And if your spouse separates from you? What are the rules then? Suppose you get married in good faith and, although you do have sex some, your spouse then withdraws completely and refuses any kind of counseling?
If it is a sin, why did it get described in the Song of Solomon in positive terms?
Cool. So if you get married when you're 19 and your spouse abandons you physically a week later, and you live to be 119, it's the will of God that you spend several decades suicidal, beating your head against the sidewalk when no one's looking, and then maybe another half century just lying and staring and waiting to die. Sounds like a good Christian life to me.Tough it out. Many people have sacrificed much more for thier beleifs.
Just a quick question... do we assume that men are the only ones that MB or just that it is more of an issue with men? I think that we may need to rethink that. It's not just men, or males.The hot topic of MB. Despite people twisting scriptures, MB is easy to answer.
When you MB are you looking or thinking of naughty things? If yes, then you're in sin. If you think of nothing then it's not a sin. One exception to this is if you make an addiction out of it. An idol so to speak. Like your MB as much as you can. Simple.
Now when it comes to the rare answer people give of "spilling seed", well technically speaking you sometimes "spill seed" during sex when your not "inside". Just as some people to prevent having a baby "spill seed" "outside". Or if they use a condom. None of this is a sin. Sometimes while sleeping men "spill seed" without knowing it (at least until you wake up). So obviously it's not a sin. I would say though if you are feeling like you need to MB all the time, I'd probably pray you find a wife so you can get over that desire.
Which for future reference is should be pointed out MB can a sin if you choose to MB over being intimate with your future wife. Unless she is ok with it. But thats for another topic.
It's certainly not done only by men.Just a quick question... do we assume that men are the only ones that MB or just that it is more of an issue with men? I think that we may need to rethink that. It's not just men, or males.
Can you MB without thinking of anything?The hot topic of MB. Despite people twisting scriptures, MB is easy to answer.
When you MB are you looking or thinking of naughty things? If yes, then you're in sin. If you think of nothing then it's not a sin. One exception to this is if you make an addiction out of it. An idol so to speak. Like your MB as much as you can. Simple.
Now when it comes to the rare answer people give of "spilling seed", well technically speaking you sometimes "spill seed" during sex when your not "inside". Just as some people to prevent having a baby "spill seed" "outside". Or if they use a condom. None of this is a sin. Sometimes while sleeping men "spill seed" without knowing it (at least until you wake up). So obviously it's not a sin. I would say though if you are feeling like you need to MB all the time, I'd probably pray you find a wife so you can get over that desire.
Which for future reference is should be pointed out MB can a sin if you choose to MB over being intimate with your future wife. Unless she is ok with it. But thats for another topic.
The Flood came because of the sin of spilling seed.
I agree with your thinking... I think that, men especially, but not only, get a desire to release their sexual desire. (In men, this is caused by the build up of seminal fluid in the seminal vesicles) It is also caused by testosterone as normal function of the body.Cool. So if you get married when you're 19 and your spouse abandons you physically a week later, and you live to be 119, it's the will of God that you spend several decades suicidal, beating your head against the sidewalk when no one's looking, and then maybe another half century just lying and staring and waiting to die. Sounds like a good Christian life to me.
Not in and of itself.Is masturbation a sin?
I agree with your thinking... I think that, men especially, but not only, get a desire to release their sexual desire. (In men, this is caused by the build up of seminal fluid in the seminal vesicles) It is also caused by testosterone as normal function of the body.
I'm not a woman so I have no idea what increases their need for sexual release, but without it.. we would never procreate.
To ask men to go until they are married, without a release... is a huge task..
Yes, I guess some can do it... However, telling some young men that this is a sin... is a stumbling block.
It would be quickly followed by... "Forget that... if that's what I have to do when I'm a Christian".
Again, I will ask... any man.... before you were married... and maybe after... are you saying you never lusted after a woman for sex? Or thought she was desirable in that way? Thought she was attractive?
Let's really be honest here guys...
Being human.
Not every human chooses to touch,and not everyone is lead to.
So what would lead you to the point where you have no choice but to touch?
I used to believe that I had no choice. That was until that I understood the male anatomy and how it works. Basically when men start having sex/masturbating they turn on a switch where their body starts to produce larger amounts of sperm. This makes it very difficult to resist the physical urges and it can be so powerful. However it is usually at the peak within 3 days to 2 weeks of abstaining. Then after that your body produces less and the urges start to go away. Then it is much more tolerable.
Most men have been taught that they must touch and it takes the willpower of a Buddhist monk to achieve purity. It is a sign of the evil times.
Yup, and considering that the OP is a teen, where his hormones are at his peak, and he thinks to touch is to be human, unless he has some chronic illness where he's experiencing multiple [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] throughout the day, I'm highly doubting that its some medical condition where he has to touch to get through daily tasks. More probable that there is lack of self-control.
And if he actually have a medical condition, to seek a physician,not approval.
I'm not saying you're wrong. Just want to know your reasoning and scripture that backs this up.
God will be far more angry at the adults who teach a 17 year old to touch rather than the 17 year old stumbling around trying to figure out what is okay and what isn't.
If there are any adults out there teaching a youngster how to touch, that's just disgusting.
Honestly, spanking the monkey is something all grown males have done; however, the difference now is that guys just gotta talk about it to anyone who will listen.
In my days, no one "taught" you about it. Shoot, I'm sure for many of us, the first time we did it we wondered WOW, what in the world just happened! It was something we discovered about our sexuality on our own......we didn't go around talking about it....we didn't announce to the world we were all doing it.....and it never came up as a topic of sinning in any church I ever went to (and I grew up a fundamental baptist). You just did it, not thinking or worrying about if it was "OK" or not, and kept your mouth shut.
Sorry if I prickled your conscience.
You didn't "prickle" my conscience a bit. It don't bother me a bit if you or anyone else thinks it's a sin. And just because I don't think it's a sin and their ain't no fuss about them doing it, doesn't equate to me "teaching" anyone to touch.
Some folks get wrapped around and twisted all up over the stupidest stuff, and some of the reasons you folks are using to justify it being a sin are quite a stretch (no pun intended).
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