up to him, they were to finish out their punishment for not following their part of their covenant that was established in Sinai. Judah/Israel were to remain desolate for 70 years at which time God would bring them back to the land Jer 25:11; 29:10

You could argue that they did not have to remain "captives" and you might have a degree of a point but utilizing some rationale and logic, if they were to become free where would they attempt to go......? If you answer anything but back home from whence they came then frankly you underestimate the mentality of people. They were being spewed from their land as much as they were being humbled as servants/slaves for their and their forefathers transgressions against God.

God wanted them in Babylon until He was ready to do what was foretold- if you like He worked smart and "killed two birds with one stone.

precepts · Feb 21, 2015

KrAZeD said:
though it appears your not properly understanding the various tie ins with prophecy and reprocessions that were associated with this particular exile.

daniel 4:33 The same hour was the thing fulfilled upon Nebuchadnezzar: and he was driven from men, and did eat grass as oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till his hairs were grown like eagles' feathers, and his nails like birds' claws.34 And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?36 At the same time my reason returned unto me; and for the glory of my kingdom, mine honour and brightness returned unto me; and my counsellers and my lords sought unto me; and I was established in my kingdom, and excellent majesty was added unto me.37 Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgment: and those that walk in pride he is able to abase.

can't get much clearer he repented and chose to start worshipping the Most High.

The reason he did not release the Jews was because it was not up to him, they were to finish out their punishment for not following their part of their covenant that was established in Sinai. Judah/Israel were to remain desolate for 70 years at which time God would bring them back to the land Jer 25:11; 29:10

You could argue that they did not have to remain "captives" and you might have a degree of a point but utilizing some rationale and logic, if they were to become free where would they attempt to go......? If you answer anything but back home from whence they came then frankly you underestimate the mentality of people. They were being spewed from their land as much as they were being humbled as servants/slaves for their and their forefathers transgressions against God.

God wanted them in Babylon until He was ready to do what was foretold- if you like He worked smart and "killed two birds with one stone.

There's no way you could be saying this if you read the last post.

KrAZeD · Feb 21, 2015

precepts said:
There's no way you could be saying this if you read the last post.

nothing you have posted or said will override what scripture is saying of him choosing the Most High as the only true God and the reasons why Jews were not released to go back to Judah (home).

precepts said:
Not everything written in scripture is fact.

And that would explain why you can disagree with scripture saying something relatively clear.

As well as a "prophecy" given after the fact is no longer a "prophecy" it is history- as for revelation I think hardly anyone depicts it as containing events that are 400+ years in the past as a relevant thing to "watch" out for in the "future"- and for the other sides sake- "current" for that time.

precepts · Feb 22, 2015

KrAZeD said:
nothing you have posted or said will override what scripture is saying of him choosing the Most High as the only true God and the reasons why Jews were not released to go back to Judah (home).

what 3 points have i posted that contradicts and overrides Nebuchadnezzar repenting?

precepts:
Not everything written in scripture is fact.

KrAZeD said:
And that would explain why you can disagree with scripture saying something relatively clear.

which would explain your limited understanding on the matter and scripture. it's impossible to argue with anyone who thinks the scriptures are infallible or uncorrupted, proving their lack of knowledge of what's written.

KrAZeD said:
As well as a "prophecy" given after the fact is no longer a "prophecy" it is history

which has nothing to do with facts

KrAZeD said:
- as for revelation I think hardly anyone depicts it as containing events that are 400+ years in the past as a relevant thing to "watch" out for in the "future"

And once again your opinion has nothing to with the matter

KrAZeD said:
- and for the other sides sake- "current" for that time.

????

vinsight4u · Feb 22, 2015

toLiJC · Feb 22, 2015

the "horns" actually are not humans, but spirits, and it is about the things which the yogis and hindus call "chakras", there are seven main chakras, ten high which actually are the main seven plus three higher(8th, 9th and 10th), and (also) 11th and 12th, the leading "horn" in Daniel 7 is the sixth chakra where the occult process is concentrated, also known as "third eye" - the point between the eyebrows, that is why the number of the "beast" is six hundred threescore and six, so the ten chakras are basal, while the 11th and the 12th, which are the two "horns" of the so-called "other beast"(Rev. 13:11), come as a result of the (deep) occult process in the sixth chakra - they are the so-called "eyes" of the "little horn" in Daniel 7:8 which is the (deep) occult process in the sixth "horn"(chakra), all the 12 chakras are main devilish spirits - the spirits of the three main misleading manifestations of the "darkness" (the "dragon", the "beast" and the "other beast") known as "sat", "cit" and "ananda", therefore the so-called "yoga/meditation" is the greatest creed of the "darkness"

Blessings

Douggg · Feb 22, 2015

Precepts, you did not comprehend what I wrote concerning hell and the bottomless pit. Hell is not the bottomless pit. Jesus during the three days between the cross and the resurrection of his body, descended into hell, preached the gospel message and set the captives free.

vinsight4u · Feb 22, 2015

vinsight4u · Feb 22, 2015

precepts · Feb 22, 2015

vinsight4u said:
Nimrod is not going to be the little horn. It is impossible.
Jeremiah told us about a yoke. He also told Israel that
before this yoke goes on -all the previous yokes had already
been broken off of them. The little horn can't be a former
king that lived any earlier than Nebuchadnezzar ruled Babylon.

as - the yoke of iron
He went on the necks of the nations in the days of
Jeremiah.

Only a Babylonian king can be in power as a yoke -when
his yoke is broken at the time of Jacob's trouble.

The OT also shows that when the day of the Lord comes - the
very time of the Babylon land - Nebuchadnezzar or Belshazzar would
be in power.

the nations shall serve

him /Nebuchadnezzar
his son
his son's son
till the very time of his land come

Daniel wrote how Belshazzar knew the things similar to Nebuchadnezzar.
Nebuchadnezzar never gave up his fake gods. Even the little horn will not
worship or honor only one god. In his land he will honor others.

Nebuchadnezzar called Him the King of heaven - didn't say - the earth.
Look at what Darius said after Daniel was in the den with lions.

Daniel 6
the God of Daniel
the living God

Look at Daniel 4, hunting for the words the king called - my god.
The king wrote to the people and called them - reputed as nothing.
The king of Babylon's pride was not broken. He did not stop walking
in pride.

Daniel 4:8
"...the name of my god..."

There are two little horns mentioned in scripture, and they are not the same. One is Greek and the other Roman. The greek little horn causes the abomination of desolation in Dan 8 & 11; and the roman little horn is the "false prophet" in Dan 7:8, and is Revelation's 2nd beast.

precepts · Feb 22, 2015

Douggg said:
Precepts, you did not comprehend what I wrote concerning hell and the bottomless pit. Hell is not the bottomless pit. Jesus during the three days between the cross and the resurrection of his body, descended into hell, preached the gospel message and set the captives free.

First of all, there's no life after death. That verse is a fabrication.

Secondly:

Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
=========================
Eze 31:16 I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.

They are many words and definition for hell, and the bottomless pit apparently is one. Plus, you didn't answer the question concering the Assyrian. Who is it that's brought down to hell? to the bottomless pit?

precepts · Feb 22, 2015

toLiJC said:
the "horns" actually are not humans, but spirits, and it is about the things which the yogis and hindus call "chakras", there are seven main chakras, ten high which actually are the main seven plus three higher(8th, 9th and 10th), and (also) 11th and 12th, the leading "horn" in Daniel 7 is the sixth chakra where the occult process is concentrated, also known as "third eye" - the point between the eyebrows, that is why the number of the "beast" is six hundred threescore and six, so the ten chakras are basal, while the 11th and the 12th, which are the two "horns" of the so-called "other beast"(Rev. 13:11), come as a result of the (deep) occult process in the sixth chakra - they are the so-called "eyes" of the "little horn" in Daniel 7:8 which is the (deep) occult process in the sixth "horn"(chakra), all the 12 chakras are main devilish spirits - the spirits of the three main misleading manifestations of the "darkness" (the "dragon", the "beast" and the "other beast") known as "sat", "cit" and "ananda", therefore the so-called "yoga/meditation" is the greatest creed of the "darkness"

Blessings

You are adding to scripture. Daniel identifies his horns as kings. The goat's great horn broken, of which came up four, and the little horn coming up among them were men, kings, and not kingdoms.

Choose Wisely · Feb 22, 2015

precepts said:
There are two little horns mentioned in scripture, and they are not the same. One is Greek and the other Roman. The greek little horn causes the abomination of desolation in Dan 8 & 11; and the roman little horn is the "false prophet" in Dan 7:8, and is Revelation's 2nd beast.

What verses tell you that the little horn is the 2nd beast?

vinsight4u · Feb 22, 2015

vinsight4u · Feb 22, 2015

precepts · Feb 22, 2015

Choose Wisely said:
What verses tell you that the little horn is the 2nd beast?

Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Which, naturally, is the lake of fire.

toLiJC · Feb 22, 2015

vinsight4u said:
It does not say that the king repented.
Go back and take some time to see that before the king
was made into a beast he was told to gain three things.
It was intended for the king to get one more thing after
being a beast. What was it?

that he was the lowest of men

Daniel 4:17
"....and giveth it to whomsover he will, and setteth up
over it the basest of men."

Daniel then posts this phrase of intents over and over
in this chapter and even in chapter 5 (see it missing?), yet Daniel never
listed the king as getting that fact admitted by him as he
is the lowest of men.

better don't continue to try making out a "king of kings"(Ezekiel 26:7, Daniel 2:37), i.e. called "israelite" as an order of God, most sinful, especially after the Lord God Himself called him "My servant"(Jeremiah 25:9), the case of Nebuchadrezzar was that he really committed unrighteousness at first, but he had a consciousness and a conscience to be careful not to sin constantly, but to repent of his unrighteousness in case he understood (that) there is some/such, for example the case of the three prophets of the true God(Daniel 3) when he had made some "image" of worship, which he made very carefully by trying to be very earnest so that he might not make something unclean as an aspect of the spiritual/religious "image", because he preferred to participate in the God's work by setting some strong (spiritual/religious) rules/regulations (in the faith) so that the people might not commit iniquity/bring abomination in the holy place, for exactly the spiritual iniquity is the original sin, the very sin, and even the only, and when the three prophets glorified their(the true) God, he, already seeing/understanding that the true Lord God is much more worthy than his "image", had repented of his unrighteousness instantly, moreover it is seen how he made that mistake just because of ignorance, not intentionally, because he instantly noticed and said: "Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king's word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God. Therefore I make a decree, That every people, nation, and language, which speak any thing amiss against the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, shall be cut in pieces, and their houses shall be made a dunghill: because there is no other God that can deliver after this sort. Then the king promoted Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, in the province of Babylon."(Daniel 3:28-30), so, here is how Nebuchadrezzar was actually righteous, but committed unrighteousness just because of ignorance, the case of his expulsion is also similar, because he still thought he is the one who had made great things for the kingdom when everything good is owing to the true Lord God(James 1:17), that is why he had been driven away by the God's will so that his expulsion might serve as an example for the next generations in future (because see how many people read the Bible now in these times), but it is written that he had repented after(Daniel 4:34-37), so, better do not vilify a person about whom it is written he was a "king of kings" i.e. "israelite" as an order of God

Blessings

toLiJC · Feb 22, 2015

precepts said:
You are adding to scripture. Daniel identifies his horns as kings. The goat's great horn broken, of which came up four, and the little horn coming up among them, were men, kings, and not kingdoms.

yes, there had been also angels of satan, as it is even now, who originally were ordinary humans, but after they have become angels of satan through the process of the so-called yoga of krishna who also was an ordinary human about 5 millennia ago, but has also become a very great angel of satan through all that deep and systematic process of occultism, so, such persons are (as it were) (the) kings of the "beast" and "babylon the great" which is the system/kingdom of the human(666) religion/spirituality and (the) spiritual iniquity

the four "beasts/horns" are the four main human activities and iniquities: the spiritual, the intellectual/mental, the economic, and the physical, and they are presented in reverse order (in Daniel 7) according to their visibility, because the physical iniquity is the most noticeable, for the physical wars and crimes/misdoings are the most observable, then it is the economic iniquity which is a little more indiscernible, then there is the intellectual/mental iniquity in this regard, because it is done to a great extent in the thought, and then there is the spiritual iniquity which is the most invisible, because it is done spiritually, and, as it was said before in this thread, the "little horn" is the very process of the human(666) religion and spiritual iniquity either in the form of meditation, faith, spirituality, or another, that is why it is written that the "little horn" is followed by many people/humans..., because there were many unrighteous worshipers/clerics till now, but the spiritual iniquity is the cause and the source of all other iniquities, that is why it is written that (the) four "horns" came (up) from the little one...

Blessings

Choose Wisely · Feb 22, 2015

precepts said:
Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Which, naturally, is the lake of fire.

How do you use that to identify the second beast and not the first beast?

Choose Wisely · Feb 22, 2015

vinsight4u said:
The yoke of Babylon is still on the nations.
It is still on Israel until the time of Jacob's trouble comes.
Nimrod, nor even other person from before the days of Jeremiah, cannot
be the little horn. There are no yokes on the world left from before the
days of Babylon under Nebuchadnezzar II.

The thing that has been is that which shall be and that which is done it that which shall be done.......

The beast is Nimrod.....by way of Tammuz/Horus. Tammuz is the son of perdition and the false savior which comes out of the pit. He is the reincarnation of Nimrod. The fir trees will rejoice when he is laid down.

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