Is it time for Donald to bow out? (MOVED)

[Albion]

Yeah, I really don't think that covers all the points that I made towards Trump and how he is not fit to be a president.


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Yes, I'd like to have George Washington or Ronald Reagan myself. But you only get the two people that the parties put up for us to choose between. The choice between Obama and McCain wasn't very appealing, either. Or between Bush and Gore, etc. I still didn't cut off my nose in order to spite my face because of it.

 

[civilwarbuff]

I agree, especially if she appoints her cronies to positions of responsibility; and by crony I mean those who do who her bidding unquestioningly.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Is the person that you can "look up to and stand behind" Hillary Clinton?

While she is not somebody I would vote for currently (for Christian moral reasons), if God told me to vote for her (because my vote would make a difference), I would do so. Remember, David was far from perfect. Yet, the LORD chose His throne will endure forever (with Jesus being the head of that throne). I can at least sit in the same room with the woman and talk with her intelligently and respect her to lead this country. Perfectly? Well, nobody is perfect. But she has a better head on her shoulders then Trump and I am praying that she will win and lead this country successfully so as to glorify God and His Kingdom.

But Trump is just a disaster waiting to happen. Look out how he turns off so many people and how disgusting he can be. Look at how he had to file for bankrupcy. A good business man should be prosperous. A good business man should be a person that people can respect and say that he has a good reputation. A good business man should be likeable. Now, folks want him to be commander in chief? What are they thinking? The alternative choice is clearly Hillary by comparison.


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[Albion]

I agree, especially if she appoints her cronies to positions of responsibility; and by crony I mean those who do who her bidding unquestioningly.

Which, doubtless, will be the kind of people she will appoint. Those are the kinds of people she appointed before as Secretary--or persuaded her husband to appoint when he was president. Worse, they not only were cronies, they were incompetents.

 

[brinny]

While she is not somebody I would vote for currently (for Christian moral reasons), if God told me to vote for her (because my vote would make a difference), I would do so. Remember, David was far from perfect. Yet, the LORD chose His throne will endure forever (with Jesus being the head of that throne). I can at least sit in the same room with the woman and talk with her intelligently and respect her to lead this country. Perfectly? Well, nobody is perfect. But she has a better head on her shoulders then Trump and I am praying that she will win and lead this country successfully so as to glorify God and His Kingdom.

But Trump is just a disaster waiting to happen. Look out how he turns off so many people and how disgusting he can be. Look at how he had to file for bankrupcy. A good business man should be prosperous. A good business man should be a person that people can respect and say that he has a good reputation. A good business man should be likeable. The alternative choice is clearly Hillary by comparison.


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The people of Haiti may not agree with you (amongst others).

i can elaborate if you wish.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Yes, I'd like to have George Washington or Ronald Reagan myself. But you only get the two people that the parties put up for us to choose between. The choice between Obama and McCain wasn't very appealing, either. Or between Bush and Gore, etc. I still didn't cut off my nose in order to spite my face because of it.

I would vote for Hillary in a heart beat if God told me to do so. For I never had an interest in voting before (until now). But these are current world affairs (and unless God tells me to vote, I am going to let the world go down it's own path while I follow Jesus and His Kingdom); Also, this nation is not exactly like Israel once was (Whereby it was nation appointed by God to do His will). People like to think we are a Christian nation. But we really are not. The times are also getting darker here in America. Immorality is being more widely accepted (even among Christians).


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[Albion]

While she is not somebody I would vote for currently (for Christian moral reasons), if God told me to vote for her (because my vote would make a difference), I would do so.

I can't dispute that--obviously. So if the Lord personally appears to you and tells you to vote for Hillary Clinton, you won't get an argument out of me. It's voting for her in the absence of such a directive that disappoints me.

But Trump is just a disaster waiting to happen. Look out how he turns off so many people and how disgusting he can be. Look at how he had to file for bankrupcy. A good business man should be prosperous. A good business man should be a person that people can respect and say that he has a good reputation. A good business man should be likeable. The alternative choice is clearly Hillary by comparison.

Well, this is just misinformation, Jason. By all accounts, he turns off no more people than Hillary does. Ten thousand people will show up for one of his speeches while 300 will turn out for one of hers. And as for that "file for bankruptcy" claim the Dems have been riding, he's never declared bankruptcy personally but has, as a "good businessman" filed for bankruptcy on several (four, I think it is) of his many business ventures. You say he should be prosperous? What do you call starting with a loan of several hundred millions and then making himself a multi-billionaire out it, if not "prosperous?" He didn't sell political appointments like Hillary, that's for sure.

 

[Landon Caeli]

So, after the latest revelation is it time for Donald to bow out? Why or why not? Please let's be adults about this; no polemics which is the reason I posted this here instead of News and Curent Events. Just state your reason for or against based on what you feel fairly certain to be true.

What's the latest revelation?

 

[civilwarbuff]

What's the latest revelation?

Don't get out much, huh? LOL
The language can be coarse.....http://www.theatlantic.com/liveblogs/2016/10/trumps-tape-scandal-the-latest-updates/503480/

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The people of Haiti may not agree with you (amongst others).

i can elaborate if you wish.

It's a nice smoke and mirrors play by Trump. But Hillary has actually donated millions to Haiti. Something Trump has never done prior to running for President.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...for-a-hospital-in-haiti-that-was-never-built/

And let's just say the story is partly true. What about all the money and charity that the Clintons have contributed? They visited their country and were involved. Should we just sweep all that help under the rug? Now, if the Clintons didn't give a dime to Haiti, then that would be another story.

In fact, Trump is the least charitable billionaire out there. Did he help Haiti in the same way the Clintons did?

http://newsexaminer.net/politics/donald-trump-the-least-charitable-billionaire/

Stop and think.

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[Basil the Great]

Well, it is effectively too late to change ballots in many states. However, I believe that to step down now would save him and the Party a lot of grief on Election Night. Such a move might well save the Republican Senate and would certainly save the Republican House. Perhaps half of the state ballots could still be changed to reflect a new Presidential ticket and this would still be important in those states ti protect the down ballot candidates.

 

[Albion]

It's nice smoke and mirrors play by Trump.

Trump? That revelation about the Clinton Foundation defrauding the people of Haiti was known before Trump said anything about it.

Not everyone was paying attention, apparently, and of course they can be excused to some extent, considering that the suffering of the people of Haiti and the flim-flam committed by his opponent don't seem very newsworthy to the media giants.

 

[Albion]

Well, it is effectively too late to change ballots in many states. However, I believe that to step down now would save him and the Party a lot of grief on Election Night. Such a move might well save the Republican Senate and would certainly save the Republican House. Perhaps half of the state ballots could still be changed to reflect a new Presidential ticket and this would still be important in those states ti protect the down ballot candidates.

Obviously, he's not going to step down. Calling for it is just a PR move on the part of the people who have been opposed to him since he declared his candidacy.

That aside, it does raise an interesting question. No, we cannot have an election in which some, but not others, of the states do not have the bona fide nominee of one of the parties on their ballots. What would happen (other than Obama declaring himself king) if something happened to one of the nominees has no precedent in US history, at least not that I can think of.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Trump? That revelation about the Clinton Foundation defrauding the people of Haiti was known before Trump said anything about it.

Not everyone was paying attention, apparently, and of course they can be excused to some extent, considering that the suffering of the people of Haiti and the flim-flam committed by his opponent don't seem very newsworthy to the media giants.

People can make up stories all they like. It could be a few disgruntled people desiring more money from the Clintons making up a story so as to make them look bad. You just don't know. But the fact of the matter is that the Clintons have been over to Haiti and have contributed millions to Haiti. If they didn't give them a dime to help then that would be a different story. But they have helped them a lot. But let's say the story is true. It's their money and they are free to change their mind with their own money (and they have contributed greatly for them). Has Trump helped the Haiti people in the same way the Clintons have done before the Presidential race? Surely not.

Also, when I say smoke and mirrors play by Trump: I am saying that he is acting like the Clintons have never given the Haiti people any kind of money (When this is not true). He is a hypocrite because he himself has not helped them in the same way the Clintons have done and now he is acting all concerned because he wants to win an election to be president.


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[Colter]

So, after the latest revelation is it time for Donald to bow out? Why or why not? Please let's be adults about this; no polemics which is the reason I posted this here instead of News and Curent Events. Just state your reason for or against based on what you feel fairly certain to be true.

He should get out, he's not fit for the Job. He's a disgraceful representative of conservatism.

 

[Albion]

People can make up stories all they like. It could be a few disgruntled people desiring more money from the Clintons making up a story so as to make them look bad.

I'm sorry. I thought, from your earlier posts, that you were sincerely offended by the recent playing of Trump's comments from 11 years ago. And then I thought that you might just have been a little bit late in coming to the news of the Haiti scandal.

But the fact of the matter is that the Clintons have been over to Haiti and have contributed millions to Haiti. If they didn't give them a dime to help then that would be a different story.

How about if they give a dime out of every dollar that was contributed to the foundation by people who thought their dollar would go to charity? Even a routine pyramid scheme gives back some money for a little while in order to keep up appearances.

 

[brinny]

It's nice smoke and mirrors play by Trump. But Hillary has actually donated millions to Haiti. Something Trump has never done prior to running for President.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...for-a-hospital-in-haiti-that-was-never-built/

And let's just say the story is partly true. What about all the money and charity that the Clintons have contributed? They visited their country and were involved. Should we just sweep all that help under the rug? Now, if the Clintons didn't give a dime to Haiti, then that would be another story.

In fact, Trump is the least charitable billionaire out there. Did he help Haiti in the same way the Clintons did?

http://newsexaminer.net/politics/donald-trump-the-least-charitable-billionaire/

Stop and think.

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The Haitian people may not agree with you.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I can't dispute that--obviously. So if the Lord personally appears to you and tells you to vote for Hillary Clinton, you won't get an argument out of me. It's voting for her in the absence of such a directive that disappoints me.

I also would vote for Hillary if I knew that it was super close in the votes so as to keep Trump from winning.

Well, this is just misinformation, Jason. By all accounts, he turns off no more people than Hillary does. Ten thousand people will show up for one of his speeches while 300 will turn out for one of hers. And as for that "file for bankruptcy" claim the Dems have been riding, he's never declared bankruptcy personally but has, as a "good businessman" filed for bankruptcy on several (four, I think it is) of his many business ventures. You say he should be prosperous? What do you call starting with a loan of several hundred millions and then making himself a multi-billionaire out it, if not "prosperous?" He didn't sell political appointments like Hillary, that's for sure.

Popularity does not make a person better morally or more intelligent. Nor does popularity declare a person fit to run this country, either. The vast majority of people do not follow Jesus Christ. So should we follow the crowd then? Surely not.

As for him being a business man: He is a Billionaire. But I would not want to set foot in one of his hotels and give him any money because he is such a hurtful person. He is hurtful in words and in his deeds. He has not paid certain workers when they did a job. He said, "Maybe they didn't do a good job." as to why he didn't pay them. That to me is not a business man who is succesful. Sure, he may have a lot of money, but if he has no heart and he steps on the people to get where he is at, then has no right to be President. What do you think he is going to change? Surely not.


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[Bible Highlighter]

The Haitian people may not agree with you.

So we are to believe a few disgruntled people who may simply want more money from the Clintons? Even if the Clintons did plan to do something for the Haiti people and they decided not to do it later, it's their money and they already contributed greatly to the Haiti people. If they didn't give them a dime, then that would be a different story. But you are acting like the Clintons did not help them when this is not true.


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[Bible Highlighter]

I'm sorry. I thought, from your earlier posts, that you were sincerely offended by the recent playing of Trump's comments from 11 years ago. And then I thought that you might just have been a little bit late in coming to the news of the Haiti scandal.

How about if they give a dime out of every dollar that was contributed to the foundation by people who thought their dollar would go to charity? Even a routine pyramid scheme gives back some money for a little while in order to keep up appearances.

Your missing the point. The Clintons gave milllions to the Haiti people. They been over there and helped them. You are acting like this didn't happen. A change of their mind with their money (if that did happen) does not undo their charitable contribution. What has Trump done with the Haiti people? Did he do the same like the Clintons? Surely not.


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