Is masturbating bad?

[fated]

Seriously, masturbation puts your sexuality in control. How can it in any way show an inability to control yourself?

Lets take this for example. A young couple in love, about to become adults. At this age hormones are swelling and both of them have a much increased sex drive. However, they both want to wait. Both of them are also against masturbating. Without the sexual release, much more sexual tension builds up between them. One night something clicks and they go past that point they promised they wouldn't go past until they were well prepared.. and they end up having sex.

And on this day they are truly prepared, because as we know very well, sometimes sex just happens...and it does for them on this day..

(and now i can go into my own slippery slope where she has a kid or an abortion...blah blah blah and so on....but I won't)

Now... Don't you think that this situation could have been avoided if they had released the sexual tension by themselves? Don't you think it shows quite a bit more control to stimulate yourself rather than letting all that tension linger?

Seriously , if they didn't touch before why would it be so prudent to start then?

And it just happens how? It just fell in? Over and over?

And there is your slippery slope.

 

[Chrono Traveler]

Seriously , if they didn't touch before why would it be so prudent to start then?

And it just happens how? It just fell in? Over and over?

And there is your slippery slope.

Because sex happens in the heat of the moment. It is quite often unplanned, especially if there is built up tension that is not released. How could this point possibly be missed?

 

[fated]

Because sex happens in the heat of the moment. It is quite often unplanned, especially if there is built up tension that is not released. How could this point possibly be missed?

What kind of behavior leads up to "it just happened?" Is it really the type of behavior that two people who want to wait engage in, or is it the type of behavior that one person who wants to wait engages in with someone who says they want to wait?

 

[flicka]

Seriously , if they didn't touch before why would it be so prudent to start then?

And it just happens how? It just fell in? Over and over?

And there is your slippery slope.

Biology isn't a slippery slope. Just because you didn't touch at 8 yrs old doesn't mean you will feel the same at 18.

 

[flicka]

What kind of behavior leads up to "it just happened?" Is it really the type of behavior that two people who want to wait engage in, or is it the type of behavior that one person who wants to wait engages in with someone who says they want to wait?

Normal human behavior? Like becoming attracted to someone, or falling in love, or being sexually aroused. It happens. Mostly to everyone.

 

[fated]

That's right, if you don't respect yourself and you just let things happen you can get yourself into a terrible mess. I won't argue with that.

 

[flicka]

That's right, if you don't respect yourself and you just let things happen you can get yourself into a terrible mess. I won't argue with that.

What does respecting yourself have to do with being sexually attracted to someone? People are not robots who can turn things on and off. And they are also not "perfect" as you ought to know. Hence, they will often find themselves in situations.....

Really, does this have to be spelled out?

 

[Ryal Kane]

You deny that masturbation is related to sexuality?

That is the slippery slope. And it is slippery, and many people slip down it.

Oh the mental pictures.

 

[fated]

So, you are saying that masturbation helps people make out with each other without having sex....

And I propose that this behavior leads to sex....

 

[PassionFruit]

Oh the mental pictures.

Yeah, I know. My mind is the gutter!

 

[craigerNY]

It is a false assumption that everyone masturbates. Here, as masturbation... becomes more accepted behavior throughout time, various serious societal ills have emerged, including divorce and single parent households. You require a double blind study to see that moral relativism pertaining to sexuality is eroding families and their values in society. Many people do not.

Self gratification shows a certain inability to control oneself, and accepting that as fact is part of the societal illness in its use of sexuality, to the destruction of family and life.

What I require is for you to tie masturbation to the chain of events that promotes divorce, single parent households, eroding families and the destruction of family and life. I know what you are proposing but without demonstrating how masturbation is the gateway behavior to the demise of society as we know it then what you are saying is nothing more than just a proposal. It is a strong claim that you can not back up and to further claim that most folks do not require anything more than your statement of this claim does not strengthen your argument. You may opine all you wish but do not state "the world is my evidence" or that "most people do not require proof". Just say it is your opinion that masturbation is our demise and we will simply have to disagree.

A great many things have happened in the world during this emergence of eroding families as you put it. Using your logic one could pin the cause down to anything that has coincided with this era. I could blame fast food using your logic.

 

[fated]

What I require is for you to tie masturbation to the chain of events that promotes divorce, single parent households, eroding families and the destruction of family and life. I know what you are proposing but without demonstrating how masturbation is the gateway behavior to the demise of society as we know it then what you are saying is nothing more than just a proposal. It is a strong claim that you can not back up and to further claim that most folks do not require anything more than your statement of this claim does not strengthen your argument. You may opine all you wish but do not state "the world is my evidence" or that "most people do not require proof". Just say it is your opinion that masturbation is our demise and we will simply have to disagree.

A great many things have happened in the world during this emergence of eroding families as you put it. Using your logic one could pin the cause down to anything that has coincided with this era. I could blame fast food using your logic.

Many people point out that masturbation help keep them from having sex, and yet they touch so that they can become more intimate with members of the opposite sex, which leads to mutual masturbation, and at length intercourse.

Would you deny this link, demonstrated even by the beliefs of people on this thread?

 

[craigerNY]

Many people point out that masturbation help keep them from having sex, and yet they touch so that they can become more intimate with members of the opposite sex, which leads to mutual masturbation, and at length intercourse.

Would you deny this link, demonstrated even by the beliefs of people on this thread?

Your mistake is creating a link with non-linked data. You insinuate that first comes masturbation, then masturbation as a sexual tool of sorts, then mutual masturbation, then intercourse as if it is a progressive set of activities of a single poster. What actually has been posted is that some people touch as a way of being chaste, others do it to improve their current sex life and some participate in mutual masturbation. That tells me that the motivation to touch is subjective. I can not draw a linked conclusion from data that is subjectively varied.

 

[Ginny]

I hear people say it is okay, if you don't lust...

Juanaman, if you are asking from a Christian point of view...this is the last place I would post this question.

You will get all kinds of answer from who knows what kinds of people...

 

[levi501]

I talked to God. She said it was cool with her.

 

[JadeTigress]

So, you are saying that masturbation helps people make out with each other without having sex....

And I propose that this behavior leads to sex....

Sure, in some cases, it could lead to sex, if both parties agree that that's where they want to take it. However, if one has self-control, one little slip of the tongue isn't going to magically remove their clothing. I've made out for very long periods at a time, and my virginity is still intact. So nyeh.

But wait...*gasp*...I also touch. If, during the course of this making out, I should happen to get super aroused (pretty much inevitable, really), I just remind myself that I can take care of it when I get home. Or maybe even on the drive home...

 

[selfinflikted]

If masturbation is so evil and sinful, I should've been smited by now. So let's do a test.

If masturbation is sinful, may God strike me down right now.

................

Nope. Still here. I guess we answered that question.

O.O

Lord have mercy.

/seconded

Oh the mental pictures.

MOTHA

Juanaman, if you are asking from a Christian point of view...this is the last place I would post this question.

You will get all kinds of answer from who knows what kinds of people...

Huh?

 

[Ginny]

If this guy did not care from a Godly point of view....why would he ask if it is wrong or not? If he does care if it is wrong or notfrom a spiritual perspective, he shouldn't be posting in this area.

Unless he's like that guy on Guiness who couldn't even hold down a job b/c of it.

 

[selfinflikted]

Ed.

 

[Foolish_Fool]

Warrior historically and boxer and athletes of today abstain to increase their "drive."

As for health, being happily married is a far far better
indicator.

You just shot yourself in the foot and didn't even realize it. That "drive" you are referring to is built up testosterone which makes males more aggressive and agitated. So unless you need to hurt somebody, you just listed a benefit of masturbation. Grats on your superior debating skills.