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IS IT SIN TO BREAK THE 10 COMMANDMENTS? (Yep!)

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I agree that Saul the Pharisee tried to be justified/saved by law alone.
It is not a theory that you cannot be justified by law un less you faultlessly obey it, it is a biblical fact.

Not true, my friend.

Please click on the following spoiler button to check out a list of verses that say otherwise.

After we are saved by God's grace,
God’s works (done through us) are also required as a part of the Salvation Process:


(Here are a List of Verses):


“Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." (James 2:24).

"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.” (James 2:17-18).

"They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." (Titus 1:16).

"If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, "(1 Timothy 6:3-4).

"...God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble." (James 4:6).

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? (Romans 6:1-2).

"And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him." (Hebrews 5:9).

"Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord" (Hebrews 12:14).

“...God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth” (2 Thessalonians 2:13).

“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” (Romans 8:13).

"If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha." (1 Corinthians 16:22).

"If ye love me, keep my commandments." (John 14:15).

“If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.” (John 15:10).

"And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me." (Matthew 10:38).

”If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? (Matthew 16:24-26).

"...No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God." (Luke 9:62).

“Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.” (Matthew 5:8).

"Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls." (James 1:21).

"But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God." (Romans 2:8-11).

”And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.” (Revelation 22:12-15).

"For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved." (John 3:20).

“For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Romans 11:21-22).

"...but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." (Matthew 19:17).

“Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” (Philippians 2:12).

“...And having become servants of God, ye have your fruit unto holiness and the end, everlasting life.” (Romans 6:22).

”Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.” (Matthew 25:34-40).

“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.” (Matthew 25:41-46).

”His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.” (Matthew 25:21).

”And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (Matthew 25:30).

”Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation [i.e. as the people of Israel did when they rebelled against him in the desert.”] (Hebrews 3:12-15) (Note: The explanation on verse 15 in brackets is taken from the Living Bible Translation (TLB)).

”Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)” (Hebrews 3:10-11).

”Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. (Hebrews 4:11).

“In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:10).

“He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God” (John 8:47).

You said:
I have not suggested anything about prior to entering a saved state.

But doesn't grace wipe out sin even with confession? (1 John 1:9).
Does not confession cleanse us from all unrighteousness?
Would that not be unrighteous deeds in our life?

You said:
Please give me an example of a non moral law which the pharisees failed to obey

Yeah, I hear some (and not all) Eternal Security proponents say this one a lot, but they appear to have never read Matthew 23:23, and or Luke 11:42 before.

Anyways, I already gave you the verses in my previous post. But here they are again.

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone." (Matthew 23:23).

"But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone." (Luke 11:42).
 
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Not true, my friend.

Please click on the following spoiler button to check out a list of verses that say otherwise.

After we are saved by God's grace,
God’s works (done through us) are also required as a part of the Salvation Process:


(Here are a List of Verses):


“Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." (James 2:24).

"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.” (James 2:17-18).

"They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." (Titus 1:16).

"If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, "(1 Timothy 6:3-4).

"...God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble." (James 4:6).

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? (Romans 6:1-2).

"And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him." (Hebrews 5:9).

"Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord" (Hebrews 12:14).

“...God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth” (2 Thessalonians 2:13).

“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” (Romans 8:13).

"If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha." (1 Corinthians 16:22).

"If ye love me, keep my commandments." (John 14:15).

“If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.” (John 15:10).

"And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me." (Matthew 10:38).

”If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? (Matthew 16:24-26).

"...No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God." (Luke 9:62).

“Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.” (Matthew 5:8).

"Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls." (James 1:21).

"But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God." (Romans 2:8-11).

”And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.” (Revelation 22:12-15).

"For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved." (John 3:20).

“For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Romans 11:21-22).

"...but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." (Matthew 19:17).

“Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” (Philippians 2:12).

“...And having become servants of God, ye have your fruit unto holiness and the end, everlasting life.” (Romans 6:22).

”Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.” (Matthew 25:34-40).

“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.” (Matthew 25:41-46).

”His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.” (Matthew 25:21).

”And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (Matthew 25:30).

”Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation [i.e. as the people of Israel did when they rebelled against him in the desert.”] (Hebrews 3:12-15) (Note: The explanation on verse 15 in brackets is taken from the Living Bible Translation (TLB)).

”Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)” (Hebrews 3:10-11).

”Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. (Hebrews 4:11).

“In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:10).

“He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God” (John 8:47).



But doesn't grace wipe out sin even with confession? (1 John 1:9).
Does not confession cleanse us from all unrighteousness?
Would that not be unrighteous deeds in our life?



Yeah, I hear some (and not all) Eternal Security proponents say this one a lot, but they appear to have never read Matthew 23:23, and or Luke 11:42 before.

Anyways, I already gave you the verses in my previous post. Here they are again.

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone." (Matthew 23:23).

"But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone." (Luke 11:42).
I'm afraid it is true. We are speaking of justification/sanctification:
For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law. 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith. 12 The law is not based on faith;
Gal3:10&11


Please give me one of the 613 laws handed down at sania(non moral law) that the Pharisees failed to obey. I agree they ignored the weightier matters of the law, but they were a stickler for what was actually written down. There was no law that stated:
Thou shalt be merciful
Thou shalt have faith etc
 
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It seems your trying to split the phrase, 'the law', into two separate definitions. One is the moral law, which I assume is the ten commandments. The second is the law of Moses, i.e., the works of the law. So depending on the context, the first or second definition would be used. Is that what you are saying?

If so, what do you think Paul is saying below.

Romans 3:20
Because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

Most references to the word "Law" used by Paul were in reference to:

(a) The Law of Moses (as a whole or package deal).
Note 1: Paul is not condemning "God's Eternal Moral Laws" (like murder, theft, coveting, etc.) that have existed after the Fall of Adam and Eve when they received the knowledge of good and evil. The Moral Law is any law man knows instinctively in regards to doing good vs. wrong. It is in essence to love your neighbor.
Note 2: Even the Moral Law was enforced differently in the OT than it is today under the NT. God's people in the OT could be killed by the hands of their own people physically if they broke the Moral Law. This is not the case under the New Testament.

(b) Law Alone Salvationism (As a double message to the Condemnation to the Law of Moses). For the Pharisees believed in "Works Alone Salvationism" that did not focus heavily on God's grace or forgiveness.
Paul was concerned with how we are initially and ultimately saved by God's grace and not by going back to the Law of Moses or in trying to save ourselves by primarily "Law Alone" like the Pharisees believed. This is where Ephesians 2:8-9 comes in. Paul was trying to say here that we are not saved by "Law Alone." However, in James 2:17-18 and James 2:24, James says we are not saved by Faith Alone. So we are not saved by Works (Law) Alone anymore than we are saved by Faith (Belief) Alone. We need both Justification and Sanctification as a part of the salvation process (See 2 Thessalonians 2:13).​

I hope this helps you to see where I am coming from.
May the Lord bless you.
 
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I'm afraid it is true. We are speaking of justification/sanctification:
For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law. 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith. 12 The law is not based on faith;
Gal3:10&11

Context, my dear friend.

What Law is Paul referring to here?

Did Paul refer to the Moral Laws (like do not murder, do not steal, do not covet, etc. i.e. to love your neighbor) given to us by Jesus, Paul, and others?

I don't think so. How so?

Remember, Paul said if any man speaks contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine according to godliness, they are proud and they know nothing (See 1 Timothy 6:3-4).

In fact, Paul lists certain sins like murder, theft, coveting, etc. and says that if they do such things, they will not inherit the Kingdom of God (See Galatians 5:19-21, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10).

Did Paul refer to the Mosaic Law as a whole or package deal?

Yes. Paul was referring to the Law of Moses and not all law in general.

"And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect." (Galatians 3:17).

Which law came 430 years later after the promise given to Abraham?

The Moral Law?
Or the Law of Moses?

The Law of Moses would be the correct answer.

For Galatians 5:2 says,

"Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing." (Galatians 5:2).

Is circumcision a part of the Old Testament Law or the New Testament Law?

It's a part of the Old Testament Law.

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Please give me one of the 613 laws handed down at sania(non moral law) that the Pharisees failed to obey. I agree they ignored the weightier matters of the law, but they were a stickler for what was actually written down. There was no law that stated:
Thou shalt be merciful
Thou shalt have faith etc

You are arguing against the words of Jesus here. I did not say those words. Jesus did. If you have a problem with them, take it up with the Lord, my friend. By the way, there are commands like that in the New Testament that come from Jesus and His followers.
 
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Context!!!

What Law is Paul referring to here?

Did Paul refer to the Moral Laws (like do not murder, do not steal, do not covet, etc. i.e. to love your neighbor) given to us by Jesus, Paul, and others?





You are arguing against the words of Jesus here. I did not say those words. Jesus did. If you have a problem with them, take it up with the Lord.

Here is your proof:

So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
Rom7:4-6
Which law is Paul referring to in the above? The law of Moses that is not for Christians, or is he including the moral law in those verses? In the next five verses Paul carries on, giving a personal example as to why he had to die to the law(of justification/righteousness)

What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, ‘You shall not covet. 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death.
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The example Paul gave as to why he had to die to the law(of righteousness/justification), was: Thou shalt not covet, law you have stated is still applicable today/moral law.
I am not disagreeing with Jesus words. I am asking you to give me one law from the 613 handed down at Sanai(non moral law) that the Pharisees failed to obey.
 
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It seems your trying to split the phrase, 'the law', into two separate definitions. One is the moral law, which I assume is the ten commandments. The second is the law of Moses, i.e., the works of the law. So depending on the context, the first or second definition would be used. Is that what you are saying?

If so, what do you think Paul is saying below.

Romans 3:20
Because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

The works of the Law mentioned in Romans 3:20 is in reference to the Law of Moses. How do we know? Romans 3:1 says, "What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?" (Romans 3:1).

Is circumcision a part of the Old Law or the New Law?

Also see Galatians 5:2, Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Acts of the Apostles 15:5, Acts of the Apostles 15:24. Paul was condemning "Circumcision Salvationism" that was a part of the Mosaic Law. In Acts 15, they also condemned in trying to go back to the Law of Moses as a whole. But nowhere did they condemn the words of Jesus or other apostles in regards to the Moral Law (like: Do not murder, do not steal, do not covet, etc. i.e. to love your neighbor). Why? Because Jesus and Paul already gave warnings against these sins under the New Testament (or New Covenant).
 
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Here is your proof:

So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
Rom7:4-6
Which law is Paul referring to in the above? The law of Moses that is not for Christians, or is he including the moral law in those verses? In the next five verses Paul carries on, giving a personal example as to why he had to die to the law(of justification/righteousness)

What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, ‘You shall not covet. 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death.
7-11

The example Paul gave as to why he had to die to the law(of righteousness/justification), was: Thou shalt not covet, law you have stated is still applicable today/moral law.
I am not disagreeing with Jesus words. I am asking you to give me one law from the 613 handed down at Sanai(non moral law) that the Pharisees failed to obey.

Yes, the Mosaic Law includes God's Eternal Moral Laws (like do not murder, do not steal, do not covet, etc. i.e. to love your neighbor) that came about after the Fall of Adam and Eve when they received the knowledge of good and evil. Paul was trying to say that this aspect of the Law was still good and useful under the New Covenant.

Romans 8:3-4 says that Christ condemned sin in the flesh so that we can fulfill the righteousness of the Law (i.e. the righteous aspect or part of the Law like: Loving your neighbor - See Romans 13:8-10) who walk not after the flesh (sin) but after the Spirit. Walking after the Spirit includes having the fruits of the Spirit (like love, joy, peace, etc.). You fulfill the righteous aspect of the Old Law by loving. Paul says love fulfills the Law (Romans 13:10).

Not loving your neighbor is a salvation issue.

For the lawyer trying to justify himself in his sin asked Jesus, "Who is my neighbor?" Jesus told him about the Parable of the Good Samaritan whereby the good Samaritan helped someone who was beat up and poor and lying on the side of the road. This means the poor is our neighbor.

Jesus essentially says in Matthew 25:31-46 that if we believers do not help the poor, we can be cast into everlasting fire.

Our fellow brothers can also in a way be our neighbors, too.

Yet, 1 John 3:15 says if you hate your brother, no eternal life abides in you.

So Scripture has to be read as a whole and we cannot pick and choose just what parts we prefer to see.
 
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Yes, the Mosaic Law includes God's Eternal Moral Laws (like do not murder, do not steal, do not covet, etc. i.e. to love your neighbor). Paul was trying to say that this aspect of the Law was still good and useful under the New Covenant.

Romans 8:3-4 says that Christ condemned sin in the flesh so that we can fulfill the righteousness of the Law (i.e. the righteous aspect or part of the Law like: Loving your neighbor - See Romans 13:8-10) who walk not after the flesh (sin) but after the Spirit. Walking after the Spirit includes having the fruits of the Spirit (like love, joy, peace, etc.). You fulfill the righteous aspect of the Old Law by loving. Paul says love fulfills the Law (Romans 13:10).

Not loving your neighbor is a salvation issue.

For the lawyer trying to justify himself in his sin asked Jesus, "Who is my neighbor?" Jesus told him about the Parable of the Good Samaritan whereby the good Samaritan helped someone who looked beat up and poor lying on the side of the road. This means the poor is our neighbor.

Jesus essentially says in Matthew 25:31-46 that if we believers do not help the poor, we can be cast into everlasting fire.

Our fellow brothers can also in a way be our neighbors, too.

Yet, 1 John 3:15 says if you hate your brother, no eternal life abides in you.

So Scripture has to be read as a whole and we cannot pick and choose just what parts we prefer to see.
I totally agree, scripture has to be read as a cohesive whole. However, Pauls core message was. You cannot be justified/righteous by obeying the law, and it is plain from what you have been quoted he included the moral law in that. For: Thou shalt not covet is mor
 
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Steve, give it up. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink. He has been shown how the theology is wrong. Leave it at that and let the Lord handle it.

Now Copperhead is that really true? Where have you or anyone shown what theology is wrong? Please prove what you say with God's WORD or stop making false claims. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it.

God's 10 Commandment give us a KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOUESNESS (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; Psalms 119:172) Those who continue in known unrepentand sin will not enter into God's KINGDOM (Hebrews 10:26-27).

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now [when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come calls all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30-31)
 
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LoveGodsWord said: ↑ Steve you seem to like making things up by playing with straw when you have no scripture to share. If your walking along a narrow road how does one see when their lamp has run out of oil?

Wow. Now you are mixing scriptural metaphors. And implying that the narrow road is walking in darkness.

Someone has defined insanity as doing the same thing over and over again, while expecting different results.

With that in mind, why should I post any scriptures? You will just claim that what I post is not "God's WORD", as you have done countless times already.

Steve the narrow road is for all to walk and follow that leads to the Heavenly Kingdom. It is the narrow way that leads to peace and happiness. If you have no lamp to light your way then you walk in darkness and can fall into a ditch. The light shines in darkness; but the darkness does not understand. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. Light is come into the world, but men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. Every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. The Word is a LAMP unto my feet and a light unto my path. Do you know the scriptures Steve? Can you hear his Voice?
 
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These folks are sheep stealers. I stand between them and the flock.

1 Samuel 17:34-35
But David said to Saul, “Your servant has been keeping his father’s sheep. When a lion or a bear came and carried off a sheep from the flock, 35 I went after it, struck it and rescued the sheep from its mouth. When it turned on me, I seized it by its hair, struck it and killed it.

Steve, yet here you still are you have no scripture to support your teachings that God's 10 Commandments are Abolished and your all upset because God's WORD is shared with you. It is God's WORD that shows who his people are and who is walking the narrow way. There is no need to guess who God's people are and who is walking the narrow way with lamps burning bright. God's WORD shows the way...

HOW DO YOU KNOW IF YOU KNOW GOD?

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [4], He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

God's people do not contiue breaking God's commandments...

1 JOHN 3:3-10
[3], And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
[4], Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
[5], And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[6], Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him. [7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
[8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[9], Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
[10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

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WHO ARE GOD'S PEOPLE?

REVELATION 12:17 [17], And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ

REVELATION 14:12, [12], Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

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WHO ARE THOSE THAT RECEIVE ETERNAL LIFE?

REVELATION 22:14 [14], Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

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WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

ROMANS 1:5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.

ROMANS 6:1-2, [1] What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. [2], How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

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DOES FAITH ABOLISH GOD'S LAW?

ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

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WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THOSE WHO CONTINUE IN SIN ONCE THEY RECEIVE A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH?


HEBREWS 10:26-27 [26], For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, [27], But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

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CONCLUSION: Yep God's people are all those who by faith the works by LOVE have been BORN AGAIN to LOVE and follow him who calls them in love to love another. LOVE is the FULFILLING or ESTABLISHING of GOD' S LAW in all those who believe and LOVE JESUS and is why Jesus says "IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS" (John 14:14). God's Commandments are not ABOLISHED my dear friend they are ESTABLISHED in the HEART to LOVE (Romans 13:8-10) This is the NEW COVENANT promise in those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW all of God's WORD. (Hebrews 8:10-12).

ONLY God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

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God's 10 Commandment give us a KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOUESNESS (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; Psalms 119:172) Those who continue in known unrepentand sin will not enter into God's KINGDOM (Hebrews 10:26-27).

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now [when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come calls all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30-31)

May God help you brother Steve :wave:
 
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Context, my dear friend.

Jason how can you speak of CONTEXT when you leave it out of the scriptures you have posted? This has been shown in;

*Post # 199 linked click me;
*Post # 200 linked click me;
*Post # 219 linked click me;
*Post # 486 linked click me;
*Post # 487 linked click me;
*Post # 511 linked click me;
*Post # 561 linked click me;
*Post # 562 linked click me;
*Post # 563 linked click me;

You have simply chosen to ignore these scriptures. That disagree with your teachings. If you disagree please repond to the posts above. If you cannot why make claims to others that you do not do. Context is important. If you do not understand the OLD COVENANT how can you understand the NEW?

Sent only in LOVE as a help for you brother. :wave:
 
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Looking upon a woman in lust can cause a believer's whole body to be cast into hell fire (Matthew 5:28-30), If a believer does not forgive, they will not be forgiven (Matthew 6:15)

Brother Jason, it is good that you are teaching root of the 10 Commandments here. But where in God's WORD does it talk about the 9 Commandments? Yet in Gods WORD it is written there are 10 Commandments (Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13; 10:4). Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment is now abolsihed and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?
 
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COULD IT BE POSSIBLE YOU HAVE BEEN DECIEVED INTO FOLLOWING THE TEACHINGS AND TRADITIONS OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH OVER GOD'S WORD?

Why do you worship God on Sunday?


ARE YOU FOLLOWING A MAN MADE TRADITION IN SUNDAY WORSHIP?

God's WORD is very clear. If we follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God then we are not following God...

MATTHEW 15:3-9
[3], But he answered and said to them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
[5], But you say, Whoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatever you might be profited by me;
[6], And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
[7], You hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
[8], This people draws near to me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Who do we believe and follow? The teachings and traditions of men or the WORD of God? Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. Jesus says if we break the commandments of God by following man made traditions we are not following God.

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SIN is breaking any of God's 10 Commandments (Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT ENTER the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

In times of ignorance God winks at but when as knowledge of the truth has come God calls on all men everywhere to repent and believe his Word (Acts 17:30-31)

God's is calling his people to come out from following the traditions of men to worship him in Spirit and in truth.

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God knows many follow these traditions from ignorance because they do not know any better. He loves all and is calling all who have ears to hear and eyes to see. Seek him in prayer asking for his Spirit to guide and teach you. He promises to be your guide and teacher. (John 14:26; 16:13: 7:17)

May God bless you all as you seek him first through his Word. To him be all the glory forever and ever AMEN! :wave:
 
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I gave the references and did the math. prove it wrong.

Your post was already proven wrong in the post that followed showing the scriptures that disagree with you. You have not responded to this post but have simply ignored the scriptures that disagree with you. Disagee? Its your turn. Simply ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear.
 
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