Is Mary a source of Holiness?

[LittleLambofJesus]

Exactly what does the scripture say? I think Calvin and Luther said it best than you and I.

I don't agree with a lot of their "views" of the Scriptures.

edit to add: nor a lot of their translations.

Matthew 26:3 Then were gathered together the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders of the people, to the court/palace [#833] of the chief priest who was called Caiaphas;

Reve 11:2 And the Court [Court of the Priest?] [#833], the one without[ exqen] the Sanctuary/Naos [#3485] be you Casting- Out! [#1544 ekbale ] Out-side [#1854 exw] and

 

[FrauleinElsa]

It is respectable, people might deny the truth and that is their own choosing which is respectable in may ways. But your views do not change reality or what Calvin and Luther thought. Those are facts!!!

Thanks ans love (really)

Santiago

Dude, why are you shouting? I mean, it sounds like you're saying me and every single Protestant on the face of the earth is wrong. That's how it sounds. I really don't care what Luther and Calvin said. I know what my Pastor says and he's the one I believe. Just because someone says something does make it true. I know that goes for myself as well. Which is why there are so many denominations. You need to relax. I'm worried about your blood pressure. It's okay if we don't agree. It's not the end of the world. Just breathe in, breathe out. It'll be okay. Okay?

Peace, Love and Starbucks!!!

 

[icedtea]

I know what my bible says!

 

[FrauleinElsa]

You're entitled to your opinion just as I am mine.

Hey! I agree with that! C'mere and gimme a hug !

Peace, Love and, Starbucks!!!
Feelin' nuthin' but love 4 ya !

 

[santiagoamr]

Dude, why are you shouting? I mean, it sounds like you're saying me and every single Protestant on the face of the earth is wrong. That's how it sounds. I really don't care what Luther and Calvin said. I know what my Pastor says and he's the one I believe. Just because someone says something does make it true. I know that goes for myself as well. Which is why there are so many denominations. You need to relax. I'm worried about your blood pressure. It's okay if we don't agree. It's not the end of the world. Just breathe in, breathe out. It'll be okay. Okay?

Peace, Love and Starbucks!!!

Really, not shouting. Just stating which is also valid. I am glad you believe in your pastor!!!

Thanks

Santiago

 

[santiagoamr]

I know what my bible says!

Maybe you do maybe ou don't can't know for sure though!!

 

[FrauleinElsa]

Really, not shouting. Just stating which is also valid. I am glad you believe in your pastor!!!

Thanks

Santiago

Okay. But exclamation marks such as these!!! Imply shouting. Just so you know. But really, we don't have to agree. Now do we?

 

[santiagoamr]

I don't agree with a lot of their "views" of the Scriptures.

edit to add: nor a lot of their translations.

Matthew 26:3 Then were gathered together the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders of the people, to the court/palace [#833] of the chief priest who was called Caiaphas;

Reve 11:2 And the Court [Court of the Priest?] [#833], the one without[ exqen] the Sanctuary/Naos [#3485] be you Casting- Out! [#1544 ekbale ] Out-side [#1854 exw] and

But you agree with your own? I think they were better versed in Scriptures than you!! But hey you go ahead and interpret things the wya you want!!! That is what God is all about Anarchy!!!!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Maybe you do maybe ou don't can't know for sure though!!

Neither can any religion that looks at our Bible.

2 corin 3:12 Therefore, since we have such hope, we use great boldness of speech -- 13 unlike Moses, [who] put a veil over his face so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the end of what was passing away. 14 But their minds were dull. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the [veil] is taken away in Christ. 15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart. 16 Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. [kalumma <2571>]

 

[FrauleinElsa]

Maybe you do maybe ou don't can't know for sure though!!

Hello! How rude. You are not qualified to make that statment. I wouldn't say that about you. Hmm...

 

[santiagoamr]

Okay. But exclamation marks such as these!!! Imply shouting. Just so you know. But really, we don't have to agree. Now do we?

No we don't reality doesn't have to do anything with agreein it just is it doesn't change

Thanks for the !!!! I didn't know that.

Santiago

 

[FrauleinElsa]

No we don't reality doesn't have to do anything with agreein it just is it doesn't change

Thanks for the !!!! I didn't know that.

Santiago

Yeah, but by saying that you do realize that you're cutting down someone and thier beliefs, right? That's wrong and not allowed. I respect your right to have differing views, but it works both ways. I'm not hearing too much respect for views other than your own. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm not saying I'm right. I am saying even if you disagree with someone you can still respect them and their views.

 

[santiagoamr]

Hello! How rude. You are not qualified to make that statment. I wouldn't say that about you. Hmm...

It is valid to do so you know? Caliming that one persona has the truth without proof is just not smart.

Really!

Thanks

 

[FrauleinElsa]

It is valid to do so you know? Caliming that one persona has the truth without proof is just not smart.

Really!

Thanks

*Shakes head* Then what can I say? (she said sadly)

 

[santiagoamr]

Yeah, but by saying that you do realize that you're cutting down someone and thier beliefs, right? That's wrong and not allowed. I respect your right to have differing views, but it works both ways. I'm not hearing too much respect for views other than your own. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm not saying I'm right. I am saying even if you disagree with someone you can still respect them and their views.

I respect their views, even if the views are not founded on truth. I don't know why you think I am not respecting your views or any other persons for that matter, but a philosophical fact is that truth is based on reality not on ones point of views, stating that is not wrong. To have a debate means stating this type of things. I do nt judge you for not wanting to face the facts that is your prerrogative, my self Is not that but the other way around, truth is what I am really after, even if it means that I am wrong.

 

[santiagoamr]

Hello! How rude. You are not qualified to make that statment. I wouldn't say that about you. Hmm...

By the way stating that YOU know what the bible says is even more rude, becaus eyou are saying that only you know and those that agree with you! Think about it!

Thanks

Santiago

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

But you agree with your own? I think they were better versed in Scriptures than you!! But hey you go ahead and interpret things the wya you want!!! That is what God is all about Anarchy!!!!

Hi. What I said before goes. Translations were not good back in the early days.
There is a difference between "sanctuary" [#3485] and "temple" [#2411] in the NT and it is a very significant difference when it comes to interpretion.


kata-petasma (Strong's 2665) occurs 6 times in 6 verses:

hieron (Strong's 2411) occurs 71 times in 67 verses: [Never mentioned in revelation]

naos (Strong's 3485) occurs 46 times in 40 verses:

(Young) Matthew 27:51 and lo, the vail of the sanctuary was rent in two from top unto bottom, and the earth did quake, and the rocks were rent,

(NKJV) Matthew 27:51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split,

 

[FrauleinElsa]

I respect their views, even if the views are not founded on truth. I don't know why you think I am not respecting your views or any other persons for that matter, but a philosophical fact is that truth is based on reality not on ones point of views, stating that is not wrong. To have a debate means stating this type of things. I do nt judge you for not wanting to face the facts that is your prerrogative, my self Is not that but the other way around, truth is what I am really after, even if it means that I am wrong.

Because of your first sentence. You don't think what we (Protestants) believe is based in truth. That right there. . I am saddened by all of this. Why can't we agree to disagree. If it's truth you want I'll end with this:

That which fascinates us is by definition true. Speaking metaphorically of course.

P.S. Just because we don't share the same views does not mean we Protestants don't have the truth. No denomination has jurisdiction over the truth.
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[santiagoamr]

Hi. What I said before goes. Translations were not good back in the early days.
There is a difference between "sanctuary" [#3485] and "temple" [#2411] in the NT and it is a very significant difference when it comes to interpretion.


kata-petasma (Strong's 2665) occurs 6 times in 6 verses:

hieron (Strong's 2411) occurs 71 times in 67 verses: [Never mentioned in revelation]

naos (Strong's 3485) occurs 46 times in 40 verses:

(Young) Matthew 27:51 and lo, the vail of the sanctuary was rent in two from top unto bottom, and the earth did quake, and the rocks were rent,

(NKJV) Matthew 27:51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split,

Ok I agree, really didn't know that is good to know!! Thanks But what is your point here?

Santiago

 

[icedtea]

. No denomination has jurisdiction over the truth.
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True. The catholic church thinks it does. We know better.