Andyman_1970
Trying to walk in His dust...............
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arunma said:What's wrong with that?
First and foremost they have become holy holidays and yet the Bible does not include these as such. Granted this is not a salvation issue, and I defer to Romans 14 if folks want to celebrate these holidays which is great. But if Im going to elevate a holiday, its going to be one that is commanded by God in His Holy infallible, inspired Word, rather than something made up by men.
Remember the Hebrew word for feast is the word mikrah, and means rehearsal, all the feasts point to either the former (spring) rains (feasts) or the latter (fall) rains (feasts) reference Hosea 6 which is the spring feasts point to the Messiahs first coming and the fall feasts point to the Messiahs second coming. So again, I cant for the life of me see how celebrating these rehearsals is a step backwards.
arunma said:I consider it one of Christianity's greatest strengths that former pagans were able to see types of Christ even in their own traditions. If a Muslim convert to Christianity wanted to pray five times daily to Christ, would you object?
And I consider it one of Christianities biggest mistakes. Its denial of its Hebraic roots early on has lead to all sort of anti-Semitism through out the centuries including some nauseating and un Biblical doctrines such as replacement theology.
arunma said:To me, it's enough that those European pagans denied the existence of their gods and turned to Yahweh. Furthermore, I think these traditions are valuable. You don't need to be Catholic to appreciate the many fine traditions of the Christian church. In fact, as Baptists we have a unique opportunity to learn from all of the great Christian theologians, without delving into petty arguments over the schisms within the church.
As many of these traditions were man made, and came about after the year 320 AD with the Hellenization of the church and the minimization of its Hebrew roots I dont see much value in these traditions knowing their past.
If we are called to be Holy and set apart, why would we want to do and celebrate what pagans celebrated (with a Christian twist mind you) but yet call what God Himself has commanded to be celebrated a heresy ..I dont get that at all.
arunma said:To me, it seems that relying on Moses and the Old Testament feasts is a step in the wrong direction. All those things point to Christ, and it is in him we should trust. After all, why would we celebrate Passover, knowing full well that it points to something greater?
On this point I would strenuously object as disciples we are to do what Jesus did, Jesus was a Torah observant Jew, if a Jewish Christian (or a Gentile for that matter) wants to observe Torah out of a God given desire to be obedient to His Holy infallible Word then more power to them. I cant understand how doing what God commanded is a step in the wrong direction? When Jesus says If you love Me youll keep all my commandments you realize Hes referring to the 613 commands given by God on the Torah?
BTW Im a Gentile and Im not Messianic, nor do I ever think I will be, just so you know where Im coming from.
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