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But Jesus is so much more than scripture.There is no tricke my dear friend; Ony God's WORD. Do you have any to share? You should revere Sola Scripture. Jesus is the Living Word of God.
But Jesus is so much more than scripture.
If you want to be Jewish fine. That is your choice. I'll be a Christian and worship on Sunday. I guess it could be worse. You could be keeping Friday.
Keep the commands, keep the commands, I know... I've heard this and argued this with you before and am not going to again or anymore...The imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ works not only in believing in Jesus, but in walking in the light as He is in the light. Meaning we have to keep God the Father's commands as Jesus kept God the Father's commands in order for the blood of Jesus Christ to cleanse us from all sin.
"But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light,
we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."
(1 John 1:7).
The Light = God the Father.
Walk = Keep God's commandments.
As He is in the Light = As Christ is in God the Father.
For one does not have true faith if they are not actually being faithful.
For the devil's also believe and tremble;
And faith without works is dead.
Keep the commands, keep the commands, I know... I've heard this and argued this with you before and am not going to again or anymore...
But needless to say your wrong about what you mean by "keep the commands/commandments", and there are many things you have wrong (not all) but you won't listen to anyone else, or logic or reason so...
God Bless!
Keep the commands, keep the commands, I know... I've heard this and argued this with you before and am not going to again or anymore...
But needless to say your wrong about what you mean by "keep the commands/commandments", and there are many things you have wrong (not all) but you won't listen to anyone else, or logic or reason so...
God Bless!
"He that doeth the truth, he that loveth, he that cares, and has compassion and love and forgvieness in their heart... (on and on)", is a long way from what you mean by "keep the commandments" Jason...If you will not hear me, listen to the words of Jesus.
26 "And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it." (Matthew 7:26-27).
We love him from sort of self-effort and will of ours, or is keeping the commandments (which I think Jesus means "try" to keep my commandments, which I'm not saying you shouldn't give up trying to follow and obey, but only from the right heart and right perspective),Jesus said if you love me, keep my commandments (John 14:15).
This is how Jesus describes how we are to love Him.
Paul says if any man loves not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be accursed (See 1 Corinthians 16:22). Jesus says if you will enter into life, keep the commandments (Matthew 19:17).
"He that doeth the truth, he that loveth, he that cares, and has compassion and love and forgvieness in their heart... (on and on)", is a long way from what you mean by "keep the commandments" Jason...
Is keeping the commandments an act of God (in man), or is an act, or is because of, man...?
Did he make some of more of less able than others...? Do peoples pasts and backgrounds need to be considered...? Or are there any other, or is there any number of other things that would be factors that need to be considered in judgment of sin and a sinner...?
Your clearly overlooking or trying to overlook or avoid some things Jason...
God Bless!
We love him from sort of self-effort and will of ours, or is keeping the commandments (which I think Jesus means "try" to keep my commandments, which I'm not saying you shouldn't give up trying to follow and obey, but only from the right heart and right perspective),
Anyway, that's wrong, and like I said there's a long way from "love and hope, faith, (good) justice, grace and mercy and truth and "all of that"" and what you mean in and by "keep the commandments" and teaching others the same, some might even say that's a false gospel... Trying to take us back to Law... Anyway...
Is it due to God or and act of God in us, or is due to and act of man...?
God Bless!
First, I believe a person cannot obey God or Christ unless they repent of their sins to Jesus and they believe that He died and was risen on their behalf. Second, keeping Christ's commandments is the commands given to us by Jesus Christ and His followers in the New Testament. They are not suggestions but commands. Jesus says if you will enter into life, keep the commandments (Matthew 19:17).
Second, you are not really addressing the verses I have brought forth that condemns your distaste of keeping God's commands as a part of continuing to be right with God.
Three, I do not believe any good a true Christian does is by their own effort alone. It is only by the power of the Lord working in them, can they do any kind of good (like obeying His commands). It's why we are told: Put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ and fulfill not the lusts of the flesh (See Romans 13:14).
Side Note:
Oh, and you are making lots of assumptions about what I believe "keeping the commandments" mean. Care to explain to me what you think I believe that is and how that is wrong according to the Bible?
Nobody can be saved by law keeping alone without God or Christ. It is first by faith in Christ that we are saved. It is by what Jesus did for us that saves us. No true Christian denies this fact. But works and holiness do play a part in our salvation, too. If not, then Christians can still get into heaven even if they were to be unrepentant axe murdering rapists their whole lives. But God's grace does not work like that. A person actually has to repent and become a servant of the Lord Jesus Christ and not a servant of sin.
Keeping the commandments looks like Jesus... Are you like Jesus...? Is anyone...?
You said:Now, Does that mean we should not try to be like or more like Jesus...? No, it does not... But if you want to be realistic, your probably never always going to always be ever be continually perfect like he is perfect... That's the reality of it... But that does not mean you should not aim for the goal or try, (the effort, yields it's own rewards) (anyway) I think the fact that were never going to be perfect, leads to the beginning of the true gospel of the NT, and leads to many, many points and perspectives you just won't get if you think you can be perfect or are perfect, and can keep you from error or not following/believing in the true gospel...
That is the standard, perfection... and all who fall short of it, or fall short of that standard (and if were going to be honest, we do this continually)... All who fall short of it are not worthy... Now, Does not mean we should not try, no... But if you want the reality and the truth of it, short of this life, none of us are perfect, and there is no one perfect, except Christ, and there will never be another perfect like him... You know, your missing out on a lot of perspectives by not having this perspective Jason, and sometimes, it shows...No offense...
God Bless!
Keeping the commandments looks like Jesus... Are you like Jesus...? Is anyone...?
Now, Does that mean we should not try to be like or more like Jesus...? No, it does not... But if you want to be realistic, your probably never always going to always be ever be continually perfect like he is perfect... That's the reality of it... But that does not mean you should not aim for the goal or try, (the effort, yields it's own rewards) (anyway) I think the fact that were never going to be perfect, leads to the beginning of the true gospel of the NT, and leads to many, many points and perspectives you just won't get if you think you can be perfect or are perfect, and can keep you from error or not following/believing in the true gospel...
That is the standard, perfection... and all who fall short of it, or fall short of that standard (and if were going to be honest, we do this continually)... All who fall short of it are not worthy... Now, Does not mean we should not try, no... But if you want the reality and the truth of it, short of this life, none of us are perfect, and there is no one perfect, except Christ, and there will never be another perfect like him... You know, your missing out on a lot of perspectives by not having this perspective Jason, and sometimes, it shows...No offense...
God Bless!
The commandments of Love and Jesus words are about keeping the commandments, but not in the way that I think you mean...Do you have an explanation for Matthew 7:26-27?
The commandments of Love and Jesus words are about keeping the commandments, but not in the way that I think you mean... I try to keep the commands the way Jesus did, but always fall short, and I think all do... But, the way Jesus did, is not the way many are trying to, or claiming or teaching to, ect, to follow the commandments, or how to even apply the law or commandments, anyway,Do you have an explanation for Matthew 7:26-27?
The commandments of Love and Jesus words are about keeping the commandments, but not in the way that I think you mean...
You said:Is your definition of perfect mean "sinlessness", and that you don't ever sin anymore...?
God Bless!
The commandments of Love and Jesus words are about keeping the commandments, but not in the way that I think you mean... I try to keep the commands the way Jesus did, but always fall short, and I think all do... But, the way Jesus did, is not the way many are trying to, or claiming or teaching to, ect, to follow the commandments, or how to even apply the law or commandments, anyway,
Is your definition of perfect mean "sinlessness", and that you don't ever sin anymore...?
God Bless!
This is over philosophy, differences of opinion, and I don't think that has to lead to any kind of "personal problems" at all, or things against the person...Alright Neogaia.
Thank you for the "heart likes."
While I disagree strongly with your view here, I think it is time to give it a rest because I do not see you addressing the verses I brought forth.
In any event, may God bless you this fine eventing.
With loving kindness to you in Christ,
Sincerely,
~ Jason.
The Law has changed
Things like the commands on circumcision, animal sacrifices, the Saturday Sabbath, etc. are no longer binding under the New Covenant. This is because the written Law given to Israel is no longer in effect (as a whole).
How so? Here are a list of verses:
7 "But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious." (2 Corinthians 3:7-11).
"When God speaks of a "new" covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear." (Hebrews 8:13) (NLT).
"But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter." (Romans 7:6).
"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;" (Colossians 2:14). 20 "Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not; 22 Which all are to perish with the using; ) after the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh." (Colossians 2:20-23). “By abolishing in His [own crucified] flesh the enmity [caused by] the Law with its decrees and ordinances [which He annulled]; that He from the two might create in Himself one new man [one new quality of humanity out of the two], so making peace.” (Ephesians 2:15) (AMPC).
"The old [former] rule [commandment; regulation] is now set aside [nullified; abolished], because it was weak and useless [ineffective]." (Hebrews 7:18) (EXB).
9 “Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.” (Hebrews 9:9-10).
8 “Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.” (Hebrews 10:8-9).
“And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.” (Acts of the Apostles 15:1).
“But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.” (Acts of the Apostles 15:5).
“Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment” (Acts of the Apostles 15:24).
28 "For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well." (Acts of the Apostles 15:28-29).
The Old Covenant says this about the Sabbath: 32 "And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
35 And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses." (Numbers 15:32-36).
Yet, the New Covenant says this about the Sabbath: "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:" (Colossians 2:16).
So it appears things have changed. This makes sense because Hebrews 7:12 says the Law has changed.
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