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Is it unChristian to be supportive of Trump?

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It is fine to talk about love for all people and welcoming them into the country but no one is going to sanction allowing everyone who wants to come to enter the country. There are important questions to be asked about who comes, how many come, and the consequences for people already here.

A Christian perspective is expressed by Paul in Galatians 6:10 - "Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers." (NIV)
 
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It is fine to talk about love for all people and welcoming them into the country but no one is going to sanction allowing everyone who wants to come to enter the country. There are important questions to be asked about who comes, how many come, and the consequences for people already here.

A Christian perspective is expressed by Paul in Galatians 6:10 - "Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers." (NIV)
ESPECIALLY those who belong to the family of believers.

That is a pertinent verse to put things in perspective. To love your enemy as yourself first entails understanding what self-love actually means.
I am reminded of the story of Lot, whose love of the stranger was carried to such an extent that it actually became a parody of what hospitality ought to involve. Love of enemy simply ought never include offering up one's daughters for rape in order to protect the stranger. To love your enemy as yourself comes with it the implicit directive that one ought to love oneself.
Love of enemy is put in proper perspective when it grows out of love of the extended family itself.
 
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A lot of Facebook "friends" have told me I am a hypocrite for being for the travel ban. I know it is not a Muslim ban. But all over FB we see memes and articles about how the Christian thing to do is to welcome refugees in, no questions asked, and if we want a better vetting process or a wall, we're bad Christians.

There's a difference between what is morally praiseworthy, and morally obligatory. There's a distinction between our ideals and pragmatic ethical decisions. In an ideal world, there are no terrorists, no nations with borders, etc. (cue John Lennon's Imagine), but we don't live in that world. As Reinhold Niebuhr noted, in a world in which sin is pervasive, love can only be expressed in concrete acts of justice.

One "friend" told me how disturbing it was that someone (myself) who professes to practice a religion of love, would be ignorant and intolerant.

It's important to consider how our words and actions reflect on the witness to our faith. Appearing mean spirited is not a good thing.

Also, concerning abortion and gay marriage, I'm getting real tired of being told I am not a real Christian by people who don't even go to church or read the bible. I actually had a friend say, "If you don't think gays should get married, you're not a real Christian." I feel like the bad guy. Thoughts?

I happen to be pro-gay, but I would never accuse those with different viewpoints of not being a real Christian.
 
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I happen to be pro-gay, but I would never accuse those with different viewpoints of not being a real Christian.
It should be added, in the face of all the outright lies and hysteria surrounding Trump, that he is also very pro-gay as well.
What he is not is anti-christian. The judges and the politicians that are working to drive people out of business, or jail them, or force nuns and the religious to go against their conscience and pay for people's abortions and birth control are the very same judges and politicians that Trump is waving his middle fingers at.
 
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It's important to consider how our words and actions reflect on the witness to our faith. Appearing mean spirited is not a good thing.
BEING mean spirited is wrong. "Appearing" mean spirited is usually what is manipulated by the leftist controlled 'media'. A vast difference.

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I happen to be pro-gay, but I would never accuse those with different viewpoints of not being a real Christian.
"Pro-gay"? What does that mean?

I accept God's condemnation of - among other things - homosexuality, the action. (Along with murder, theft, adultery, gossiping and other things.) I am against changing the Christian definition of marriage to fit the leanings of societal whimsy.

None of which means I am against people who do any of the Divine proscribed things mentioned in the Bible. Much as I have never been against my children enjoying themselves and life in general, I did not allow them to do self-harming things excused by 'enjoyment'. (Like eating candy to the point of projectile vomiting.)

I am not opposed to sexual contact between males and females. I am opposed to casual and indiscriminate sexual activity. Sexual relations under God's plan and will are intended as exclusive and permanent. (Marriage, in other words.)

The problem is in convincing those who want to engage in sinful actions to recognize the self-destructive nature of sin.
 
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I believe that turning away those in need is not the way of Christ. It is an act of fear springing from lack of faith in God for protection, and it is not right to turn the back on those in need. I believe it to be the opposite of the teachings of Christ.
Turning those in need away is not the way of Christ, how ever there is nothing wrong with identifying those that want to do us harm and not let them in.
 
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I believe that to comply with Paul's teaching we need, as Christians, to support the President of the United States. It is not a matter of what we think about the man as a person. Paul may have had personal views about the Roman governors he encountered and Emperor Nero, but he never criticised them in any of his letters. He required believers to respect the offices they occupied. To openly oppose, rebel against, ridicule or criticise the President is committing treason against the country and its leader. Doing this can bring the Christian church into disrepute by making it to appear to be abandoning its political neutrality.

Also siding with the media against the President may result in siding with the lying spirits that are influencing its negative comments and "news".
 
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A lot of Facebook "friends" have told me I am a hypocrite for being for the travel ban. I know it is not a Muslim ban. But all over FB we see memes and articles about how the Christian thing to do is to welcome refugees in, no questions asked, and if we want a better vetting process or a wall, we're bad Christians. One "friend" told me how disturbing it was that someone (myself) who professes to practice a religion of love, would be ignorant and intolerant.

Also, concerning abortion and gay marriage, I'm getting real tired of being told I am not a real Christian by people who don't even go to church or read the bible. I actually had a friend say, "If you don't think gays should get married, you're not a real Christian." I feel like the bad guy. Thoughts?

Emperor Constantine was a not a genuine Christian, yet he greatly benefited the Church and Rome. Trump is not genuinely saved, yet he has and will continue to benefit the Church and the nation. Of course Christians should support Trump and his temporary travel ban.

A Christian is no more a nation than a nation is a Christian. Too many professing Christians effectively treat them as the same as pertains to Christian duty/rights/privileges and refugee/immigration policy.

Christians should not impose the same standards on a nation, as a whole, as would be applied to individual Christians. Concerning safety and security, it's a huge mistake to claim that certain covenant rights and privileges that apply to individual Christians also apply to a nation as a whole when said nation contains a large population of unsaved, God-hating persons.

If you refuse entry into your personal home to a stranger that you believe might pose a threat or danger to your household, are you not loving them? I think not, not if God has not commanded otherwise in that particular situation.

Just because I, as a Christian under the protection of the Almighty, can safely allow an immigrant/Muslim to stay in my home, does not mean I should impose the same thing on a person who is godless. Should I tell a godless person that they should allow a Muslim or immigrant to stay within the walls of their home and that they will be safe in doing so? Of course not.

Indeed, as a Christian who is guided and protected by the Holy Spirit, God Almighty just might tell me to allow a Muslim or immigrant to move into my home to stay for a certain period of time. And if He does so, then He will provide the grace to make it so. But you see, I have access to God's divine provision in terms of protection and other things. But can I say the same for America that is composed, to a great extent, of people that has rejected God? Should the nation of America just allow strangers (many of whom care nothing for traditional American values and biblical principles) to flood its borders considering that so many American's have rejected God's divine protection? America is not the praying nation it once was. However, that being said, over the last two years I have noticed a significant change regarding prayer in America. I believe that change will continue.

In addition, just as a parent's primary duty is to his/her children in regards to care and safety, so to Americans are Trump's primary responsibility, not foreign nationals.

Careless and irresponsible immigration and refugee policy creates much greater evil than it can potentially solve.
 
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Is it unchristian to be supportive of Trump? Not if we believe the Bible (Romans 13:1-2, 1 Timothy 2:1-30, 1 Peter 2:13-15). That does not mean we have to agree with all his policies.

We could also ask if it is unchristian to hate Trump. People who constantly post only negative things about President Trump obviously have a personal antipathy towards him.
 
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Emperor Constantine was a not a genuine Christian, yet he greatly benefited the Church and Rome. Trump is not genuinely saved, yet he has and will continue to benefit the Church and the nation. Of course Christians should support Trump and his temporary travel ban.

A Christian is no more a nation than a nation is a Christian. Too many professing Christians effectively treat them as the same as pertains to Christian duty/rights/privileges and refugee/immigration policy.

Christians should not impose the same standards on a nation, as a whole, as would be applied to individual Christians . Concerning safety and security, it's a huge mistake to claim that the covenant rights and privileges that apply to individual Christians also apply to a nation as a whole when said nation contains a large population of unsaved, God-hating persons.

If you refuse entry into your personal home to a stranger that you believe might pose a threat or danger to your household, are you not loving them? I think not, not if God has not commanded otherwise in that particular situation.

Just because I, as a Christian under the protection of the Almighty, can safely allow an immigrant/Muslim to stay in my home, does not mean I should impose the same thing on a person who is godless. Should I tell a godless person that they should allow a Muslim or immigrant to stay within the walls of their home and that they will be safe in doing so? Of course not.

Indeed, as a Christian who is guided and protected by the Holy Spirit, God Almighty just might tell me to allow a Muslim or immigrant to move into my home to stay for a certain period of time. And if He does so, then He will provide the grace to make it so. But you see, I have access to God's divine provision in terms of protection and other things. But can I say the same for America that is composed, to a great extent, of people that has rejected God? Should the nation of America just allow strangers (many of whom care nothing for traditional American values and biblical principles) to flood its borders considering that so many American's have rejected God's divine protection? America is not the Praying nation it once was. However, that being said, over the last two years I have noticed a significant change regarding prayer in America. I believe that change will continue.

In addition, just as a parent's primary duty is to his/her children in regards to care and safety, so to Americans is Trump's primary responsibility. Not foreign nationals.

Careless and irresponsible immigration and refugee policy creates much greater evil than it would potentially solve.
Please tell me how do you know he is not genuinely saved, do you feel that Hillary is genuinely saved.
 
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Emperor Constantine was a not a genuine Christian, yet he greatly benefited the Church and Rome. Trump is not genuinely saved, yet he has and will continue to benefit the Church and the nation. Of course Christians should support Trump and his temporary travel ban.

A Christian is no more a nation than a nation is a Christian. Too many professing Christians effectively treat them as the same as pertains to Christian duty/rights/privileges and refugee/immigration policy.

Christians should not impose the same standards on a nation, as a whole, as would be applied to individual Christians . Concerning safety and security, it's a huge mistake to claim that the covenant rights and privileges that apply to individual Christians also apply to a nation as a whole when said nation contains a large population of unsaved, God-hating persons.

If you refuse entry into your personal home to a stranger that you believe might pose a threat or danger to your household, are you not loving them? I think not, not if God has not commanded otherwise in that particular situation.

Just because I, as a Christian under the protection of the Almighty, can safely allow an immigrant/Muslim to stay in my home, does not mean I should impose the same thing on a person who is godless. Should I tell a godless person that they should allow a Muslim or immigrant to stay within the walls of their home and that they will be safe in doing so? Of course not.

Indeed, as a Christian who is guided and protected by the Holy Spirit, God Almighty just might tell me to allow a Muslim or immigrant to move into my home to stay for a certain period of time. And if He does so, then He will provide the grace to make it so. But you see, I have access to God's divine provision in terms of protection and other things. But can I say the same for America that is composed, to a great extent, of people that has rejected God? Should the nation of America just allow strangers (many of whom care nothing for traditional American values and biblical principles) to flood its borders considering that so many American's have rejected God's divine protection? America is not the Praying nation it once was. However, that being said, over the last two years I have noticed a significant change regarding prayer in America. I believe that change will continue.

In addition, just as a parent's primary duty is to his/her children in regards to care and safety, so to Americans is Trump's primary responsibility. Not foreign nationals.

Careless and irresponsible immigration and refugee policy creates much greater evil than it would potentially solve.
Very good points.
 
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It is interesting to me that the most effective healing evangelist of the 20th Century, Smith Wigglesworth, who had the glory of God around him so intensely that many could not stand it when they tried to pray alongside him for any length of time, would not read any newspapers, because he believed they contained nothing but lies. He would not even have one in his home, as Lester Sumrall found out when he went to visit him for the first time in the 1930s. I reckon if more Christian believers had the same attitude to the news media, we would see the positiveness of President Trump more clearly and support him more strongly.
 
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It is interesting to me that the most effective healing evangelist of the 20th Century, Smith Wigglesworth, who had the glory of God around him so intensely that many could not stand it when they tried to pray alongside him for any length of time, would not read any newspapers, because he believed they contained nothing but lies. He would not even have one in his home, as Lester Sumrall found out when he went to visit him for the first time in the 1930s. I reckon if more Christian believers had the same attitude to the news media, we would see the positiveness of President Trump more clearly and support him more strongly.
I wish there were some Smith Wigglesworths treading our shores. We should be praying the Lord will raise them up all over the world. Serious prayer.
 
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A lot of Facebook "friends" have told me I am a hypocrite for being for the travel ban. I know it is not a Muslim ban. But all over FB we see memes and articles about how the Christian thing to do is to welcome refugees in, no questions asked, and if we want a better vetting process or a wall, we're bad Christians. One "friend" told me how disturbing it was that someone (myself) who professes to practice a religion of love, would be ignorant and intolerant.

Also, concerning abortion and gay marriage, I'm getting real tired of being told I am not a real Christian by people who don't even go to church or read the bible. I actually had a friend say, "If you don't think gays should get married, you're not a real Christian." I feel like the bad guy. Thoughts?

In all honesty, this person isn't much of a "friend" if they resort to calling you names, as their only response to your opinions. Friends, even strangers, can disagree and debate in a civil way, regardless of the topic. If they can't, they are lacking the emotional maturity to carry on any dialog. I would encourage you to find educated Christian friends.

"Don't be deceived, don't let bad company corrupt good morals." ~ 1 Corinthians 15:23
 
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But it seem as if all of the Anti-Trumpies are in the cults. And so I believes that Supporting President Trump is good.. They are not even ashamed of this behavior at all. And so that it shows that they has been practicing this for a very long time. That satanic worshiper has been infiltrating the government and the workplaces...

Genesis 12:3 I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.”
 
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