Is it truly bad to sin?

[1stcenturylady]

We may vary in that I think we are covered until we go over board with sin, don't care, no longer repent, or ask forgiveness....go back to sin as a lifestyle.

There is a distinct narrow path/wide road, one leads to destruction, the other to salvation.

The point is, our personal thoughts about something are not worth a hill of beans, because they are from a human standpoint. We cannot superimpose things like "cover" when referring to what Christ's blood did for us. That is wrong from the take-off. And when you are a little off at take off you may wind up in the ocean!

The blood of bulls and goats covered our individual sins, while they were still there, and had to be repented of and covered again over and over. To believe Christ's blood does the same thing, is blasphemous. That is that whole doctrine of continual repentance over sins you keep committing. NO! Christ's blood took away, not just covered up, our whole sin nature, not just an individual sin here and there.

And only those who have experienced the removal of the sin nature know what I'm talking about. Everyone else wants to argue, not with scripture we could discuss, but with regurgitated phrases from false teachers. Kenny, I'm not talking about you. I don't know if you are a stubborn mule or not. But there ARE those who just don't care what Jesus actually accomplished, loving their pat phrases instead.

 

[Alithis]

I don't say we willfully sin and want to. I say we sin at times because we're human and make mistakes. No Christ follower should want to sin. That's what forgiveness is for. The scripture says confess your sins so that you may be saved. It's a continual thing in the life of a Christian. So are you saying you believe when you become a Christian you don't sin anymore? And that you are sinless?

i'm saying we don't willfully sin any more once we very quickly grow up.. we "have sin"in ways we cant at times know of. i'm not talking about that kind of sin we should pray about that kind of sin .there is a sin unto death we should not pray about that or do it .. what is it ? it is when we go and do a thing we know is absolutely wrong to do and we absolutely know it is .. i mean if i go and hate some one so much i then rise up and murder them , im not headed to heaven .that would be a sin unto death for me ...but it would have begun with the sin of taking offense .. and being offended .we can pray about that and deal with it . then it led to UNforgiveness then it led to HATE ( or vice versa ) then it bore forth the fruit of MURDER . we became murderous of heart , no fruit of the holy Spirit in that ,no spirit of Christ in us .
you see you (hopefuly unwittingly) imply that we can sin sins we KNOW are sin- accidentally . but that is simply NOT true . that is not messing up that is willfully sinning .
now some take all this as condemnation ..they should not they should take it for what it is .. the gospel .there is HOPE . if they have been continuously repeating the same sin over and over and they KNOW its sin.. then they need to believe on the lord Jesus ,repent get baptized receive the Holy Spirit and THROUGH that action of obedient faith become BORN anew .then they will be free and wont be a slave to it any more .
most people who continue to sin knowing they are doing so .. A- are not born again yet they just attend church .B have not yet renewed their minds to realize they DO NOT HAVE TO SIN and that NO ONE IS MAKING THEM DO SO- they are choosing to .

the scripture is very clear on what are the works of sin -so DONT DO THOSE things . only a person who is a slave to sin does sin against thier own will . one who is a slave to righteousness does the opposite .if we turn again and use our bodies to serve sin we WILL, by our own will,become slaves to it again and NO ONE can save us then.Christ cannot die again -as scripture states there is no more sacrifice for sin.

dont merge the two kinds of sin as one . there is a sin of ignorance and a knowledgeably sin .
the latter is made known to you by the holy Spirit ,once it is you cant keep doing it if you love JESUS .you would have to tell Jesus to go away and be quiet ,so you can do it . (ie trample him under foot )
there is also a far worse sin then both and it is the type that will shock most people on the day of his coming ..the sin of omission . of knowing what we are to do and Not doing it ..because it is disobedient and the disobedient do not inherit the kingdom of god .

 

[Alithis]

The point is, our personal thoughts about something are not worth a hill of beans, because they are from a human standpoint. We cannot superimpose things like "cover" when referring to what Christ's blood did for us. That is wrong from the take-off. And when you are a little off at take off you may wind up in the ocean!

The blood of bulls and goats covered our individual sins, while they were still there, and had to be repented of and covered again over and over. To believe Christ's blood does the same thing, is blasphemous. That is that whole doctrine of continual repentance over sins you keep committing. NO! Christ's blood took away, not just covered up, our whole sin nature, not just an individual sin here and there.

And only those who have experienced the removal of the sin nature know what I'm talking about. Everyone else wants to argue, not with scripture we could discuss, but with regurgitated phrases from false teachers. Kenny, I'm not talking about you. I don't know if you are a stubborn mule or not. But there ARE those who just don't care what Jesus actually accomplished, loving their pat phrases instead.

yes -that warped sunday communion doctrine is so false .. every sunday you stand before God asking forgiveness for the sin you sinned that your planning to sin again .
why dont you just stand there and spit in Gods face .. hmm time for a thread on communion

 

[Alithis]

is sin truly bad ? YES as sure as GOD is truly Good .sin fades stains destroys isolates depresses kills murders torments rots degenerates ...you get the picture .
God creates bring life sustains and is an eternal source of joy and life -doing what God says keeps us In life
opposing what god says keeps us Out of Life .

 

[1stcenturylady]

im saying we don't willfully sin any more once we very quickly grow up..

That "quickly growing up period" is called "being sanctified," or "being saved."

I'm just learning about Glorification. That is the process that has been mis-termed sanctification all these years. Sanctification is actually us being set apart unto good works. It is the by-product of justification, and happens at the same time, or should unless one is a bit slow and are still being drawn - being sanctified - being saved due to lack of commitment. One is not even justified until they repent from their sin nature. Knowing about Jesus and sitting in church doesn't cut it. Unless there is such a thing as "being justified." We must be born again. I'm busy doing word studies on all this.

 

[Alithis]

That "quickly growing up period" is called "being sanctified," or "being saved."

I'm just learning about Glorification. That is the process that has been mis-termed sanctification all these years. Sanctification is actually us being set apart unto good works. It is the by-product of justification, and happens at the same time, or should unless one is a bit slow and are still being drawn - being sanctified - being saved due to lack of commitment. One is not even justified until they repent from their sin nature. Unless there is such a thing as "being justified." We must be born again. I'm busy doing word studies on all this.

"a process mis-termed as sanctification..." -now picture me with chin in hand and brow furrowed " haha .will look into this .

 

[1stcenturylady]

"a process mis-termed as sanctification..." -now picture me with chin in hand and brow furrowed " haha .will look into this .

I noticed it used in the past tense, so it got me looking into it.

Hebrews 10:29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?

 

[Alithis]

I noticed it used in the past tense, so it got me looking into it.

Hebrews 10:29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?

important to look for those present past and future tenses in scripture - ignore they can change the entire meaning
like those always looking for future special anointings .

 

[1stcenturylady]

important to look for those present past and future tenses in scripture - ignore they can change the entire meaning
like those always looking for future special anointings .

Future special annointings? Like what?

Maybe you mean the fallacy that the blood of Jesus covers our "past, present and future sins" That is an assumption straight from the pit. It not only sacrifices Christ for our past sin, but again for the ones we are knowingly committing now, and the ones we have no strength not to commit in the future!

That reminds me of the paintings of a scrawny Jesus.

It is the sin nature that sins, and THAT is what the blood of Jesus TOOK AWAY. Not just "covered" - another ignorant word.

I'm saying you don't commit the present and future sins in the first place. We are cleansed of our PAST sins, full stop, and sanctified (set apart for good works). Without the sin nature, we don't sin. And now our free will is free to grow in righteousness and glorification.

Past, present and future implies covering the sins you are going to commit as if you don't have a choice, and itching ears have lapped it up.

 

[1stcenturylady]

"a process mis-termed as sanctification..." -now picture me with chin in hand and brow furrowed " haha .will look into this .

2 Corinthians 3:18

But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Isn't one going from glory to glory being glorified?

2 Peter 1:2-4 New King James Version (NKJV)
2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

This is why a true Christian doesn't commit willful sin. His seed is in us.

 

[SkyWriting]

If God created the person's will and circumstance, knew the outcome of his sin, and did nohing about it, was is then truly 'bad' for the murderer to commit murder?

It got you to consider the problem, and that might have been Gods soul purpose!

 

[Kenny'sID]

That's what I believe. I don't know how we differ. I don't think willfully and blatantly sinning is okay. That's not what I said and it seems my words are being misinterpreted. I don't believe in the whole popular belief that grace is an excuse to sin. By no means. Romans is clear. All I said was we will make mistakes. We as Christians are being sanctified and it is a process. But I don't believe that Christians can say they don't sin at all. That's what forgiveness is for. Again it's not willfull sin, it's because you are growing and make mistakes in the process.

That's why I said I "may", because I wasn't quite clear on what you were saying, and no intention of misrepresentation. I think when you said "we are still covered" or something close to that, you possibly meant no matter what. My mistake.

At any rate, glad to hear it. It always does my heart good to know there are those who will stand for whats real, not what some want to be real, so it becomes real in their minds.

 

[Phil 1:21]

At first I thought "How is this even a question?" Then I remembered the discussions I've had (some right here) with "Christians" who don't even believe Jesus told us not to sin. Honestly, with all the itching ears nothing much surprises me anymore.

 

[Kenny'sID]

The point is, our personal thoughts about something are not worth a hill of beans, because they are from a human standpoint. We cannot superimpose things like "cover" when referring to what Christ's blood did for us. That is wrong from the take-off. And when you are a little off at take off you may wind up in the ocean!

What are you calling "personal thoughts"?

You replied to a post that mentioned the narrow path(do our best to be good) or the wide road to destruction (sin as we like) something that is not personal thought, but completely biblical.

 

[Kenny'sID]

At first I thought "How is this even a question?" Then I remembered the discussions I've had (some right here) with "Christians" who don't even believe Jesus told us not to sin. Honestly, with all the itching ears nothing much surprises me anymore.

Agree, I mean since I was a kid, these biblical basics have been known to everyone... atheist, christian whoever...be good go to heaven, be bad and don't. And sure, there's a bit more to it, but the basics remain the same. I liked the following comment:

its Taoism being presented at the heart of it - a doctrine of devils.. questioning and undermining obvious truth .

It's the perfect doctrine for Satan...get everyone to think sin is not a problem unto salvation, exactly what they would prefer to think...he gets his souls, and right here in the last days where it's critical for him to turn up the heat. Those that are more interested in self than God, get exactly what they, in affect, choose...sin over God, and the perks that go with that.

Off to look up Taoism.

 

[1stcenturylady]

What are you calling "personal thoughts"?

You replied to a post that mentioned the narrow path(do our best to be good) or the wide road to destruction (sin as we like) something that is not personal thought, but completely biblical.

You said, "I think..." That is what that was about.

 

[Kenny'sID]

You said, "I think..." That is what that was about.

You have got to be kidding.

Let me put it this way as well, do you not "think" there is a narrow path and a wide road, both leading to where I said?

 

[1stcenturylady]

You have got to be kidding.

Let me put it this way as well, do you not "think" there is a narrow path and a wide road, both leading to where I said?

Of course. I wasn't referring to that. Let me go back and see what caught my eye.

Edit: This is the paragraph I was referring to. "We may vary in that I think we are covered until we go over board with sin, don't care, no longer repent, or ask forgiveness....go back to sin as a lifestyle." And "covered" was the word that jumped out as wrong, based from the wrong concept it comes from. The false doctrine is that the blood of Jesus only covers our sin. Is that what you really believe? If not, then cover was a poor choice of words.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Of course. I wasn't referring to that. Let me go back and see what caught my eye.

Edit: This is the paragraph I was referring to. "We may vary in that I think we are covered until we go over board with sin, don't care, no longer repent, or ask forgiveness....go back to sin as a lifestyle." And "covered" was the word that jumped out as wrong, based from the wrong concept it comes from. The false doctrine is that the blood of Jesus only covers our sin. Is that what you really believe? If not, then cover was a poor choice of words.

Except for one thing, you know better, on what I "think" and not even sure why I'm explaining this, if you are going to clutch at every straw possible in defense, your going to do that, but "I think" also describes something we feel is fact.

Give it a try, add the right emphases, and there there have it. Also, loo, closely at what the word actually means, but I think you are aware of all this and it's just as I suggested...clutching.

 

[Melissa Suzanne]

That's why I said I "may", because I wasn't quite clear on what you were saying, and no intention of misrepresentation. I think when you said "we are still covered" or something close to that, you possibly meant no matter what. My mistake.

At any rate, glad to hear it. It always does my heart good to know there are those who will stand for whats real, not what some want to be real, so it becomes real in their minds.