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Is it wrong to touch?
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I know aras hurt your feelings a little here but I think he has a point. Your personal experiences are unique to you and should not be generalized to all of us. I also can sense presences and I have no issues with masturbation. I don't want people lured into false guilt. The sex drive is one of the most powerful human drives and masturbation can be a needed release for some. I would have been totally miserable during my pregnancy without a release. I didn't like the way my subconscious handled things in my dreams. I felt terrible guilt about sleeping around in my dreams (yes I know I shouldn't have felt gult and I'm over it now.) I was always relieved to discover it was only a dream. There was always intense anxiety in the dream that my husband would find out. I did not have dreams like this prior to pregnancy and I don't have them now. My drive has moderated so I could shout with the best of you that "masturbation is a sin" because my needs have changed. I don't require that release anymore. I think it would be dishonest for me to do that considering my history. Also I'm guessing that many arguing against masturbation take matters into their own hands if they get uncomfortable enough.Aras said:
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The Bible condemns any form of sexual intercourse outside of marriage, mastrubation is not sexual intercourse, it isn't sex, it is sexual but not sex.
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People really do love their masturbation. Lol. It's a sexual thing. The desire comes from sexual thoughts. I've never heard of someone who masturbates with a blank mind. You're thinking of someone when you do it. That is wrong. It's a spirit. The same one that goes along with pornography, impure thoughts, fornication etc.... It can easily become an addiction. Get your minds right! If you keep your mind on the things of God, you can control your desires.
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Skinster007 said:
This statement isn't biblical, so I'm curious to see where you're getting it from.
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Skinster007 said:
It is sexual, was that an incorrect statement?
The deisre can come from sexual thoughts it does not have to, more often than not it is our body's hromones kicking in, especially in the case of young men.
No you don't have a blank mind but you don't have to be thinking about drolling over pictures, men sodomizing each other, apostate teachers, unchaste customs or any other such utter nonsense.
Incorrect, well in my case incorrect.
Yes you can and when controlling your desires is the appropriate and right reposnse that is what should be done, sexual desire and mastrubation do not necessarily mean you are unGodly or have unGodly thoughts.
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love = giving to others
lust = getting or desiring for yourself
which do you do when you touch?
lust = getting or desiring for yourself
which do you do when you touch?
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mhatten said:It is sexual, was that an incorrect statement?
The deisre can come from sexual thoughts it does not have to, more often than not it is our body's hromones kicking in, especially in the case of young men.
No you don't have a blank mind but you don't have to be thinking about drolling over pictures, men sodomizing each other, apostate teachers, unchaste customs or any other such utter nonsense.
Incorrect, well in my case incorrect.
Yes you can and when controlling your desires is the appropriate and right reposnse that is what should be done, sexual desire and mastrubation do not necessarily mean you are unGodly or have unGodly thoughts.
When I read this, I immediately knew it was from a woman.
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A. you can touch without any thoughts.
B. you cannot accurately say that someone wouldnt fantasize about "giving" to others.
C. even though masturbation is a self-activity, so is taking a shower, a crap, some food, a bath, watching tv, playing games(possibly), jogging, exercising, and of course scratching your back. ect. ect. And then you could say that masturbations desired as the other ones are because it would allow you to be more focused and have a lower chance of prostrate problems.(lets not bother arguing over the prostrate thing it would end up a source propaganda war because im sure we could post sources from both sides)
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It seems as though that may mean masturbation.
However its just as likely meant to mean adultery.
Would you rather touch or do it with someone(s) else?
However its just as likely meant to mean adultery.
Would you rather touch or do it with someone(s) else?
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If I may add my 2 cents >.>
The Bible says that anyone who commits lust has already commited adultry in his heart.
With masturbation, don't you have to think of something to get yourself aroused so that you can get your 'release'?
And if not, then instead of makeing love to your spouse, you would be (this is an odd comparison, sorry) makeing love to your hand, instead?
I believe masturbation is wrong, yes.
I agree with MickNick's post.
But ofcourse it's not unforgiveable, so you're safe in that sectionXD
If you feel it's wrong in your heart, then you should stop.
I've heard it takes 21 days to make or break a habbit^^ SO COLD TURKEY MY FRIEND!
God bless^^
The Bible says that anyone who commits lust has already commited adultry in his heart.
With masturbation, don't you have to think of something to get yourself aroused so that you can get your 'release'?
And if not, then instead of makeing love to your spouse, you would be (this is an odd comparison, sorry) makeing love to your hand, instead?
I believe masturbation is wrong, yes.
I agree with MickNick's post.
But ofcourse it's not unforgiveable, so you're safe in that sectionXD
If you feel it's wrong in your heart, then you should stop.
I've heard it takes 21 days to make or break a habbit^^ SO COLD TURKEY MY FRIEND!
God bless^^
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Shizzle said:
obviously with someone else but in the context of the verse it is within a healthy marriage that has separated for a time for prayer, and if your sex drive was overwhelming would you be more likely to cheat on your spouse or touch?
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Theophorus said:When I read this, I immediately knew it was from a woman.
And why would that be, or did my gender icon help in your assesment.
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BrotherAtArms said:
From what I understand from reading peoples views and experiences here on this thread, it seems that for some it is not about the thought process more that the "release" comes from the need for the release.
Also for some it is not about love sex or lust.
I have learnt alot from this thread and it has opened my eyes more.
I think its become clear that lust is not appropriate in masturbation.
Nor the excessive use of masturbation.
It is also not appropriate in marriage if it is denying the other partner.
[BIBLE] AMP: 1 Cor 7,
5 Do not refuse and deprive and defraud each other [of your due marital rights], except perhaps by mutual consent for a time, so that you may devote yourselves unhindered to prayer. But afterwards resume marital relations, lest Satan tempt you [to sin] through your lack of restraint of sexual desire.
6 But I am saying this more as a matter of permission and concession, not as a command or regulation.[/BIBLE]
These links given a few pages back seemed to give a very honest and open view I got alot out of these ;
http://www.themarriagebed.com/pages/bible/app/masturbation/masturbationnotcalledsin.shtml
http://www.themarriagebed.com/pages/bible/app/masturbation/mastdiscuss.shtml
http://www.themarriagebed.com/pages/bible/app/masturbation/mastsin.shtml
I have to add that God does not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear and provides a way out.
(Sorry I dont have the bible ref at hand)
I know a Christian guy in his 40's who is still a virgin and has always wanted to be married.
.....Where is Gods way out for him ?
I also know a young Christian male who has been married for four years and never consumated the marriage yet because his wife has issues from her childhood.
.....Likewise where is Gods way out for him ?
Just some food for thought !!!
GOD BLESS !
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