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IS IT SIN TO BREAK THE 10 COMMANDMENTS? (Yep!)

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Which Sabbath laws? There were many. Don't get your shadow laws from the Mosaic book of the covenant mixed up with God's eternal law (10 commandments) that give us a knowledge of sin (Romans 3:20)



Why would Jesus teach the correct way to keep the Sabbath if it was not to be kept after his death? Then we have all the Apostles still keeping it after Jesus died including Paul who kept it with both Jews and Gentiles.



Please provide one scripture that says that God's 4th Commandment is abolsihed and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day. There is no scripture.

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SIN is breaking any of God's 10 Commandments (Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT ENTER the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

In times of ignorance God winks at but when as knowledge of the truth has come God calls on all men everywhere to repent and believe his Word (Acts 17:30-31)

God's is calling his people to come out from following the traditions of men to worship him in Spirit and in truth.

As I said to you before, I am not going to endless argue the Mosaic Law with you. That would be a violation of Titus 3:9 for me.
 
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I think it’s important to understand is the purpose of the law because sometimes certain situations can arise that cause conflict within the 10 commandments. One perfect example is Rahab. She was counted as being righteous because she lied to the king’s men and protected the Israelite spies. She had broken the 9th commandment but honored the 10th commandment. It was out of her compassion for these men that she lied so that they would be spared from death. Another example would be that we are commanded to honor our mother & father, but what if they told us to do something that is against God’s commandments? If for example they told you to kill someone who had raped your sister. We would have to break the 5th commandment in order to keep the 6th and 10th commandment. So by this we can see that understanding the purpose of the commandments is important. Jesus gave us two great examples explaining the purpose of all the commandments. Love God with all your heart, soul, and mind, and love each other as Jesus has loved us. He told us that not only the 10 commandments but all of the commandments of all the prophets are based on these two commandments. This concept becomes interesting concerning the Saturday Sabbath. Some people choose to honor God on Sunday instead of Saturday. They are still observing the purpose of the 1st & 4th commandment which are both to love & honor God. The Jews however have taken God’s commandments to the extreme. For example the Jesus and His apostles were rebuked by the Pharisees for picking grain on the Sabbath because they were hungry. Yet Jesus has pardoned the apostles because they were not tending fields on the Sabbath in disobedience to God. They were merely hungry and picking enough food for them to eat. Their purpose was not to dishonor God but simply to get something to eat. The idea here is that the purpose of the commandments supersedes the letter of the commandments. So no matter what day we choose to honor God if we do set aside a day of worship we are still observing the purpose of the law. This is what Paul was referring to in Romans 14. Paul often disregarded the dietary laws while he was with the Gentiles. He even rebuked Peter for refraining from eating with the Gentiles while Jews were present. The laws were put in place to become a stumbling block for the Jews to teach them that righteousness cannot come from obedience to the law. Righteousness only comes from from faith. Abraham and Noah are two great example of this because they were declared righteous by their faith before the law was written. They were declared righteous by trusting in God not by their obedience. Noah was declared righteous before he built the ark. Abraham was declared righteous before he took his family into the wilderness by God’s command. These are examples that we are not made righteous by works or obedience to the law. We are made righteous by having faith in God, by His grace (a free and unmerited favor of God) thru Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross where He shed His blood and took our sins paying the price in our place so that we might be saved. PRAISE HIS HOLY NAME!!

The Jews or Pharisees did not really keep God's Word. That was the problem. Matthew 23:23 and Luke 11:42 says that they ignored the weightier matters of the Law like love, faith, justice, and mercy. So it was not the Law that was the problem, it was their lack of keeping it and their own made traditions that turned God's grace into a twisted version of their own kind of law keeping (That was not really in line with God's laws at all).

Granted, Christians today are not under the Law of Moses as a whole or package deal (i.e. the 613 commands given to Israel). But this does not mean Christians are anarchists and they are without Law whatsoever as a part of being right with God. Believers today are under a New Covenant with new commands that comes from Jesus Christ and His followers. For even believing on Jesus is a commandment or Law (See 1 John 3:23).
 
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The Jews or Pharisees did not really keep God's Word. That was the problem. Matthew 23:23 and Luke 11:42 says that they ignored the weightier matters of the Law like love, faith, justice, and mercy. So it was not the Law that was the problem, it was their lack of keeping it and their own made traditions that turned God's grace into a twisted version of their own kind of law keeping (That was not really in line with God's laws at all).

Granted, Christians today are not under the Law of Moses as a whole or package deal (i.e. the 613 commands given to Israel). But this does not mean Christians are anarchists and they are without Law whatsoever as a part of being right with God. Believers today under a New Covenant with new commands that comes from Jesus Christ and His followers. For even believing on Jesus is a commandment or Law (See 1 John 3:23).

Amen although I think the original intention of the law was to protect the people from inadvertently disobeying God and over time the Pharisees became prideful and self righteous seeing themselves above the common man. They became quick to judge and pass sentence on others rather than showing mercy. I imagine mercy was a tough thing for them to understand since many of God’s commandments required death as the penalty for disobedience.
 
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No one fulfills God's LAW by breaking it.. That is why Jesus says on these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets * MATTHEW 22:36-40 and why Paul says LOVE is the FULFILLING [doing or establishing] of the law.

ROMANS 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law.
[9], For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

How are you fulfilling God's LAW by breaking it?
You are breaking the Law, no matter how impeccably obedient, if love is not your motive.
 
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I believe there is confusion on both sides of this issue because they do not accept this one verse in what it says.

"Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second." (Hebrews 10:9).​

For one side says we must keep the Sabbath from the 10 commandments. But this verse above here says that he takes away the first covenant. Meaning it is no more; And there is no command has been repeated in the New Testament is given to us on the Sabbath.

Some (and not all) on the other side of the fence say that we do not have to keep any kind of law of any kind whatsoever to continue to be right with God after we are saved by God's grace. Hebrews 10:9 says He takes away the first to establish the second covenant. The second covenant contains many commands given to us by Jesus Christ and His followers. Disobeying many of these commands (and not all of them) are a salvation issue (See Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15, Matthew 25:30, Matthew 25:31-46, Galatians 5:19-21, 1 John 3:15, Revelation 21:8).

"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins," (Hebrews 10:26).
 
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So your silly idea that you can sin and still be saved by having a belief alone on Jesus does not hold any water.
I do not have such a silly idea. I do not encourage Christians to commit sins/evil-deeds/law-breaking since the curses of God will follow, eg destruction of the flesh.(DEUT.28:15, PROV.1:25, ROMANS.2:10, 1COR.11:30, 1JOHN.5:16)
....... I am just being considerate of Gentile Christians who are carrying sin-baggages with them when they converted, eg chain-smokers, alcoholics, drug addicts, prescription pills addicts, social phobics, autistics, Asperger's Syndrome sufferers and other sick ex-Gentiles. Some Gentile Christians are also beset with ancestral sins committed by their Gentile forefathers(EXODUS.20:5).Your blanket statement that "not loving your neighbor is a salvation issue" and "Christians must do this law and do that law(MATTHEW.25:31-36), in order to remain saved" may cause such sickly and weak Gentile Christians to lose their salvation.

The verses below is not my idea but God's "silly" or merciful idea that Gentile Christians can remain in past Gentilic sin/evil-deed/law-breaking-baggages or can fall into ignorant sins, be cursed by God for their past or ignorant sin/s(eg their flesh destroyed by Satan = die young) and can still remain saved by believing in Jesus Christ. ...

1COR.5: = 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

LUKE.23: = 39 Then one of the criminals who were hanged blasphemed Him, saying, “If You are the Christ, save Yourself and us.”

40 But the other, answering, rebuked him, saying, “Do you not even fear God, seeing you are under the same condemnation? 41 And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this Man has done nothing wrong.” 42 Then he said to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.”

43 And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”
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Why did the Gentile Christian fall into the ignorant sin of incest at 1COR.5:1-5.? = because Corinth was under Roman rule and under Gentilic Roman Law, incest, adultery, polygamy, fornication, homosexuality, sodomy, prostitution, divorce, etc were not unlawful, similar to today's US Law. Hence, we have gay pastors and bishops in USA.
.......Whether such an ignorant and sexually immoral Gentile Christian will still be believing in Jesus Christ with his/her dying breath remains mostly a mystery, ie only God knows.
 
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Hence, in USA and the West, legalistic religions like Judaism and Islam do not hold much attraction for the people. Seems, you are trying to turn Christianity into another legalistic religion, eg "Not loving your neighbor is a salvation issue", "Christians must feed the hungry, clothe the naked, take in strangers and visit sick prisoners, in order to remain saved", etc.
One wrong extreme is Law Alone Salvationism and the other wrong extreme is Antinomianism (or a sin and still be saved type belief). Before you seem to say that I falsely accused you that a believer can sin and still be saved. But this is what you are saying when you believe that not loving your neighbor does not deal with salvation. Paul says in Romans 13:8-10 that loving your neighbor is the equivalent of the Moral Law (like: Do not murder, do not covet, do not steal, etc.). So this means that you believe that murder, coveting, and or stealing is not a salvation issue for a Christian. Right?
COLOSSIANS.2: = 16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.

20 Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.
 
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Did you just say God paid the price for only Adam's sin at the cross?
Then how are we saved if Jesus did not die for our sins?
You are not making any sense.
Without Christ, why are fallen Man bound for hell when they die = spiritual death.? Is it because of their inherited or inborn Adam's Original Sin or because of their voluntary sins/evil-deeds/law-breaking or because of both.?
 
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I do not have such a silly idea. I do not encourage Christians to commit sins/evil-deeds/law-breaking since the curses of God will follow, eg destruction of the flesh.(DEUT.28:15, PROV.1:25, ROMANS.2:10, 1COR.11:30, 1JOHN.5:16)

Okay. First, we are not under the Law of Moses. For you are quoting of Deuteronomy 28:15 along with NT verses, it suggests that you think all forms of law are talking about the Law of Moses (Which is not the case). We are under the Laws given to us by Jesus and His followers (that can be found within the New Testament).

There is the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:2).
The Law of Christ (Galatians 6:2).
The Royal Law (James 2:8).
The Law of Liberty (James 2:12).
There is the Commandment (Law) that says we are to believe on Jesus Christ (1 John 3:23). Are you under this Law within 1 John 3:23 in regards to salvation? If so, then you are saved by some form of law keeping.

Second, if you say that a believer can commit sexual immorality and still be saved with your citation of 1 Corinthians 5:5, you are in fact encouraging Christians that they can sin and still be saved because you believe it is possible for a Christian to do that very thing (and still be in God's good graces). You believe it is possible for a Christian to be in sexual immorality and be saved because they were ignorant of this sin (According to 1 Corinthians 5:5). However, Paul also says,

9 "Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men
10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).

It says above here in this passage that the sexually immoral will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

You believe a believer can be ignorant of their sin and still be saved. However, the Holy Spirit convicts the world of it's sin so that they will be without excuse. How so? Jesus says,

8 "And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;" (John 16:8-9).

In other words, a person is not believing in Jesus if they still have sin in their life because they are not obeying the commands of Jesus Christ.

You said:
Your blanket statement that "not loving your neighbor is a salvation issue" and "Christians must do this law and do that law(MATTHEW.25:31-36), in order to remain saved" may cause such sickly and weak Gentile Christians to lose their salvation.

Okay. This is the problem here. You are not explaining Matthew 25:31-46 in how it does not mean what it says plainly. I read this passage and it says that if I do not help the poor in this life, I can be cast into everlasting fire. That is the plain and normal way to read this passage. But you are clueless as to what it says. You have no answer to explain this passage. Hence, why you have yet to provide an explanation on Matthew 25:31-46 that defends your belief that a believer can die in ignorant sin and still be saved.

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The verses below is not my idea but God's "silly" or merciful idea that Gentile Christians can remain in past Gentilic sin/evil-deed/law-breaking-baggages or can fall into ignorant sins, be cursed by God for their past or ignorant sin/s(eg their flesh destroyed by Satan = die young) and can still remain saved by believing in Jesus Christ. ...

1COR.5: = 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

I already showed you before what 1 Corinthians 5:5 says. It is talking about the giving over a believer to Satan to destruction of the flesh as in reference to the "destruction of the sin nature" so that they may be saved. We see this mentioned in another verse. For Hymenaeus and Alexander were delivered unto Satan so that they may learn not to blaspheme (See 1 Timothy 1:20). For in the last days (Which I believe we are living in): There those who have a form of godliness and deny the power thereof who ever learning and unable to come to the knowledge of the truth are also called blasphemers.

1 "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was." (2 Timothy 3:1-9).

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LUKE.23: = 39 Then one of the criminals who were hanged blasphemed Him, saying, “If You are the Christ, save Yourself and us.”
40 But the other, answering, rebuked him, saying, “Do you not even fear God, seeing you are under the same condemnation? 41 And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this Man has done nothing wrong.” 42 Then he said to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.”
43 And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”

I don't see how your quoting of the thief on the cross and his confession to Jesus helps your belief that we can be in ignorant sin with us being saved here. The thief on the cross expressed hatred towards the sin of the other thief by what he said. The hateful thief mocked Jesus. Yet, the good thief said, "Don't you fear God"? Then the thief said how their actions were deserving of punishment but Jesus was innocent of the punishment He was partaking of. The thief then pleads for mercy by asking the Lord to remember Him when He comes into His Kingdom. In essence: It was what the thief did that saved him. His actions of speaking up all played a part in His salvation by Christ. The thief did not silently believe in Jesus and he was saved. The good thief spoke out against evil or sin. This is what your belief is not doing. For your belief makes an allowance for those who are in grievous ignorant sin to be saved. Therefore, as a result, it minimizes sin and how it can destroy a believer's soul in the end. For the Bible warns how certain sins can keep you out of God's Kingdom.

If you look upon a woman in lust, your whole body can be cast into hell fire (Matthew 5:28-3).
If you do not forgive, you will not be forgiven (Matthew 6:15).
If you do not love your brother, no eternal life abides in you (1 John 3:15).

You said:
Why did the Gentile Christian fall into the ignorant sin of incest at 1COR.5:1-5.? = because Corinth was under Roman rule and under Gentilic Roman Law, incest, adultery, polygamy, fornication, homosexuality, sodomy, prostitution, divorce, etc were not unlawful, similar to today's US Law. Hence, we have gay pastors and bishops in USA.
.......Whether such an ignorant and sexually immoral Gentile Christian will still be believing in Jesus Christ with his/her dying breath remains mostly a mystery, ie only God knows.

So you believe that only God knows if those who being ignorant in their sexual immorality are saved or not? That is not what the Word of God teaches. Again, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 says the sexually immoral will not inherit the Kingdom of God; And the Bible does not say that some may be saved as long as they are ignorant of their sexual immorality. That is something you are adding to Scripture that is not there.
 
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COLOSSIANS.2: = 16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.

20 Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

The idea here is that a Christian can keep the Old ceremonial laws if they want, but they merely cannot claim they are for salvation, though. They should not judge other Christians who may keep certain ceremonial laws of the OT. But ultimately Paul is saying these regulations are not a part of the New Covenant. They have been nailed to the cross. These ceremonial laws pointed to Jesus Christ. They are technically no longer binding commands for believers today. So the Saturday Sabbath, circumcision, the dietary laws are no more. For Hebrews 7:12 says the Law has changed.
 
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Without Christ, why are fallen Man bound for hell when they die = spiritual death.? Is it because of their inherited or inborn Adam's Original Sin or because of their voluntary sins/evil-deeds/law-breaking or because of both.?

Adam and Eve sinned without a sin nature and sin brought death to them just the same as it does for you and me. The wages of sin is death. This is clearly seen over and over again in Scripture (Starting with Adam and Eve and their one time sin). We also are a part of Adam and Eve. Sin is passed down by the male seed and not by the female. When Adam sinned, that is when both Adam and Eve's eyes were opened to their sin. Hence, why Jesus was born as a man by way of virgin female. Jesus could not have the death of Adam hanging over Him. Jesus had to be the pure and spotless Lamb so as to pay the price for man's sin in order to offer every man the free gift of salvation (if He accepts that gift and takes care of it). For the gift is Jesus Christ. For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son.

Those who accept Jesus and His good ways, will one day live again.
Those who claim they accepted Jesus and yet reject His good ways are proving that the Lord (and His love) is not really living within them. For Jesus says,

"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love." (John 15:10).

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This would be the commandments give to us by Jesus and His followers in the New Testament and not the commandments given to us by Moses in the Old Testament.
 
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If Jesus broke the law how could he be our perfect sacrifice for sin? In your view mankind is lost.
I believe Jesus was setting the law aside. Where there is no law, there is no transgression.
 
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Hello brother Der Alter, nice to see you here and welcome. Some comments for your consideration below.
Thank you for the welcome but I have been at this forum for about 2 decades. I have read these same arguments many times over. The typical out-of-context Judaizer proof texts.
<LGW>
CONCLUSION So the conclusion of the matter. v19-20 We are not to trouble the new gentile believers with CIRCUMCISION as a means of salvation. They are new converts they will learn more about God as Moses is preached when? EVERY SABBATH. WE just tell the new believers because they will be learning every Sabbath to abstain from defilements of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Hope this helps
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Please show me one verse which shows gentile Christians being welcomed and worshiping in Jewish synagogues? Even Paul who was a Jew from "the tribe Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;" was persecuted throughout his ministry. Jesus did not say that gentile Christians would be worshiping side by side with Jews in the synagogues.
John 16:2 They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God.
If Christians met in the synagogues with Jews why were there so many house churches and the epistles were written to churches not synagogues.
 
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I put some things in parenthesis...

Even before the cross we see some interesting things. Jesus was not trying to show support for Sabbath law by upholding it to the degree (or way, cause he actually did keep it) that was expected in that society (society was wrong about it and still is). In fact, he was known as a Sabbath-breaker, not a Sabbath-keeper. (By most the affluent and influential, yes) (he was crucified as a lawless one (in our place), but he was not, and I think all of most of us know that) Very controversial and provoking behavior on his part. (Surely) I think he was setting the law aside. (No, he was not, we were not getting the law, not the Spirit that it was of, he was and did...)

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Good job. You should be proud of yourself.

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While it is remotely possible that Jesus could have slightly changed the Sabbath prior to the cross (Before He abolished the Sabbath Law entirely with His death), it is highly unlikely He did that because He essentially said king David did not break the Sabbath and in another time Jesus said it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (like helping a neighbor's animal out of a ditch).

I believe the words that say that Jesus did not keep the Sabbath in John 5:18, and John 9:16 is speaking from the Pharisees perspective or from the Pharisee's version of keeping the Sabbath (which was based upon man made tradition). Remember, Jesus pointed out to us that the Pharisees had undone the Word of God by their own man made traditions before (See Matthew 15:4-6).
In John chapter five the issue was work on the Sabbath. Which is against Sabbath law. Jesus agreed with them.

John 5:17
In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.”
 
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Okay. First, we are not under the Law of Moses. For you are quoting of Deuteronomy 28:15 along with NT verses, it suggests that you think all forms of law are talking about the Law of Moses (Which is not the case). We are under the Laws given to us by Jesus and His followers (that can be found within the New Testament). ...
There is the Commandment (Law) that says we are to believe on Jesus Christ (1 John 3:23). Are you under this Law within 1 John 3:23 in regards to salvation? If so, then you are saved by some form of law keeping.
JOHN.1:1 & 14 = The Eternal Word
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

1TIMOTHY.3:16 = 16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:God was manifested in the flesh, ...

JOHN.8:58 & EXODUS.3:14 = 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

3:14 And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
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Jesus Christ was God-in-the-flesh who came down to earth. Moses Law or God's laws is the same as Jesus Christ's laws/commandments, ie the laws/commandments are all from God, whether in the Old Testament or New Testament. There is no difference being under God's laws or under Jesus's laws, eg the Jewish Christians, Ananias and Sapphira, broke God's Law at LEVITICUS.19:11 and their flesh was destroyed = died young. Whether Ananias and Sapphira were saved from hell, the Bible doesn't say. ...

ACTS.5: & LEVITICUS.19: = 5:3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? 4 While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”

5 Then Ananias, hearing these words, fell down and breathed his last. So great fear came upon all those who heard these things. 6 And the young men arose and wrapped him up, carried him out, and buried him. ...

11 So great fear came upon all the church and upon all who heard these things. &

19:11 ‘You shall not steal, nor deal falsely, nor lie to one another. 12 And you shall not swear by My name falsely, nor shall you profane the name of your God: I am the Lord.
 
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In John chapter five the issue was work on the Sabbath. Which is against Sabbath law. Jesus agreed with them.

John 5:17
In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.”

But again, this was not general monotonous manual labor like running things within your average business or working at a regular every day job. The priests were exempt in doing God's work on the Sabbath. Jesus says it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath. Jesus was not talking about working down at the sawmill factory. He was talking about doing the work of a priest. So no. Jesus did not violate the Sabbath just because He was always doing His spiritual priestly duties in trying to lead men closer to God or Himself. On the Sabbath: Trying to lead people to God and or understanding God's Word and or trying to get men to live by God's Word is not general every day labor (like being a wood worker, or fisherman, or tax collector, etc.).

If Jesus violated the Sabbath, He would be a sinner.
While Jesus is even of a different priesthood order, this would not give Him the authority to violate the Aaronic priesthood order that the Jews were under. In fact, in order to save the Jews, He has to obey the Jewish Law on their behalf. Jesus needed to fulfill the Law of Moses; And He very much did that by nailing to the cross those ordinances (i.e. the ceremonial laws) that were against us. These ceremonial laws (that were nailed to the cross) would be the Sabbath, circumcision, and the dietary laws, etc.
 
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Moses Law or God's laws is the same as Jesus Christ's laws/commandments, ie the laws/commandments are all from God, whether in the Old Testament or New Testament. There is no difference being under God's laws or under Jesus's laws, eg the Jewish Christians,

The Law has changed:

God's moral laws came into existence for man and would forever exist for him after the Fall of Adam and Eve (after they received the knowledge of good and evil).

These Moral Laws (like: “Do not murder,” “Do not steal,” Do not covet,” “Do not commit adultery,” etc.) are repeated in the 613 laws within the Law of Moses and they still in effect (i.e. They have been carried over into the New Testament). However, the Old Testament Law of Moses as a whole or package deal is no more. Things like the commands on circumcision, animal sacrifices, the Saturday Sabbath, and the dietary laws, etc. are no longer binding under the New Covenant. This is because the written Law given to Israel is no longer in effect (as a whole). How so?

Here are a list of verses:

7 "But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious." (2 Corinthians 3:7-11).

"When God speaks of a "new" covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear." (Hebrews 8:13) (NLT).

"But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter." (Romans 7:6).

"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;" (Colossians 2:14).

20 "Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using; ) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh."
(Colossians 2:20-23).

“By abolishing in His [own crucified] flesh the enmity [caused by] the Law with its decrees and ordinances [which He annulled]; that He from the two might create in Himself one new man [one new quality of humanity out of the two], so making peace.” (Ephesians 2:15) (AMPC).

"The old [former] rule [commandment; regulation] is now set aside [nullified; abolished], because it was weak and useless [ineffective]." (Hebrews 7:18) (EXB).

9 “Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.” (Hebrews 9:9-10).

8 “Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.” (Hebrews 10:8-9).

“And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.” (Acts of the Apostles 15:1).

“But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.” (Acts of the Apostles 15:5).

“Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment” (Acts of the Apostles 15:24).

28 "For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well." (Acts of the Apostles 15:28-29).


The Old Covenant says this about circumcision:
"And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant." (Genesis 17:14).

Yet, the New Covenant says this about circumcision:
"Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing." (Galatians 5:2).


The Old Covenant says this about the Sabbath:
32 "And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
35 And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses." (Numbers 15:32-36).

Yet, the New Covenant says this about the Sabbath:
"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:" (Colossians 2:16).

So it appears things have changed.
This makes sense because Hebrews 7:12 says the Law has changed.

“For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
(John 1:17).


Side Note:

Yes, Jesus is the Word (Logos) made flesh. But He is also called the Word of God in Revelation and he will judge men for their sins. John 12:48 says that Jesus will judge every man according to His Word. In Matthew 7, those who did many wonderful works and who also worked iniquity (sin) were told to depart from Jesus. This is because they worked sin in addition to doing wonderful works. Matthew 7:26-27 says that he that does not do what Jesus says is like a fool who built his house upon the sand, and when a storm came, great was the fall of that house.
 
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I agree. But the law is in conflict with itself. Jesus pointed this out on a few occasions.

John 7:23
Now if a boy can be circumcised on the Sabbath so that the law of Moses may not be broken, why are you angry with me for healing a man’s whole body on the Sabbath?

I'm glad we can agree! However, what He said actually points that out...it is not a conflict, that was His point!
 
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I'm glad we can agree! However, what He said actually points that out...it is not a conflict, that was His point!
Right. That was a poor example that I provided. My bad. Jesus asking the man to carry his mattress home on the Sabbath might be a better example. It caused a HUGE issue.
 
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