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We use the Ten Commandments for instruction and commentary. But we live according to the Two Great Commandments requiring Love for God and people. Without love, all is sin, even keeping the Ten Commandments.
The Ten Commandments were the Old Covenant. All other laws related to them. All became obsolete with the New Covenant.
Where does Scripture say that God will judge Gentiles by the Law?
Seems it did not work out to well for you now did it? You post was completely addressed in post # 199 linked click me and post # 200 linked click me, showing you had left out scripture context in nearly every scripture you provided.
If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL then you have no place in the NEW COVENANT (Romans 2:28-29; Colossians 3:11; Romans 10:11-13; Romans 9:6-8; Hebrews 8:10-12). Gentiles are now grafted in (Romans 11:16-27). You quote Titus 3:9 out of Context the word law used here is νομικός ; nomikos which means about ceremonial laws. So the scripture says to avoid foolich questions in relation to tracing generations [Geneologies] and havnig contentions about the ceremonial laws for they are unprofitable.
Ideed you posted scriptures on the covenants and the other scriptures you posted were shown when context was added to have a different meaning to what you were trying to promote. The scriptures posted to you, besides showing you were not considering chapter and scripture context, also showed that some of the scriptures you posted were referring to the Mosaic book of the law and not God's 10 Commandments. This was addressed in detail in post # 199 linked click me and post # 200 linked click me
Thankyou this is a great example. You just proved everything I was just saying above by quoting Hebrews 7:12. As shown earlier in Hebrews 10; Hebrews 7 is talking about the change in the Levitical priest hood and sanctuary laws from the MOSAIC book of the Covenant not the 10 commandments. Please read the scripture context in Hebrews 7:1-11.
Quoting this example in Hebrews 7:12 is a good example of talking the scripture out of context and its reference to the Mosaic Book of the law and not God's 10 Commandments. You are reading something into the scriptures that it is not saying.
Indeed this is another scripture shown in post # 200 linked click me that you were also talking scripture out of Context and you do not understand the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures in relation to what is being discussed.
Leaving out CONTEXT again brother. What is the chapter context is it the 10 Commandments of the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT?
v11 Shadow law of CIRCUMCISION
v12 Shadows of Baptism
v13 Shadows of death to sin and UNCIRCUMCISION
CONTEXT is not the 10 Commandments the CONTEXT is the shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT.
v14 Blotting out the HANDWRITING of ORDINANCES that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
GREEK WORD MEANINGS AND WORD USE
14, “BLOTTING OUT” < G1813 ἐξαλείφωexaleipho (ex-a-lei'-fō) v. means to rub out, i.e. obliterate, erase>the “HANDWRITING” < G5498 χειρόγραφονcheirographon (chei-ro'-gra-fon) n. means something hand-written (“chirograph”), a manuscript specially, a legal document > of “ORDINANCES” < G1378 δόγμα dogma (d̮og'-ma) n. means ordinance; CIVIL, CEREMONIAL or ECCLIESIASTICAL laws >that was against us, WHICH WERE AGAINST , and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
The GREEK WORD meanings here in this scripture show that it follows the same CONTEXT of v11-13 is in relation to the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES found in the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT.
V14 Blotting out or erasing the legal MANUSCRIPT or document of ORDINANCES referred to here are those of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT. The GREEK word for ORDIANACE is DOGMA mean ing THE CIVIL, CEREMONIAL and ECCLESIASTICAL ORDINANCES once again only found in the MOSAIC BOOK of the Covenant
Can you see your errors here brother in every case so far you have taken scripture out of Context.
DETAILED SCRIPTURE SUPPORT HERE LINKING OLD AND NEW TESTAMENTS SCRIPTURES FOR COLOSSIANS 2 (PARTS 1-6) linked Click me.
You are free to believe and do as you wish my friend. We are all only held accountable to God come judgment day for believing and following God's WORD (John 12:47-48).
No need to continue the discussion if you do not want to.
May God help you as you seek him through his Word
The scripture you are using prove you wrong. The Ten Commandments were the Old Covenant. That is why they called it the Ark of the Covenant. Because it held the Ten Commandments.Not really Dave, God's WORD says the 10 Commandments and the Mosaic BOOK of the law made up the OLD COVENANT.
EXODUS 34 [28] And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the COVENANT, the ten commandments.
EXODUS 24 [7] And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the hearing of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.
Your only telling half the story. Not knowing what makes up the OLD COVENANT will distort your vision of the scriptures in the NEW TESTAMENT in relation to the NEW COVENANT.
If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is?
Hope this helps
But the Ten are now abolished, the Two preceded the Ten and still remain.You cannot get to the two great commandments of LOVE without the law bringing you there. On these two commandments [Love to God and Love to man] Hang all the law and the prophets (Matthew 22:36-40)
No, they said he taught against Moses. The would have loved you, thinking the way you do.Because he was preaching Christ and him crucified for salvation by faith. The Jews were the ones the put Jesus on the cross
You are putting the cart before the horse.
A person who has been saved through faith in Jesus Christ will have God's laws written on his/her heart and mind(HEBREWS.10:15), thus walking in the Spirit and fulfilling the Law, eg keeping the Old Testament laws of love God/Jesus and love his/her neighbor.
....... This is especially true for Jewish Christians who have kept God's laws from childhood but mostly not true for Gentile Christians who previously as Gentiles, have not kept God's laws from childhood. Hence, the exemptions from the Law given by God to Gentile Christians at ACTS.15:24-29.
Making the Old Testament law, "love your neighbor" as a requirement for salvation may trip some weak Gentile Christians into work-based salvation or salvation through the keeping of the Law, and into losing their faith in Christ when they somehow could not religiously keep this OT law, eg Gentile Christian alcoholics, drug addicts, etc.
....... It's similar to the Judaizers requiring Gentile Christians to be circumcised, in order to be saved. Or other OT laws like keeping the Biblical Sabbath, eating Kosher foods, tithing 10%, etc.
Let's say a Gentile alcoholic man somehow got saved through faith in Jesus Christ = he becomes a Gentile Christian alcoholic who is exempted from most of the burdensome parts of God's laws or Moses Law, including LEVITICUS.10:9(Do not drink wine or intoxicating drink), as per ACTS.15:24-29.
As an alcoholic, he tends to not love his neighbors, eg steals/cheats money from his neighbors, in order to indulge in his addiction or bad/evil habit. Though he repents of not loving his neighbors, he just can't help himself. Also, he will lead a sad and short life on earth, eg dies young from liver cirrhosis. Will he be still saved from hell when he dies.? As per the promises of God at JOHN.3:16, I think he will still be saved because of his faith in Christ, similar to the dying robber at LUKE.23:43.
Some will say that God/Jesus would heal the Gentile Christian alcoholic man of his addiction. That's fine.
What happens when Jesus saves us, he gives us a new nature that hates sin and loves righteousness. So Alcoholics become sober. Thieves no longer want to steal. Adulterers no longer want to practice adultery, etc. It is our nature to live in harmony with the Two Great Commandments of love for God and people written on the heart. So we naturally live in harmony with the Ten Commandments even though we need not keep any Sabbath.Let's say a Gentile alcoholic man somehow got saved through faith in Jesus Christ = he becomes a Gentile Christian alcoholic who is exempted from most of the burdensome parts of God's laws or Moses Law, including LEVITICUS.10:9(Do not drink wine or intoxicating drink), as per ACTS.15:24-29.
As an alcoholic, he tends to not love his neighbors, eg steals/cheats money from his neighbors, in order to indulge in his addiction or bad/evil habit. Though he repents of not loving his neighbors, he just can't help himself. Also, he will lead a sad and short life on earth, eg dies young from liver cirrhosis. Will he be still saved from hell when he dies.? As per the promises of God at JOHN.3:16, I think he will still be saved because of his faith in Christ, similar to the dying robber at LUKE.23:43.
Some will say that God/Jesus would heal the Gentile Christian alcoholic man of his addiction. That's fine.
Where in Romans 2? In fact, Romans 2 declares that only the Jew will be judged by the Law of Moses:Well, Romans 2.
Who denied that Gentiles will be judged according to what they have done? Certainly noy moi.Also, you can look at Revelations and see everyone judged according to what they've done.
God will still judge everyone by the law and everyone will be punished and rewarded according to what they have done. See Romans 2. "You will reap what you sow."
Do you believe the weekly Saturday Sabbath is still in effect today?
I do not believe the Saturday Sabbath is still in effect according to Scripture.
Where in Romans 2? In fact, Romans 2 declares that only the Jew will be judged by the Law of Moses:
All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.
Those apart from the Law are obviously Gentiles, and those who are under the Law are obviously Jews.
And Paul declares that Gentiles who sin will indeed be judged, but that judgement will be apart from the Law.
Hebrews talks about a Sabbath rest remaining for the children of God. "Let us make sure no one falls short of it." It goes on to reference that it is a test of true faith, because those that are under God's rest will rest from their own work. Now, that doesn't mean the Sabbath functions in any particular or consistent way as it says, "therefore do not let anyone judge you in regards..." But it follows that the spirit of the Sabbath is very much alive and not something to go unattended.
The confusion comes from the fact I do not consider the Law to be the Law of Moses, but God's law. I apologize. My answer was incomplete.
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