Is Nebuchadnezzar the Beast?

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If you believe Nebuchadnezzar was one of the kings of Israel you'll believe anything.

Daniel 5:18-21 "O thou king, the most high God gave Nebuchadnezzar thy father a kingdom, and majesty, and glory, and honour: And for the majesty that he gave him, all people, nations, and languages, trembled and feared before him: whom he would he slew; and whom he would he kept alive; and whom he would he set up; and whom he would he put down. But when his heart was lifted up, and his mind hardened in pride, he was deposed from his kingly throne, and they took his glory from him: And he was driven from the sons of men; and his heart was made like the beasts, and his dwelling was with the wild asses: they fed him with grass like oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven; till he knew that the most high God ruled in the kingdom of men, and that he appointeth over it whomsoever he will."

he had committed unrighteousness for some time, but then he had repented

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Daniel 5:18-21 "O thou king, the most high God gave Nebuchadnezzar thy father a kingdom, and majesty, and glory, and honour: And for the majesty that he gave him, all people, nations, and languages, trembled and feared before him: whom he would he slew; and whom he would he kept alive; and whom he would he set up; and whom he would he put down. But when his heart was lifted up, and his mind hardened in pride, he was deposed from his kingly throne, and they took his glory from him: And he was driven from the sons of men; and his heart was made like the beasts, and his dwelling was with the wild asses: they fed him with grass like oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven; till he knew that the most high God ruled in the kingdom of men, and that he appointeth over it whomsoever he will."

he had committed unrighteousness for some time, but then he had repented

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Who is Isa 14 addressing?

Isa 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!
Isa 14:5 The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers
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Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
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Just because both chapters mention trees being cut down doesn't mean they're talking about the same thing. Jer 10's context is about vain customs and Israel's desolation because of them, mentioning them being carried away by Nebuchadnezzar, but the trees being cut down for idols have nothing to do with the trees being cut down in Isa 14. Isa 14's trees aren't cut down for idol purposes. Check the fact.




How do you expect me to believe Isa 14 and Jer 10 haven't happened yet when they're partly about physical Israel's fall and restoration by and after Babylon's fall? Isa 14's reference to the King of Babylon and Satan as being the same person should be a clue as to where this takes place in scripture, the other half of the Isa 14's prophecy, because Jer 10 is all about Israel being carried away for idolatry, a past event. You're taking scriptures out of context.




How can trees not being fell for idols in Isa 14 and trees fell for idols in Jer 10 tell who the king of Babylon is more than Isa 14's account of Satan being bound in the bottomless pit in a reference to the fall of the King of Babylon who is being punished for abusing the world? Isa 14 clearly proves Nebuchadnezzar is the Beast in Revelation, the 8th king, the head of gold, the 8th floor added to the tower of Babel.




Which has nothing to do with the trees in Isa 14.



That has nothing to do with Isa 14. That's the point.

I know what you're referring to, and yes it does represent "Jupiter," "Zeus," etc, but Nebuchadnezzar, the Beast, represents Mercury, Apollo.

Check greek and roman mythology.


Jer 10
3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.


How is it that you cannot understand that these verses are referring to the Christmas tree being cut down and decorated. If you believe the Christmas tree has anything to do with Christ you are mistaken.

From the time of Nimrod and Tammuz the evergreen tree has been cut down to symbolize the reincarnation of Nimrod. Tammuz was considered the reincarnation of Nimrod. After Nimrod was killed his mother-wife claimed that he became god the SUN and then later claimed to be impregnated by a ray of the sun. Tammuz was born having a god for a father. Story sound familiar? When Tammuz was killed by a wild boar some blood fell on a stump and it was claimed that overnight an evergreen tree grew up symbolizing the reincarnation of Nimrod.

From that time the evergreen tree has been cut down and decorated. This is the Christmas tree that is decorated today.

So Isaiah 14 says:

Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

This means when NIMROD (the beast who was, and is not and yet is) comes again.......he will be dealt with by God. When Nimrod is laid down the fir trees will rejoice because no one will be cutting down evergreen trees any more because of the custom that was occurring since the death of Tammuz. Also Nimrod cut down the Cedars of Lebanon to build his city. His throne was made from a giant cedar.

Nimrod was the first king of Babylon and the king of Assyria. That is why he is also the Assyrian. Nimrod is the king being spoken of in Isaiah 14.

These are FACTS.
 
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Who is Isa 14 addressing?


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Ezekiel 28:12-19 "Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.",

Ezekiel 26:1-21 "And it came to pass in the eleventh year, in the first day of the month, that the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, because that Tyrus hath said against Jerusalem, Aha, she is broken that was the gates of the people: she is turned unto me: I shall be replenished, now she is laid waste: Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Tyrus, and will cause many nations to come up against thee, as the sea causeth his waves to come up. And they shall destroy the walls of Tyrus, and break down her towers: I will also scrape her dust from her, and make her like the top of a rock. It shall be a place for the spreading of nets in the midst of the sea: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD: and it shall become a spoil to the nations. And her daughters which are in the field shall be slain by the sword; and they shall know that I am the LORD. For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will bring upon Tyrus Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, a king of kings, from the north, with horses, and with chariots, and with horsemen, and companies, and much people. He shall slay with the sword thy daughters in the field: and he shall make a fort against thee, and cast a mount against thee, and lift up the buckler against thee. And he shall set engines of war against thy walls, and with his axes he shall break down thy towers. By reason of the abundance of his horses their dust shall cover thee: thy walls shall shake at the noise of the horsemen, and of the wheels, and of the chariots, when he shall enter into thy gates, as men enter into a city wherein is made a breach. With the hoofs of his horses shall he tread down all thy streets: he shall slay thy people by the sword, and thy strong garrisons shall go down to the ground. And they shall make a spoil of thy riches, and make a prey of thy merchandise: and they shall break down thy walls, and destroy thy pleasant houses: and they shall lay thy stones and thy timber and thy dust in the midst of the water. And I will cause the noise of thy songs to cease; and the sound of thy harps shall be no more heard. And I will make thee like the top of a rock: thou shalt be a place to spread nets upon; thou shalt be built no more: for I the LORD have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD. Thus saith the Lord GOD to Tyrus; Shall not the isles shake at the sound of thy fall, when the wounded cry, when the slaughter is made in the midst of thee? Then all the princes of the sea shall come down from their thrones, and lay away their robes, and put off their broidered garments: they shall clothe themselves with trembling; they shall sit upon the ground, and shall tremble at every moment, and be astonished at thee. And they shall take up a lamentation for thee, and say to thee, How art thou destroyed, that wast inhabited of seafaring men, the renowned city, which wast strong in the sea, she and her inhabitants, which cause their terror to be on all that haunt it! Now shall the isles tremble in the day of thy fall; yea, the isles that are in the sea shall be troubled at thy departure. For thus saith the Lord GOD; When I shall make thee a desolate city, like the cities that are not inhabited; when I shall bring up the deep upon thee, and great waters shall cover thee; When I shall bring thee down with them that descend into the pit, with the people of old time, and shall set thee in the low parts of the earth, in places desolate of old, with them that go down to the pit, that thou be not inhabited; and I shall set glory in the land of the living; I will make thee a terror, and thou shalt be no more: though thou be sought for, yet shalt thou never be found again, saith the Lord GOD."

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Jer 10
3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.


How is it that you cannot understand that these verses are referring to the Christmas tree being cut down and decorated. If you believe the Christmas tree has anything to do with Christ you are mistaken.
I keep telling you I know all that, but it doesn't have anything to do with Isa 14's trees being cut down. The trees in Isa 14 has nothing to do with idol worship. Why can't you understand that?




From the time of Nimrod and Tammuz the evergreen tree has been cut down to symbolize the reincarnation of Nimrod. Tammuz was considered the reincarnation of Nimrod. After Nimrod was killed his mother-wife claimed that he became god the SUN and then later claimed to be impregnated by a ray of the sun. Tammuz was born having a god for a father. Story sound familiar? When Tammuz was killed by a wild boar some blood fell on a stump and it was claimed that overnight an evergreen tree grew up symbolizing the reincarnation of Nimrod.

From that time the evergreen tree has been cut down and decorated. This is the Christmas tree that is decorated today.

So Isaiah 14 says:

Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.
There's nothing in that verse that implies they were cut down for idol making. They were cut down to build devices for war, etc.



This means when NIMROD (the beast who was, and is not and yet is) comes again.......he will be dealt with by God.
You are telling me what it means because there's no way anyone can determine that by what's written. There's no logic to your conclusion, no proof, no evidence. You are simply guessing.



When Nimrod is laid down the fir trees will rejoice because no one will be cutting down evergreen trees any more because of the custom that was occurring since the death of Tammuz. Also Nimrod cut down the Cedars of Lebanon to build his city. His throne was made from a giant cedar.
An untruth is a lie. You are adding to scripture. Nowhere in the world could it be found that Nimrod built his cities with Cedars. Instead the tower of Babel was built with bricks.

It should be against forum rules to post unheard of and unfactual doctrines.



Nimrod was the first king of Babylon and the king of Assyria. That is why he is also the Assyrian. Nimrod is the king being spoken of in Isaiah 14.

These are FACTS.
These are your opinions. You can't provide one shred of evidence proving anything you've said. You would be laughed out of a court of law.

The timeline of Isa 14 is in the time of Assyria's carrying off of the 10 tribes of Israel. The reference to the King of Babylon in Isa 14 was future tense because God knew the Assyrian King Sennacherib was the Beast who would later become Nebuchadnezzar.

Plus, Nimrod was not the king of Assyria. He never built Assyria or Nineveh, Asshur did:

Gen 10:8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.
Gen 10:9 He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD.
Gen 10:10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.
Gen 10:11 Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah,
Gen 10:12 And Resen between Nineveh and Calah: the same is a great city.
Now that I have established that fact, let's see how the story goes.


The context of Isa 14 is in the days of King Sennacherib of Assyria, a city not built by Nimrod.
2Ki 19:20 Then Isaiah the son of Amoz sent to Hezekiah, saying, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, That which thou hast prayed to me against Sennacherib king of Assyria I have heard.
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2Ki 19:22 Whom hast thou reproached and blasphemed? and against whom hast thou exalted thy voice, and lifted up thine eyes on high? even against the Holy One of Israel.
2Ki 19:23 By thy messengers thou hast reproached the Lord, and hast said, With the multitude of my chariots I am come up to the height of the mountains, to the sides of Lebanon, and will cut down the tall cedar trees thereof, and the choice fir trees thereof: and I will enter into the lodgings of his borders, and into the forest of his Carmel.
Which has nothing to do with trees being cut down for idols. They were cut down for other reasons, but I know where you're coming from and will post the verses you're equating with Nimrod.


2Ki 19:35 And it came to pass that night, that the angel of the LORD went out, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses.
2Ki 19:36 So Sennacherib king of Assyria departed, and went and returned, and dwelt at Nineveh.
Proof the Assyrian dwelt at Nineveh if you don't believe Assyria was built by Asshur since the text doesn't specifically mention Assyria, but it does specifically mention Nineveh being built by Asshur.


Eze 31:2 Son of man, speak unto Pharaoh king of Egypt, and to his multitude; Whom art thou like in thy greatness?
Eze 31:3 Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs.
Eze 31:4 The waters made him great, the deep set him up on high with her rivers running round about his plants, and sent out her little rivers unto all the trees of the field.
Eze 31:5 Therefore his height was exalted above all the trees of the field, and his boughs were multiplied, and his branches became long because of the multitude of waters, when he shot forth.
Eze 31:6 All the fowls of heaven made their nests in his boughs, and under his branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young, and under his shadow dwelt all great nations.
Sounds familiar? Sounds like Nebuchadnezzar in Daniel's prophecy of the tall tree chopped down for it's great heights.



Eze 31:15 Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day when he went down to the grave I caused a mourning: I covered the deep for him, and I restrained the floods thereof, and the great waters were stayed: and I caused Lebanon to mourn for him, and all the trees of the field fainted for him.
Eze 31:16 I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.
Now, in these verses the trees aren't really trees, but persons. Note the similarities to the Beast being considered as Satan at Satan's bottomless pit stay, just like Isa 14.


You could say, and I know, Nimrod (Jupiter) is represented by the Christmas tree, but the Beast has to also of been because he does not represent Jupiter. He represents Mercury, Apollo, the son of Jupiter, thus the anti-christ. To prove this, in your explanation of Tammuz being the reincarnated Nimrod, Nimrod stills represents the father god figure, Zeus. Apollo represents the son of Zeus, thus the antichrist. The mythological god trinity is Zeus the father and Apollo the son. Plus, Nimrod was never the king of Assyria, nor did he build it.
 
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read here:

Ezekiel 28:12-19 "Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.",

Ezekiel 26:1-21 "And it came to pass in the eleventh year, in the first day of the month, that the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, because that Tyrus hath said against Jerusalem, Aha, she is broken that was the gates of the people: she is turned unto me: I shall be replenished, now she is laid waste: Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Tyrus, and will cause many nations to come up against thee, as the sea causeth his waves to come up. And they shall destroy the walls of Tyrus, and break down her towers: I will also scrape her dust from her, and make her like the top of a rock. It shall be a place for the spreading of nets in the midst of the sea: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD: and it shall become a spoil to the nations. And her daughters which are in the field shall be slain by the sword; and they shall know that I am the LORD. For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will bring upon Tyrus Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, a king of kings, from the north, with horses, and with chariots, and with horsemen, and companies, and much people. He shall slay with the sword thy daughters in the field: and he shall make a fort against thee, and cast a mount against thee, and lift up the buckler against thee. And he shall set engines of war against thy walls, and with his axes he shall break down thy towers. By reason of the abundance of his horses their dust shall cover thee: thy walls shall shake at the noise of the horsemen, and of the wheels, and of the chariots, when he shall enter into thy gates, as men enter into a city wherein is made a breach. With the hoofs of his horses shall he tread down all thy streets: he shall slay thy people by the sword, and thy strong garrisons shall go down to the ground. And they shall make a spoil of thy riches, and make a prey of thy merchandise: and they shall break down thy walls, and destroy thy pleasant houses: and they shall lay thy stones and thy timber and thy dust in the midst of the water. And I will cause the noise of thy songs to cease; and the sound of thy harps shall be no more heard. And I will make thee like the top of a rock: thou shalt be a place to spread nets upon; thou shalt be built no more: for I the LORD have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD. Thus saith the Lord GOD to Tyrus; Shall not the isles shake at the sound of thy fall, when the wounded cry, when the slaughter is made in the midst of thee? Then all the princes of the sea shall come down from their thrones, and lay away their robes, and put off their broidered garments: they shall clothe themselves with trembling; they shall sit upon the ground, and shall tremble at every moment, and be astonished at thee. And they shall take up a lamentation for thee, and say to thee, How art thou destroyed, that wast inhabited of seafaring men, the renowned city, which wast strong in the sea, she and her inhabitants, which cause their terror to be on all that haunt it! Now shall the isles tremble in the day of thy fall; yea, the isles that are in the sea shall be troubled at thy departure. For thus saith the Lord GOD; When I shall make thee a desolate city, like the cities that are not inhabited; when I shall bring up the deep upon thee, and great waters shall cover thee; When I shall bring thee down with them that descend into the pit, with the people of old time, and shall set thee in the low parts of the earth, in places desolate of old, with them that go down to the pit, that thou be not inhabited; and I shall set glory in the land of the living; I will make thee a terror, and thou shalt be no more: though thou be sought for, yet shalt thou never be found again, saith the Lord GOD."

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What does this have to do with Isa 14? Nothing, other than it's calling the King of Cyrus Satan, and I never said Satan was Nebuchadnezzar. I said Isa 14 speaks of the fall of the King of Babylon as he and Satan being one when Satan's bound in the bottomless pit at his fall. That's what Isa 14 is saying. A fact that only happens in Revelation, proving the Beast in Revelation is Nebuchadnezzar, along with the other proofs I posted in the OP.

Your verses have nothing to do with Isa 14.
 
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What does this have to do with Isa 14? Nothing, other than it's calling the King of Cyrus Satan, and I never said Satan was Nebuchadnezzar. I said Isa 14 speaks of the fall of the King of Babylon as he and Satan being one when Satan's bound in the bottomless pit at his fall. That's what Isa 14 is saying. A fact that only happens in Revelation, proving the Beast in Revelation is Nebuchadnezzar, along with the other proofs I posted in the OP.

Your verses have nothing to do with Isa 14.

the problem with you is that you try to adjust deeply figurative prophecies according to some your outward/literal interpretation/belief, firstly, what is "babylon"?!, babylon is the human kingdom which being situated under the sin could be normal/good or iniquitous/evil, for example the infidel/non-occult people do not commit spiritual iniquity which is a central theme in the biblical scriptures, because exactly the spiritual is the central theme therein, therefore they have not been shown as evil "kings of babylon" therein, but if someone committed spiritual iniquity throughout its life exercising a king's power, then such a person can be found as an evil "king of babylon" in the biblical scriptures, because when the human(i.e. the things which are not of God) is imported and systematized in the holy place, then it is certainly an abomination therein (remember the so-called "abomination" that brings desolation standing in the holy place spoken of by Daniel the prophet, the prophet who talks about the babylonian kingdom and its kings), because exactly the spiritual iniquity is the original sin, the very sin, and even the only, from the other hand, each soul had previously been in the Paradise of eternal life, but then many turned out to be fallen after the end of the previous eternity(-ies) and the beginning of the next/present, even because of their iniquity from before, not that the meaning of those warnings to the "king of babylon" is not for now, but one such an evil king is kind of nothing compared to thousands/millions of other such, that is why those prophecies are rather about the spiritual than something outward, and therefore they are called prophecies, because according to the biblical terms, prophecy is some testimony/explanation for the spiritual things, also, pay attention how king Nebuchadnezzar is not shown as most unrighteous in the books of the old testament considering the fact that he had repented of his unrighteousness/iniquity, but, as it is shown there, there were much worse kings of babylon, moreover the so-called "horns", "times", "heads", etc., as in Revelation 17, are some spiritual things such as certain devilish spirits and so on, here is one example of what is there in the deep of the biblical words:

Isaiah 14:12 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer(i.e. o soul), son of the morning(i.e. son of (the) everlasting life)! how art thou cut down to the ground(i.e. how you fell from the paradise of (the) everlasting life), which didst weaken the nations(i.e. you that had the love with all other souls)!",

Ezekiel 28:16-17 "By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned(i.e. because of the depletion of the variations of the good all souls turned out to be without the paradise of (the) everlasting life, because they fell from the grace in the end of the eternity): therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God(i.e. therefore the divine mechanism sweep you away down): and I will destroy thee(i.e. and you fall into the "darkness"), O covering cherub(i.e. o user of the everlasting life), from the midst of the stones of fire(i.e. from the place where the aspects of the Holy grace/bliss possess eternally). Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty(i.e. your heart was raised (up) into the paradise of (the) everlasting life so as your true glory to be completely and permanently expressed), thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness(i.e. but your perfection is over because of the depletion of the variations of the good): I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee(i.e. the divine mechanism of the eternity's rotation brings you down, and then you turn out to be before the Holy Angels so that They (might) look after you)."

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the problem with you is that you try to adjust deeply figurative prophecies according to some your outward/literal interpretation/belief,
talk is cheap, for example?



firstly, what is "babylon"?!, babylon is the human kingdom which being situated under the sin could be normal/good or iniquitous/evil, for example the infidel/non-occult people do not commit spiritual iniquity which is a central theme in the biblical scriptures, because exactly the spiritual is the central theme therein, therefore they have not been shown as evil "kings of babylon" therein, but if someone committed spiritual iniquity throughout its life exercising a king's power, then such a person can be found as an evil "king of babylon" in the biblical scriptures, because when the human(i.e. the things which are not of God) is imported and systematized in the holy place, then it is certainly an abomination therein (remember the so-called "abomination" that brings desolation standing in the holy place spoken of by Daniel the prophet, the prophet who talks about the babylonian kingdom and its kings), because exactly the spiritual iniquity is the original sin, the very sin, and even the only, from the other hand, each soul had previously been in the Paradise of eternal life, but then many turned out to be fallen after the end of the previous eternity(-ies) and the beginning of the next/present, even because of their iniquity from before, not that the meaning of those warnings to the "king of babylon" is not for now, but one such an evil king is kind of nothing compared to thousands/millions of other such, that is why those prophecies are rather about the spiritual than something outward, and therefore they are called prophecies, because according to the biblical terms, prophecy is some testimony/explanation for the spiritual things,
this is "Babylon," ladies and gentlemen! and he says that I adjust "deeply figurative" prophecies to my "outward/literal interpretation/belief."



also, pay attention how king Nebuchadnezzar is not shown as most unrighteous in the books of the old testament considering the fact that he had repented of his unrighteousness/iniquity, but, as it is shown there, there were much worse kings of babylon, moreover the so-called "horns", "times", "heads", etc., as in Revelation 17, are some spiritual things such as certain devilish spirits and so on,
half truths are untruths friend




here is one example of what is there in the deep of the biblical words:

Isaiah 14:12 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer(i.e. o soul), son of the morning(i.e. son of (the) everlasting life)! how art thou cut down to the ground(i.e. how you fell from the paradise of (the) everlasting life), which didst weaken the nations(i.e. you that had the love with all other souls)!",

Ezekiel 28:16-17 "By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned(i.e. because of the depletion of the variations of the good all souls turned out to be without the paradise of (the) everlasting life, because they fell from the grace in the end of the eternity): therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God(i.e. therefore the divine mechanism sweep you away down): and I will destroy thee(i.e. and you fall into the "darkness"), O covering cherub(i.e. o user of the everlasting life), from the midst of the stones of fire(i.e. from the place where the aspects of the Holy grace/bliss possess eternally). Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty(i.e. your heart was raised (up) into the paradise of (the) everlasting life so as your true glory to be completely and permanently expressed), thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness(i.e. but your perfection is over because of the depletion of the variations of the good): I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee(i.e. the divine mechanism of the eternity's rotation brings you down, and then you turn out to be before the Holy Angels so that They (might) look after you)."

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once again i ask what does this have to do isa 14?
 
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talk is cheap, for example?

this is "Babylon," ladies and gentlemen! and he says that I adjust "deeply figurative" prophecies to my "outward/literal interpretation/belief."

half truths are untruths friend

once again i ask what does this have to do isa 14?

a half truth is not an untruth if it is not mixed with falsehood, but God knows who distort the truth or mix it with falsehood

Ezekiel 28 definitely has something to do with Isaiah 14, even because the names do not matter when it comes to the eternal judgment, for, as Solomon said, all souls have one destiny which is due to the consecutive equalization through the circle of the eternity(Ecclesiastes 2:14, 3:19, 9:2-3) - a human needs to exercise right faith so that it might understand these things

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a half truth is not an untruth if it is not mixed with falsehood, but God knows who distort the truth or mix it with falsehood

Ezekiel 28 definitely has something to do with Isaiah 14, even because the names do not matter when it comes to the eternal judgment, for, as Solomon said, all souls have one destiny which is due to the consecutive equalization through the circle of the eternity(Ecclesiastes 2:14, 3:19, 9:2-3) - a human needs to exercise right faith so that it might understand these things

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eze 28 definitely has something to do with Isa 14 but you can't tell where :thumbsup:
 
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eze 28 definitely has something to do with Isa 14 but you can't tell where :thumbsup:

it was already explained, but you did not understand, because, as it was already said before, a man needs exercising the faith right(ly) so that it might understand these things, everything in the biblical scriptures are based on the so-called doctrine of eternal judgment(Hebrews 6:2), or as the Lord says:

Matthew 7:1-12 "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again..... If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him? Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."

just pay attention that, despite He says in the previous chapter how God will forgive the sins of the clerics who forgive the sins of the others(Mat 6:14-15), He says in the next(7th) chapter how (nevertheless) the sins will not be forgiven in the long(est) run of the infinite circle of the eternity, because the verbs "κριθήσεσθε" and "ἀντιμετρηθήσεται", which also serve as adverbs, mean that the man will nevertheless be judged and measured in exactly the same way/manner according to his former deeds(treatment), i.e. regardless of whether or not his sins are forgiven, that is why all is in the contribution to the overall salvation in Him, because if we always contribute to the true salvation for the others, then we will also be saved in exactly the same way during the respective subsequent eternities when each of us will inevitably be in the place of any other

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I keep telling you I know all that, but it doesn't have anything to do with Isa 14's trees being cut down. The trees in Isa 14 has nothing to do with idol worship. Why can't you understand that?

I'm not quite sure why you don't understand that there are millions and millions of Christmas trees cut down every year. When Nimrod is laid down......there will be no more Christmas trees cut down. The fir trees will rejoice.


There's nothing in that verse that implies they were cut down for idol making. They were cut down to build devices for war, etc.
An untruth is a lie. You are adding to scripture.


You are telling me what it means because there's no way anyone can determine that by what's written. There's no logic to your conclusion, no proof, no evidence. You are simply guessing.

I know that millions and millions of fir trees are cut down every year and I know that when Nimrod...the King of Babylon is laid down this will cease and the fir trees will rejoice. If you can possibly figure out how this applies Nebuchadnezzar, I'm all ears.

These are your opinions. You can't provide one shred of evidence proving anything you've said. You would be laughed out of a court of law.
LOL. The Christmas tree represents the reincarnation of Nimrod. There are millions of fir trees cut down every year. That seems proof enough as I see no way the fir rejoicing has anything whatsoever to do with Nebuchadnezzar. The fact that you can't face facts is the issue here.

The timeline of Isa 14 is in the time of Assyria's carrying off of the 10 tribes of Israel. The reference to the King of Babylon in Isa 14 was future tense because God knew the Assyrian King Sennacherib was the Beast who would later become Nebuchadnezzar.
The beast is Nimrod...who was and is and is too come.

Plus, Nimrod was not the king of Assyria. He never built Assyria or Nineveh, Asshur did:

Now that I have established that fact, let's see how the story goes.

No problem.

Gen 10
8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.

9 He was a mighty hunter before the Lord: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the Lord.

10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.

11 Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah,


The Asshur spoken of in Gen 10:11 is not Shems son, it is Nimrod. Can we prove that?.......Certainly.

Isaiah 26
11 He stretched out his hand over the sea, he shook the kingdoms: the Lord hath given a commandment against the merchant city, to destroy the strong holds thereof.

12 And he said, Thou shalt no more rejoice, O thou oppressed virgin, daughter of Zidon: arise, pass over to Chittim; there also shalt thou have no rest.

13 Behold the land of the Chaldeans; this people was not, till the Assyrian founded it for them that dwell in the wilderness: they set up the towers thereof, they raised up the palaces thereof; and he brought it to ruin.


Gen 10 says the beginning of Nimrods kingdom was Babel in the land of Shinar. We know that Babylon is the land of the Chaldeans (Jer 50 and 51). And yet in Isaiah 26 we see that the land of the Chaldeans was not until the Assyrian founded it. As we see, Nimrod is the Assyrian as proved by scripture.

Now that I have established that fact, let's see how the story goes.


Proof the Assyrian dwelt at Nineveh if you don't believe Assyria was built by Asshur since the text doesn't specifically mention Assyria, but it does specifically mention Nineveh being built by Asshur.

Yes, Assyria was built by Asshur....Nimrod....The Assyrian.....Who also founded the Land of the Chaldeans which is Babylon.....Proven by the quoted verses of Isaiah 26.


You could say, and I know, Nimrod (Jupiter) is represented by the Christmas tree, but the Beast has to also of been because he does not represent Jupiter. He represents Mercury, Apollo, the son of Jupiter, thus the anti-christ. To prove this, in your explanation of Tammuz being the reincarnated Nimrod, Nimrod stills represents the father god figure, Zeus. Apollo represents the son of Zeus, thus the antichrist. The mythological god trinity is Zeus the father and Apollo the son. Plus, Nimrod was never the king of Assyria, nor did he build it.

Isaiah 26:13 says the Assyrian founded the land of the Chaldeans. We can prove that Nimrod did this. Nimrod is the Assyrian. Simple......cut and dried......SCRIPTURAL PROOF.
 
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I'm not quite sure why you don't understand that there are millions and millions of Christmas trees cut down every year. When Nimrod is laid down......there will be no more Christmas trees cut down. The fir trees will rejoice.
Which has nothing to do with Isa 14.


I said:
There's nothing in that verse that implies they were cut down for idol making. They were cut down to build devices for war, etc.
Your response:
An untruth is a lie. You are adding to scripture.
I'm drawing a conclusion based on scriptures, something you know not about.

Deu 20:19 When thou shalt besiege a city a long time, in making war against it to take it, thou shalt not destroy the trees thereof by forcing an axe against them: for thou mayest eat of them, and thou shalt not cut them down (for the tree of the field is man's life) to employ them in the siege:
Deu 20:20 Only the trees which thou knowest that they be not trees for meat, thou shalt destroy and cut them down; and thou shalt build bulwarks against the city that maketh war with thee, until it be subdued.
That was the custom.





I know that millions and millions of fir trees are cut down every year and I know that when Nimrod...the King of Babylon is laid down this will cease and the fir trees will rejoice. If you can possibly figure out how this applies Nebuchadnezzar, I'm all ears.
You can't provide one verse implying Nimrod. In fact, no one but you have ever implied Nimrod in any prophecy, making your interpretation a private one since there's no scriptural proof for your conclusion. You can't tell fact from fiction. :thumbsup:



LOL. The Christmas tree represents the reincarnation of Nimrod. There are millions of fir trees cut down every year. That seems proof enough as I see no way the fir rejoicing has anything whatsoever to do with Nebuchadnezzar. The fact that you can't face facts is the issue here.
Once again your opinion. Nebuchadnezzar is more implied in Isa 14, is implied in Isa 14 based on Satan's bottomless pit confinement. There's nothing in Isa 14 that implies anything about Nimrod, not even the cedars trees being cut down.



The beast is Nimrod...who was and is and is too come.
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No problem.

Gen 10
8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.

9 He was a mighty hunter before the Lord: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the Lord.

10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.

11 Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah,


The Asshur spoken of in Gen 10:11 is not Shems son, it is Nimrod. Can we prove that?.......Certainly.
What type of fool would I have to be to believe Asshur mentioned three verses after Nimrod and his kingdoms are mentioned are the same person. That is so void of logic.




Isaiah 26
11 He stretched out his hand over the sea, he shook the kingdoms: the Lord hath given a commandment against the merchant city, to destroy the strong holds thereof.

12 And he said, Thou shalt no more rejoice, O thou oppressed virgin, daughter of Zidon: arise, pass over to Chittim; there also shalt thou have no rest.

13 Behold the land of the Chaldeans; this people was not, till the Assyrian founded it for them that dwell in the wilderness: they set up the towers thereof, they raised up the palaces thereof; and he brought it to ruin.


Gen 10 says the beginning of Nimrods kingdom was Babel in the land of Shinar. We know that Babylon is the land of the Chaldeans (Jer 50 and 51). And yet in Isaiah 26 we see that the land of the Chaldeans was not until the Assyrian founded it. As we see, Nimrod is the Assyrian as proved by scripture.

Now that I have established that fact, let's see how the story goes.
You haven't established anything. The Chaldeans came way after Nimrod's time and they were established by the Assyrians, not by Nimrod. Plus, I provided the context of the Assyrian in Isa 14 and his abode in Nineveh, the city built by Asshur.

Assyria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




Yes, Assyria was built by Asshur....Nimrod....The Assyrian.....Who also founded the Land of the Chaldeans which is Babylon.....Proven by the quoted verses of Isaiah 26.
Half truths are untruths. If Asshur was Nimord, Asshur wouldn't of been listed three verses down from Nimrod in verses telling of the cities they established. That's makes no sense. :thumbsup:




Isaiah 26:13 says the Assyrian founded the land of the Chaldeans. We can prove that Nimrod did this. Nimrod is the Assyrian. Simple......cut and dried......SCRIPTURAL PROOF.
The Assyrians founded Chaldea. The Assyrians, plural, is not Nimrod.
 
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It's not Nebuchadnezzar. Nebuchadnezzar did not lead the world in unified rebellion against God, like Nimrod.

The king of Babylon in Isaiah 14 is talking about Satan when sometime in the future he possesses the man of sin (son of perdition); then the man of sin is killed, and he and Satan find themselves in hell. Then, in Isaiah 14:18-20, God in disdain for the person cast the man of sin out of hell, and at the same time it is likely that Satan frees the beast, an unclean spirit in the bottomless pit - the great chasm which divides the two sides of hell.
 
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It's not Nebuchadnezzar. Nebuchadnezzar did not lead the world in unified rebellion against God, like Nimrod.
When did Nimrod lead the world in a unified rebellion? Nimrod was probablly the head of the group of individuals that built the tower of Babel. Nimrod isn't mentioned anywhere else in scripture. The context of Isa 14 only speaks of the King of Babylon and Assyria. Nimrod has nothing to do with Assyria. Assyria was built by Asshur.


The king of Babylon in Isaiah 14 is talking about Satan when sometime in the future he possesses the man of sin (son of perdition); then the man of sin is killed, and he and Satan find themselves in hell. Then, in Isaiah 14:18-20, God in disdain for the person cast the man of sin out of hell, and at the same time it is likely that Satan frees the beast, an unclean spirit in the bottomless pit - the great chasm which divides the two sides of hell.
The context of Isa 14 is during the King of Assyria, Sennacherib's attack on Judah. Israel had already been carried away by Sennacherib's father.

Isa 14 then calls the Assyrian the King of Babylon, at whose fall, when the physical Babylon falls, is when Satan is bound in the bottomless pit, which happens only in Revelation.

The Beast in Revelation then must be the King of Babylon, hence the warning and title, "Mystery Babylon the Great." The fact that Isa 14 references the fall of the physical Babylon as Satan's fall proves King Nebuchadnezzar is the Beast and the Assyrian Sennacherib.

I have provide scriptural proof. You're only giving opinions. There's nothing in Isa 14 that suggests Nimrod is the Beast. In fact, there's nowhere in scripture that identifies Nimrod as anything but as a mighty hunter and builder of some cities. There's no mention of Nimrod ever being a king.

Once again, even if Nimrod is represented by the Cedar tree (Jupiter), it's Mercury that represents the antichrist / the Beast. The pagan trinity is Jupiter, Venus, and Mercury; Osirus, Isis, and Horus; Nimrod, Esther, and Tammuz, etc.

Let's discuss facts and not opinions.
 
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When did Nimrod lead the world in a unified rebellion? Nimrod was probablly the head of the group of individuals that built the tower of Babel. Nimrod isn't mentioned anywhere else in scripture. The context of Isa 14 only speaks of the King of Babylon and Assyria. Nimrod has nothing to do with Assyria. Assyria was built by Asshur.
Micah 5 would not tie the Assyrian to the land of Nimrod, if Nimrod was not the root of the Assyrians back when all the peoples after the flood concentrated in building the tower of babel.

Everyone was living in the land of Shinar

8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.
9 He was a mighty hunter before the Lord: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the Lord.
10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.




Isaiah 14 is about Satan, corresponding to Ezekiel 28, tied to him being cast down to earth. And the man of sin, who Satan will enter into to carry out the act of going into the temple, sitting and claiming to be God. That's why the man of sin is called the son of perdition, because like Judas, Satan will enter him to carry out the act. Then God has him killed for the act in Ezekiel 28:1-10, and he and Satan find themselves in hell in Isaiah 14.

Satan is the king of mystery Babylon the Great, the anti-version of the Kingdom of God, presently having influence over the earth.

The latter verses in Isaiah 14 about the Assyrian, is like I said it is likely that at the same time that the man of sin is brought back to life (Isaiah 14:18-20) Satan frees the beast from the bottomless pit to possess the come back to life man of sin, empowering him to new heights - and leading the world into unified rebellion of God, which was a trait of Nimrod and the tower of babel.

The Beast in Revelation then must be the King of Babylon, hence the warning and title, "Mystery Babylon the Great." The fact that Isa 14 references the fall of the physical Babylon as Satan's fall proves King Nebuchadnezzar is the Beast and the Assyrian Sennacherib.
It is not Nebuchadnezzar who worshiped God at the end of his life. The beast in Revelation, the man of sin, who will become possessed by the unclean spirit of Nimrod (assumed) will again lead the world in unified rebellion against God.

I have provide scriptural proof. You're only giving opinions.
Please, that is getting really old, and is not true. All of us are taking bible passages, putting those together and coming to a scenario of how things play. Your scenario totally neglects that Nebuchadnezzar repented and worshiped God at the end of his life - what you are doing is not good bible study, precepts
 
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Micah 5 would not tie the Assyrian to the land of Nimrod, if Nimrod was not the root of the Assyrians back when all the peoples after the flood concentrated in building the tower of babel.
There are two persons noted building cities after the flood and Nimrod did not build Assyria nor Nineveh were the Assyrian reigns from.
Plus, Micah 5 didn't tie Assyria to the land of Nimrod, it ties "the Assyrian" to the land of Nimrod:

Mic 5:6 And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders.
The land of Assyria is a different land from the land of Nimrod, and it's the Assyrian that controls both at the time of this prophecy, the Assyrian being Sennacherib, Nebuchadnezzar, or what ever personage the Beast takes, the Beast being the spirit Mercury/Apollo. Nimrod is not mentioned in Mic 5, only the "Assyrian" as mentioned in Isa 14.




Everyone was living in the land of Shinar

8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.
9 He was a mighty hunter before the Lord: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the Lord.
10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.
What about the very next verses? Who is noted as building cities also?



Isaiah 14 is about Satan, corresponding to Ezekiel 28, tied to him being cast down to earth. And the man of sin, who Satan will enter into to carry out the act of going into the temple, sitting and claiming to be God.
It never said the King of Tyrus was claimiing to be God. The only similaries Eze 28 have with Isa 14 is it's reference to Satan while speaking about the kings. Eze 28 doesn't mention the bottomless pit. The King of Tyrus could of been possessed by Satan (as Satan is also reference to Pharaoh in other prophecies), but his bottomless pit stay is only referenced in Isa 14 and Revelation.



That's why the man of sin is called the son of perdition, because like Judas, Satan will enter him to carry out the act. Then God has him killed for the act in Ezekiel 28:1-10, and he and Satan find themselves in hell in Isaiah 14.
Judas is called "the" son of perdition because he is/was one of the personage of the Beast. That's how the Beast kills the two witnesses in Revelation, as Judas.

The Beast is released from the bottomless pit before he attacks heaven. It is when he attacks heaven that Satan is bound in the bottomless pit. The Beast and Satan never occupy the bottomless pit at the same time. You should know that.



Satan is the king of mystery Babylon the Great, the anti-version of the Kingdom of God, presently having influence over the earth.
Mystery Babylon is the Beast that's thrown into the lake of fire when Satan is bound, Nebuchadnezzar. Satan gives his power to the Beast to attack heaven.



The latter verses in Isaiah 14 about the Assyrian, is like I said it is likely that at the same time that the man of sin is brought back to life (Isaiah 14:18-20) Satan frees the beast from the bottomless pit to possess the come back to life man of sin, empowering him to new heights - and leading the world into unified rebellion of God, which was a trait of Nimrod and the tower of babel.
You have yet to comprehend Isa 14's context. The context is during Sennacherib's attack on Shalem, that's why the Assyrian is mentioned in Isa 14. The King of Babylon is mention some 400 yrs before his existence in Isa 14's prophecy because he's Sennacherib at that time and the "Assyrian in Mic 5 at the end time, when Satan is bound in Revelation and the Beast defeated. The Assyrian is Sennacherib, is Nebuchadnezzar, was Judas, is the Beast.



It is not Nebuchadnezzar who worshiped God at the end of his life. The beast in Revelation, the man of sin, who will become possessed by the unclean spirit of Nimrod (assumed) will again lead the world in unified rebellion against God.
Isa 14 proves it.

Scripture says nice things about Cyrus too, but they're both fallen angels. The 4-5 horsemen, 4-5 fallen angels, and the 4-5 beast kingdoms in Daniel all represent the Beast from the bottomless pit and the 4 Euphrates angel. These are Satan's angels.

Not everything written in scripture is fact.




Please, that is getting really old, and is not true. All of us are taking bible passages, putting those together and coming to a scenario of how things play. Your scenario totally neglects that Nebuchadnezzar repented and worshiped God at the end of his life - what you are doing is not good bible study, precepts
I do not neglect scripture. I said, maybe not to you, that scripture speaks good of Cyrus too, and he's a fallen angel. History paints a different picture of them. Isa 14's bottomless pit prophecy at the King of Babylon falls, as well as all the other evidence, far out wieghs just that one verse. The true message could be lost in the interpretation because like I said before, if Nebuchadnezzar had accepted God, he would of freed the Jews.
 
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There are two persons noted building cities after the flood and Nimrod did not build Assyria nor Nineveh were the Assyrian reigns from.
Plus, Micah 5 didn't tie Assyria to the land of Nimrod, it ties "the Assyrian" to the land of Nimrod:

The land of Assyria is a different land from the land of Nimrod, and it's the Assyrian that controls both at the time of this prophecy, the Assyrian being Sennacherib, Nebuchadnezzar, or what ever personage the Beast takes, the Beast being the spirit Mercury/Apollo. Nimrod is not mentioned in Mic 5, only the "Assyrian" as mentioned in Isa 14.

It's not even relevant that Nimrod not specifically said in Micah 5 as being the Assyrian, because Nebuchadnezzar certainly is not in Micah 5. It's implied more closely to Nimrod - land of Nimrod - than anyone else. And even then, I would not be adamant that it is talking about the man of sin possessed person (as in my scenario) because that passage may be about the leader of Iran in the pre-7 years Gog/Magog attack.

The land of Shinar , which came first, covered the entire area, including parts of which later became Assyria. Nimrod was over all the land of Shinar, because that is where them descended from the flood migrated to.

The Assyrian is just a code name anyway because the Assyrian leaders were particular cruel. It's like saying the evil person.

It never said the King of Tyrus was claimiing to be God. The only similaries Eze 28 have with Isa 14 is it's reference to Satan while speaking about the kings. Eze 28 doesn't mention the bottomless pit. The King of Tyrus could of been possessed by Satan (as Satan is also reference to Pharaoh in other prophecies), but his bottomless pit stay is only referenced in Isa 14 and Revelation.
The bottomless pit is not part of Ezekiel 28, agree totally. It does mention the pit, Ezekiel 28:8, but is talking about hell. In the gospels, in the account of Lazarus on one side and the rich man on the other, in the two areas of hell, it says that those two are separated by a great chasm, which I am of the opinion is the bottomless pit. Which, while hell is not itself the bottomless pit, the bottomless pit is close by as a barrier.

The first half of Ezekiel 28 is about the prince of tyrus, a code name for the end times person who after becoming the king of Israel, betrays them by claiming to be God, revealing himself as the man of sin. He will sit in the temple of God as it says in 2Thessalonians2 in his proclamation.

Now look at what it says in Ezekiel 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord God; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

God has him killed for his action - that's how he ends up in hell (not the bottomless pit) in Isaiah14, along with Satan who will have possessed him for a very short period to time to carry out the act of going into the temple and sitting - as a proclamation that he is God. His being killed is the mortally wounded - and then come back to life (when God brings him back to life to be cast into the lake of fire not long thereafter) head on the beast in Revelation 13.

Satan, in Ezekiel 28, is later in the chapter code named the King of Tyrus (not prince because prince is the man of sin person, after being the Antichrist for a short stint). Satan will be cast down to earth, albeit him in Isaiah 14 is a brief event, and not due to the war in heaven (second heaven) that comes later after the two witnesses are killed and resurrected.
Judas is called "the" son of perdition because he is/was one of the personage of the Beast. That's how the Beast kills the two witnesses in Revelation, as Judas.
No, Judas is called the son of perdition because Satan entered him briefly to carry out an act of betrayal to Jesus.

The Antichrist (illicit King of Israel) will likewise betray Israel, when Satan enters him to carry out the act of going into the temple and claims to be God, revealing himself as the man of sin. Satan only enters the person for a very short time, because the person is soon killed, by non-Jews, according to Ezekiel 28.

After the person finds himself in hell, then cast out Isaiah 18-20, he is possessed by the unclean spirit of the beast, and from that point forward is himself known as the beast - no longer the Antichrist - because the Jews will have rejected him from continuing as their king. (Christ means King of Israel, Mark 15:32)

But I do agree, once the person comes back to life, he kills the two witnesses.


The Beast is released from the bottomless pit before he attacks heaven. It is when he attacks heaven that Satan is bound in the bottomless pit. The Beast and Satan never occupy the bottomless pit at the same time. You should know that.
What do you mean attacks heaven? The person is here on earth. I don't disagree that the beast and Satan don't occupy the bottomless pit at the same time.

Mystery Babylon is the Beast that's thrown into the lake of fire when Satan is bound, Nebuchadnezzar. Satan gives his power to the Beast to attack heaven.
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Scripture says nice things about Cyrus too, but they're both fallen angels. The 4-5 horsemen, 4-5 fallen angels, and the 4-5 beast kingdoms in Daniel all represent the Beast from the bottomless pit and the 4 Euphrates angel. These are Satan's angels.
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I do not neglect scripture. I said, maybe not to you, that scripture speaks good of Cyrus too, and he's a fallen angel. History paints a different picture of them. Isa 14's bottomless pit prophecy at the King of Babylon falls, as well as all the other evidence, far out wieghs just that one verse. The true message could be lost in the interpretation because like I said before, if Nebuchadnezzar had accepted God, he would of freed the Jews.
It only takes one passage to break a theory. It is as clear as can be that Nebuchadnezzar repented and worshiped God. Adjust your scenario to something else. I have done that myself plenty of times. Don't be a mule :).

I am nobody's enemy here, so don't get too excited.
 
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It's not even relevant that Nimrod not specifically said in Micah 5 as being the Assyrian, because Nebuchadnezzar certainly is not in Micah 5. It's implied more closely to Nimrod - land of Nimrod - than anyone else. And even then, I would not be adamant that it is talking about the man of sin possessed person (as in my scenario) because that passage may be about the leader of Iran in the pre-7 years Gog/Magog attack.

The land of Shinar , which came first, covered the entire area, including parts of which later became Assyria. Nimrod was over all the land of Shinar, because that is where them descended from the flood migrated to.

The Assyrian is just a code name anyway because the Assyrian leaders were particular cruel. It's like saying the evil person.
You still haven't considered Isa 14's context in reference to Sennacherib, the king of Assyria. That's the "Assyrian" referenced in Mic 5.




The bottomless pit is not part of Ezekiel 28, agree totally. It does mention the pit, Ezekiel 28:8, but is talking about hell. In the gospels, in the account of Lazarus on one side and the rich man on the other, in the two areas of hell, it says that those two are separated by a great chasm, which I am of the opinion is the bottomless pit. Which, while hell is not itself the bottomless pit, the bottomless pit is close by as a barrier.
I'll give you this one because the pit in Eze 28:8 is referring to the bottomless pit. My explanation, which I meant to say in my last response, is that the King of Tyrus could of been Satan himself or possessed by Satan. But the fact still remains that Satan's bottomless pit stay, in Revelation, is prophecied in Isa 14 at the fall of the King of Babylon.




The first half of Ezekiel 28 is about the prince of tyrus, a code name for the end times person who after becoming the king of Israel, betrays them by claiming to be God, revealing himself as the man of sin. He will sit in the temple of God as it says in 2Thessalonians2 in his proclamation.
You are taking the verses out of context. The context is the downfall of Tyrus by Nebuchadnezzar. That's why I said the king of Tyrus could of been Satan himself or possessed by Satan.



Now look at what it says in Ezekiel 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord God; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

God has him killed for his action - that's how he ends up in hell (not the bottomless pit) in Isaiah14, along with Satan who will have possessed him for a very short period to time to carry out the act of going into the temple and sitting - as a proclamation that he is God. His being killed is the mortally wounded - and then come back to life (when God brings him back to life to be cast into the lake of fire not long thereafter) head on the beast in Revelation 13.
The text says nothing of what you are saying. Eze 28:8's pit is the bottomless pit. There's nothing that suggest the king of Tyre is possessed and enters any temple.



Satan, in Ezekiel 28, is later in the chapter code named the King of Tyrus (not prince because prince is the man of sin person, after being the Antichrist for a short stint). Satan will be cast down to earth, albeit him in Isaiah 14 is a brief event, and not due to the war in heaven (second heaven) that comes later after the two witnesses are killed and resurrected.
There's nothing in Eze 28 that suggests any antichrist activity, just references to the king/prince of Tyre as to Satan.




No, Judas is called the son of perdition because Satan entered him briefly to carry out an act of betrayal to Jesus.
Christ said he chose the twelve and one of them was a "devil". Judas is "the" son of perdition.



The Antichrist (illicit King of Israel) will likewise betray Israel, when Satan enters him to carry out the act of going into the temple and claims to be God, revealing himself as the man of sin. Satan only enters the person for a very short time, because the person is soon killed, by non-Jews, according to Ezekiel 28.
Not everything written in scripture is fact. The abomination of desolation happens during the reign of the Greek kings, Dan 8 & 11.



After the person finds himself in hell, then cast out Isaiah 18-20, he is possessed by the unclean spirit of the beast, and from that point forward is himself known as the beast - no longer the Antichrist - because the Jews will have rejected him from continuing as their king. (Christ means King of Israel, Mark 15:32)

But I do agree, once the person comes back to life, he kills the two witnesses.
Any one that enters hell never returns. The antichrist and the Beast are the same thing at the same time.



What do you mean attacks heaven? The person is here on earth.
The attacks happen in heaven.

Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
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Mat 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.



I don't disagree that the beast and Satan don't occupy the bottomless pit at the same time.
But you said they did. You said when the Beast is killed, he and Satan goes to the bottomless pit.


Your quote 2 posts back:
Isaiah 14 is about Satan, corresponding to Ezekiel 28, tied to him being cast down to earth. And the man of sin, who Satan will enter into to carry out the act of going into the temple, sitting and claiming to be God. That's why the man of sin is called the son of perdition, because like Judas, Satan will enter him to carry out the act. Then God has him killed for the act in Ezekiel 28:1-10, and he and Satan find themselves in hell in Isaiah 14.:doh::doh::doh::doh:


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It only takes one passage to break a theory. It is as clear as can be that Nebuchadnezzar repented and worshiped God. Adjust your scenario to something else. I have done that myself plenty of times. Don't be a mule :).

I am nobody's enemy here, so don't get too excited.
How many times have I explained that that one verse doesn't out weigh the other evidences. Cyrus is well spoken of in scripture, contrary to historical facts.

Eze 31:3 Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs.
Eze 31:4 The waters made him great, the deep set him up on high with her rivers running round about his plants, and sent out her little rivers unto all the trees of the field.
Eze 31:5 Therefore his height was exalted above all the trees of the field, and his boughs were multiplied, and his branches became long because of the multitude of waters, when he shot forth.
Eze 31:6 All the fowls of heaven made their nests in his boughs, and under his branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young, and under his shadow dwelt all great nations.
Eze 31:7 Thus was he fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches: for his root was by great waters.
Who is this Assyrian?

Nebuchadnezzar's dream:
Dan 4:10 Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great.
Dan 4:11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth:
Dan 4:12 The leaves thereof were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was meat for all: the beasts of the field had shadow under it, and the fowls of the heaven dwelt in the boughs thereof, and all flesh was fed of it.
Dan 4:13 I saw in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, behold, a watcher and an holy one came down from heaven;
Dan 4:14 He cried aloud, and said thus, Hew down the tree, and cut off his branches, shake off his leaves, and scatter his fruit: let the beasts get away from under it, and the fowls from his branches:
Is this not the same Assyrian in the above verses on the Assyrian? Isn't this the same tree where the beasts and fowls rest in the above verses?


Now that that's established, back to Eze 31:
Eze 31:10 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast lifted up thyself in height, and he hath shot up his top among the thick boughs, and his heart is lifted up in his height;
Eze 31:11 I have therefore delivered him into the hand of the mighty one of the heathen; he shall surely deal with him: I have driven him out for his wickedness.
Driven out from where?


Eze 31:15 Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day when he went down to the grave I caused a mourning: I covered the deep for him, and I restrained the floods thereof, and the great waters were stayed: and I caused Lebanon to mourn for him, and all the trees of the field fainted for him.
Eze 31:16 I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.
Eze 31:17 They also went down into hell with him unto them that be slain with the sword; and they that were his arm, that dwelt under his shadow in the midst of the heathen.
Is this not Revelation, Satan and Nebuchadnezzar spoken of as one person here? Is this not Satan's fall from heaven, before the floods, when the Beast and the 4 Euphrates river angels were bound?

Who's ever cast down to hell and forgiven?

The King of Babylon's fall is Satan's fall, which is Revelation. Nebuchadnezzar is the Assyrian, the tall tree, the 8th floor of the Babel tower, and the 8th king on the 7 hills of Rome.
 
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