IS IT SIN TO BREAK THE 10 COMMANDMENTS? (Yep!)

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There is no tricke my dear friend; Ony God's WORD. Do you have any to share? You should revere Sola Scripture. Jesus is the Living Word of God.
But Jesus is so much more than scripture.
If you want to be Jewish fine. That is your choice. I'll be a Christian and worship on Sunday. I guess it could be worse. You could be keeping Friday.
 
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But Jesus is so much more than scripture.
If you want to be Jewish fine. That is your choice. I'll be a Christian and worship on Sunday. I guess it could be worse. You could be keeping Friday.

Actually, the Scriptures testify of Jesus Christ.
For we would not have faith in Jesus without God's Word.
For faith comes by hearing, and hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17).
I do not believe we can separate Jesus from His Word.
They breath together because they show us the mind of Christ and His will for our life. The Scriptures show us the gospel and the truth of Jesus (Which is salvation). Without God's Word pointing us to Jesus, we would be lost.

When Jesus returns, He is called the Word of God.
 
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The imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ works not only in believing in Jesus, but in walking in the light as He is in the light. Meaning we have to keep God the Father's commands as Jesus kept God the Father's commands in order for the blood of Jesus Christ to cleanse us from all sin.

"But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light,
we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."
(1 John 1:7).

The Light = God the Father.
Walk = Keep God's commandments.
As He is in the Light = As Christ is in God the Father.

For one does not have true faith if they are not actually being faithful.
For the devil's also believe and tremble;
And faith without works is dead.
Keep the commands, keep the commands, I know... I've heard this and argued this with you before and am not going to again or anymore...

But needless to say your wrong about what you mean by "keep the commands/commandments", and there are many things you have wrong (not all) but you won't listen to anyone else, or logic or reason so...

God Bless!
 
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Keep the commands, keep the commands, I know... I've heard this and argued this with you before and am not going to again or anymore...

But needless to say your wrong about what you mean by "keep the commands/commandments", and there are many things you have wrong (not all) but you won't listen to anyone else, or logic or reason so...

God Bless!

Jesus said if you love me, keep my commandments (John 14:15).
This is how Jesus describes how we are to love Him.
Paul says if any man loves not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be accursed (See 1 Corinthians 16:22). Jesus says if you will enter into life, keep the commandments (Matthew 19:17).
 
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Keep the commands, keep the commands, I know... I've heard this and argued this with you before and am not going to again or anymore...

But needless to say your wrong about what you mean by "keep the commands/commandments", and there are many things you have wrong (not all) but you won't listen to anyone else, or logic or reason so...

God Bless!

If you will not hear me, listen to the words of Jesus.

26 "And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it." (Matthew 7:26-27).

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If you will not hear me, listen to the words of Jesus.

26 "And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it." (Matthew 7:26-27).
"He that doeth the truth, he that loveth, he that cares, and has compassion and love and forgvieness in their heart... (on and on)", is a long way from what you mean by "keep the commandments" Jason...

Is keeping the commandments an act of God (in man), or is an act, or is because of, man...?

Did he make some of more of less able than others...? Do peoples pasts and backgrounds need to be considered...? Or are there any other, or is there any number of other things that would be factors that need to be considered in judgment of sin and a sinner...?

Your clearly overlooking or trying to overlook or avoid some things Jason...

God Bless!
 
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Jesus said if you love me, keep my commandments (John 14:15).
This is how Jesus describes how we are to love Him.
Paul says if any man loves not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be accursed (See 1 Corinthians 16:22). Jesus says if you will enter into life, keep the commandments (Matthew 19:17).
We love him from sort of self-effort and will of ours, or is keeping the commandments (which I think Jesus means "try" to keep my commandments, which I'm not saying you shouldn't give up trying to follow and obey, but only from the right heart and right perspective),

Anyway, that's wrong, and like I said there's a long way from "love and hope, faith, (good) justice, grace and mercy and truth and "all of that"" and what you mean in and by "keep the commandments" and teaching others the same, some might even say that's a false gospel... Trying to take us back to Law... Anyway...

Is it due to God or and act of God in us, or is due to and act of man...?

God Bless!
 
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"He that doeth the truth, he that loveth, he that cares, and has compassion and love and forgvieness in their heart... (on and on)", is a long way from what you mean by "keep the commandments" Jason...

Is keeping the commandments an act of God (in man), or is an act, or is because of, man...?

Did he make some of more of less able than others...? Do peoples pasts and backgrounds need to be considered...? Or are there any other, or is there any number of other things that would be factors that need to be considered in judgment of sin and a sinner...?

Your clearly overlooking or trying to overlook or avoid some things Jason...

God Bless!

First, I believe a person cannot obey God or Christ unless they repent of their sins to Jesus and they believe that He died and was risen on their behalf. Second, keeping Christ's commandments is the commands given to us by Jesus Christ and His followers in the New Testament. They are not suggestions but commands. Jesus says if you will enter into life, keep the commandments (Matthew 19:17).

Second, you are not really addressing the verses I have brought forth that condemns your distaste of keeping God's commands as a part of continuing to be right with God.

Three, I do not believe any good a true Christian does is by their own effort alone. It is only by the power of the Lord working in them, can they do any kind of good (like obeying His commands). It's why we are told: Put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ and fulfill not the lusts of the flesh (See Romans 13:14). For they that are Christ's have crucified the affections and lusts (See Galatians 5:24).

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Oh, and you are making lots of assumptions about what I believe "keeping the commandments" mean. Care to explain to me what you think I believe that is and how that is wrong according to the Bible?
 
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We love him from sort of self-effort and will of ours, or is keeping the commandments (which I think Jesus means "try" to keep my commandments, which I'm not saying you shouldn't give up trying to follow and obey, but only from the right heart and right perspective),

Anyway, that's wrong, and like I said there's a long way from "love and hope, faith, (good) justice, grace and mercy and truth and "all of that"" and what you mean in and by "keep the commandments" and teaching others the same, some might even say that's a false gospel... Trying to take us back to Law... Anyway...

Is it due to God or and act of God in us, or is due to and act of man...?

God Bless!

Nobody can be saved by law keeping alone without God or Christ. It is first by faith in Christ that we are saved. It is by what Jesus did for us that saves us. No true Christian denies this fact. But works and holiness do play a part in our salvation, too. If not, then Christians can still get into heaven even if they were to be unrepentant axe murdering rapists their whole lives. But God's grace does not work like that. A person actually has to repent and become a servant of the Lord Jesus Christ and not a servant of sin.
 
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First, I believe a person cannot obey God or Christ unless they repent of their sins to Jesus and they believe that He died and was risen on their behalf. Second, keeping Christ's commandments is the commands given to us by Jesus Christ and His followers in the New Testament. They are not suggestions but commands. Jesus says if you will enter into life, keep the commandments (Matthew 19:17).

Second, you are not really addressing the verses I have brought forth that condemns your distaste of keeping God's commands as a part of continuing to be right with God.

Three, I do not believe any good a true Christian does is by their own effort alone. It is only by the power of the Lord working in them, can they do any kind of good (like obeying His commands). It's why we are told: Put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ and fulfill not the lusts of the flesh (See Romans 13:14).

Side Note:

Oh, and you are making lots of assumptions about what I believe "keeping the commandments" mean. Care to explain to me what you think I believe that is and how that is wrong according to the Bible?

Nobody can be saved by law keeping alone without God or Christ. It is first by faith in Christ that we are saved. It is by what Jesus did for us that saves us. No true Christian denies this fact. But works and holiness do play a part in our salvation, too. If not, then Christians can still get into heaven even if they were to be unrepentant axe murdering rapists their whole lives. But God's grace does not work like that. A person actually has to repent and become a servant of the Lord Jesus Christ and not a servant of sin.

Keeping the commandments looks like Jesus... Are you like Jesus...? Is anyone...?

Now, Does that mean we should not try to be like or more like Jesus...? No, it does not... But if you want to be realistic, your probably never always going to always be ever be continually perfect like he is perfect... That's the reality of it... But that does not mean you should not aim for the goal or try, (the effort, yields it's own rewards) (anyway) I think the fact that were never going to be perfect, leads to the beginning of the true gospel of the NT, and leads to many, many points and perspectives you just won't get if you think you can be perfect or are perfect, and can keep you from error or not following/believing in the true gospel...

That is the standard, perfection... and all who fall short of it, or fall short of that standard (and if were going to be honest, we do this continually)... All who fall short of it are not worthy... Now, Does not mean we should not try, no... But if you want the reality and the truth of it, short of this life, none of us are perfect, and there is no one perfect, except Christ, and there will never be another perfect like him... You know, your missing out on a lot of perspectives by not having this perspective Jason, and sometimes, it shows...No offense...

God Bless!
 
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Keeping the commandments looks like Jesus... Are you like Jesus...? Is anyone...?

These kinds of questions make it sound like we cannot possibly keep Christ's commandments. Yet, Jesus told us that if we love Him, we are to keep His commandments (John 14:15). Jesus said if we are to enter into life, we are to keep the commandments (Matthew 19:17). Was Jesus lying when He said these things? You believe we cannot keep Christ's commandments. Yet, Jesus tells us to keep His commandments. Tell me. Why would Jesus tell us to do something that was impossible?

To me: It would seem pretty cruel of God to command me to do something that was impossible to do.

You said:
Now, Does that mean we should not try to be like or more like Jesus...? No, it does not... But if you want to be realistic, your probably never always going to always be ever be continually perfect like he is perfect... That's the reality of it... But that does not mean you should not aim for the goal or try, (the effort, yields it's own rewards) (anyway) I think the fact that were never going to be perfect, leads to the beginning of the true gospel of the NT, and leads to many, many points and perspectives you just won't get if you think you can be perfect or are perfect, and can keep you from error or not following/believing in the true gospel...

That is the standard, perfection... and all who fall short of it, or fall short of that standard (and if were going to be honest, we do this continually)... All who fall short of it are not worthy... Now, Does not mean we should not try, no... But if you want the reality and the truth of it, short of this life, none of us are perfect, and there is no one perfect, except Christ, and there will never be another perfect like him... You know, your missing out on a lot of perspectives by not having this perspective Jason, and sometimes, it shows...No offense...

God Bless!

I would suggest checking out the verses that have the word "perfect" in this thread here.
 
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Keeping the commandments looks like Jesus... Are you like Jesus...? Is anyone...?

Now, Does that mean we should not try to be like or more like Jesus...? No, it does not... But if you want to be realistic, your probably never always going to always be ever be continually perfect like he is perfect... That's the reality of it... But that does not mean you should not aim for the goal or try, (the effort, yields it's own rewards) (anyway) I think the fact that were never going to be perfect, leads to the beginning of the true gospel of the NT, and leads to many, many points and perspectives you just won't get if you think you can be perfect or are perfect, and can keep you from error or not following/believing in the true gospel...

That is the standard, perfection... and all who fall short of it, or fall short of that standard (and if were going to be honest, we do this continually)... All who fall short of it are not worthy... Now, Does not mean we should not try, no... But if you want the reality and the truth of it, short of this life, none of us are perfect, and there is no one perfect, except Christ, and there will never be another perfect like him... You know, your missing out on a lot of perspectives by not having this perspective Jason, and sometimes, it shows...No offense...

God Bless!

Do you have an explanation for Matthew 7:26-27?
 
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Do you have an explanation for Matthew 7:26-27?
The commandments of Love and Jesus words are about keeping the commandments, but not in the way that I think you mean...

Is your definition of perfect mean "sinlessness", and that you don't ever sin anymore...?

God Bless!
 
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Do you have an explanation for Matthew 7:26-27?
The commandments of Love and Jesus words are about keeping the commandments, but not in the way that I think you mean... I try to keep the commands the way Jesus did, but always fall short, and I think all do... But, the way Jesus did, is not the way many are trying to, or claiming or teaching to, ect, to follow the commandments, or how to even apply the law or commandments, anyway,

Is your definition of perfect mean "sinlessness", and that you don't ever sin anymore...?

God Bless!
 
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The commandments of Love and Jesus words are about keeping the commandments, but not in the way that I think you mean...

Keeping God's commandments (Walking in the light) relates to salvation (See 1 John 1:7).

Paul lists various grievous sins that will cause a person not to inherit the Kingdom of God (See Galatians 5:19-21).

Sin is merely the breaking of the Law or God's commands (See 1 John 3:4).

You said:
Is your definition of perfect mean "sinlessness", and that you don't ever sin anymore...?

God Bless!

Not allowed to talk about that topic within this thread. I provided a link to the proper thread to talk about that topic.
 
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The commandments of Love and Jesus words are about keeping the commandments, but not in the way that I think you mean... I try to keep the commands the way Jesus did, but always fall short, and I think all do... But, the way Jesus did, is not the way many are trying to, or claiming or teaching to, ect, to follow the commandments, or how to even apply the law or commandments, anyway,

Is your definition of perfect mean "sinlessness", and that you don't ever sin anymore...?

God Bless!

As for perfection or being sinless: Please see my thread link to talk about this topic. It is not allowed here.

Keeping God's commands is a part of the faith. Jesus would not command us to do something that we could not possibly do. Do you define keeping God's commands as keeping them sometimes? That is not really keeping them (technically speaking).
 
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Alright Neogaia.

Thank you for the "heart likes."
While I disagree strongly with your view here, I think it is time to give it a rest because I do not see you addressing the verses I brought forth.

In any event, may God bless you this fine eventing.

With loving kindness to you in Christ,

Sincerely,

~ Jason.
 
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Alright Neogaia.

Thank you for the "heart likes."
While I disagree strongly with your view here, I think it is time to give it a rest because I do not see you addressing the verses I brought forth.

In any event, may God bless you this fine eventing.

With loving kindness to you in Christ,

Sincerely,

~ Jason.
This is over philosophy, differences of opinion, and I don't think that has to lead to any kind of "personal problems" at all, or things against the person...

Anyway, Much Love and kindness to you brother,

God Bless!
 
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Hello Jason, thanks for sharing your thoughts.

However why have you not responded to the post you are quoting from that disagrees with you? You have not adressed the post and any scripture in it at all accept to make different claims no one is talking about.

If someone writes you are post you need to adress it to discuss it. Your post does not adress the scriptures posted in post # 165 linked above.

Some comments for your consideration below.

The Law has changed

Nope! God's Covenant has changed not his law. You mix up the shadow laws from the MOSAIC book of the covenant (Exodus 24:7) with God's eternal law (Psalms 19:9-11) that give us a knowledge of GOOD AND EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOUESNESS (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; James 2:8-11; Psalms 119:172). If God's Law is eternal how can they change (Psalms 19:9-11)? If you do not understand what the OLD COVENANT is how can you know what the NEW COVENANT is?

Things like the commands on circumcision, animal sacrifices, the Saturday Sabbath, etc. are no longer binding under the New Covenant. This is because the written Law given to Israel is no longer in effect (as a whole).

Nope! Gods 4th commandment is not part of the Mosaic book of the laws it is written in the 10 Commandments which were written on two tables of stone with the other 9.

Where is circumcision, animal sacrifices written under the 10 Commandments?

Again, you are mixing up your shadow laws from the MOSAIC book of the covenant (Exodus 24:7) with God's eternal law (Psalm 19:9-11) that give us a knowledge of GOOD AND EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOUESNESS (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; James 2:8-11; Psalms 119:172). If God's Law is eternal how can they change (Psalms 19:9-11)? If you do not understand what the OLD COVENANT is how can you know what the NEW COVENANT is?

Now your argument is that the 10 Commandments is written for Israel but we have to keep 9 of them in the NEW COVENANT but the 4th commandment we no longer have to? Not very consistant brother. Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment is now abolsihed and we are not commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

Who is God's ISRAEL under the NEW COVENANT? Gentiles are now grafted into God's ISRAEL (Romans 11:16-27). If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT (Hebrews 8:10-12).

ROMANS 9:6-8 [6], FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> [8], That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

GALATIANS 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

How so? Here are a list of verses:

7 "But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious." (2 Corinthians 3:7-11).

Dear brother your now taking scripture out of CONTEXT. 2 Corinthians 3 is talkiing about the OLD to the NEW COVENANT. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is?

CONTEXT is

2 CORINTHIANS 3:1-10
[1], Do we begin again to commend ourselves? or need we, as some others, epistles of commendation to you, or letters of commendation from you?
[2], You are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:
[3], Since you are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshly tables of the heart.
[4],
And such trust have we through Christ toward God:
[5], Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think anything as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
[6], Who also has made us able ministers of the new covenant; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter kills, but the spirit gives life.
[7], But if the ministry of death, written and engraved in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not steadfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
[8], How shall not the ministry of the Spirit be more glorious?
[9], For if the ministry of condemnation be glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness exceed in glory.
[10], For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excels.

Now take a look at v3 highlighted in RED which is the CONTEXT or what follows.

Now take a look at the NEW COVENANT promise from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and repeated by the same same author as Corinthians in Hebrews 8:10-12 and 10:16-17

Hebrews 8:10-12
[10], For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
[11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
[12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

2 Corinthians 3 is talking about the NEW COVENANT of God's LAW written on the heart through LOVE by His Spirit. Moving from the tables of stone to the fleshly tables of the heart (2 Cor 3:3; Hebrews 8:10)

Let's look at the scriptures laid out together side by side...

2 CORINTHIANS 3:3, [3], Since you are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshly tables of the heart.

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Hebrews 8:10 [10], For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people.

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JEREMIAH 31:33 [33], But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, said the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

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EZEKIEL 36:26-27 [26], A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

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2 CORINTHIANS 3:3 [3], Since you are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshly tables of the heart.

continuing in Ezekiel 36..

[27], And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and you shall keep my judgments, and do them.

God's Spirit of love...

ROAMNS 13:8-10 [8], Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law. [9], For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. [10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: THEREFORE LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

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CONCLUSION
: 2 Cor 3 is talking about the NEW COVENANT of LOVE written on the heart to walk in God's LAW, through LOVE. It is NOT talking about ABOLISHING God's LAW it is talking about FULFILLING God's LAW in those who BELIEVE God's WORD. This is RIGHTEOUSNESS (Salvation) by FAITH for a SINNER that BELIEVES the WORD'S of the SAVIOUR (JESUS). What is being ABOLISHED is the condemnation and the penalty of sin [DEATH] through FAITH in Christ by walking in the Spirit under the NEW COVENANT.

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SIN is still the same as it has always been which is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

Sorry Jason God's WORD disagrees with you :wave:
 
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"When God speaks of a "new" covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear." (Hebrews 8:13) (NLT).

Indeed but if you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is? You mix up the shadow laws from the MOSAIC book of the covenant (Exodus 24:7) with God's eternal law (Psalms 19:9-11) that give us a knowledge of GOOD AND EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOUESNESS (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; James 2:8-11; Psalms 119:172). If God's Law is eternal how can they change (Psalms 19:9-11)?

You have left out the context again for the scripture you quote in Hebrews 8:13.

Lets have a look at what the chapter is referring to..

HEBREWS 8:1-7

[1], Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such a high priest, who sat down on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
[2], A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

Note the context of v13 we are talking about Jesus as our high Priest in the Heavenly Sanctuary ministering for us on our behalf.

[3], For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: therefore it is of necessity that this man have something also to offer.

In the earthly Sanctuary sacrifices were required for forgiveness of sin

[4], For if he were on earth, he would not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:

Jesus is not doing this on earth but in heaven.

[5], Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, says he, that you make all things according to the pattern showed to you in the mount.

The earthly Sanctuary was a Shadow of the heavenly that Moses made according to the pattern shown him from God.

[6], But now has he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Jesus has a more excellent ministry now under a BETTER COVENANT.

[7], For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

OK NOTE WHAT LAWS ARE WE TALKING about from the OLD COVENANT was it the 10 COMMANDMENTS? OR THE MOSAIC BOOK OF THE LAW for remission of sin?

EXODUS 24 [7], And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

CONTEXT is talking about the changing of the role of the high priest and the ministration of Jesus as our great high Priest and sacrifice for sin under the NEW COVENANT it's application is to the SHADOW laws of the OLD TESTAMENT from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT. NOT THE 10 COMMANDMENTS. These scriptures show you have taken your interpretation out of CONTEXT which is HEBREWS 8:1-7.

"But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter." (Romans 7:6).

You have lost your conext again brother..

ROMANS 7:5-7
[5], For when we were in the flesh [SINFUL HUMAN NATURE], the passions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
[6], But now we are delivered from the law, being dead to that in which we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

NOTE: v5 when we were in the FLESH [sinful human nature] we were condemned to death [the wages of sin is death Romans 6:23] v6 But NOW being delivered from the law; [How are we being deleivered from the law?] Being dead to that which has bound us. [What has bound us?] that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
v5 it is sin that has bound us we need to be dead to it to serve in newness of life under the Spirit of LOVE and not of the oldness of the letter. Being dead to that which has bound us [SIN] we have forgivness and have been delivered from the fruit of sin [DEATH] v5.

[7], What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, you shall not covet.

"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;" (Colossians 2:14). 20 "Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not; 22 Which all are to perish with the using; ) after the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh." (Colossians 2:20-23). “By abolishing in His [own crucified] flesh the enmity [caused by] the Law with its decrees and ordinances [which He annulled]; that He from the two might create in Himself one new man [one new quality of humanity out of the two], so making peace.” (Ephesians 2:15) (AMPC).

Leaving out CONTEXT again brother. What is the chapter context is it the 10 Commandments of the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT?

v11 Shadow law of CIRCUMCISION
v12 Shadows of Baptism
v13 Shadows of death to sin and UNCIRCUMCISION

CONTEXT is not the 10 Commandments the CONTEXT is the shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT.

v14 Blotting out the HANDWRITING of ORDINANCES that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

GREEK WORD MEANINGS AND WORD USE

14, “BLOTTING OUT” < G1813 ἐξαλείφωexaleipho (ex-a-lei'-fō) v. means to rub out, i.e. obliterate, erase>the “HANDWRITING” < G5498 χειρόγραφονcheirographon (chei-ro'-gra-fon) n. means something hand-written (“chirograph”), a manuscript specially, a legal document > of “ORDINANCES” < G1378 δόγμα dogma (d̮og'-ma) n. means ordinance; CIVIL, CEREMONIAL or ECCLIESIASTICAL laws >that was against us, WHICH WERE AGAINST , and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

The GREEK WORD meanings here in this scripture show that it follows the same CONTEXT of v11-13 is in relation to the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES found in the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT.

V14 Blotting out or erasing the legal MANUSCRIPT or document of ORDINANCES referred to here are those of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT. The GREEK word for ORDIANACE is DOGMA mean ing THE CIVIL, CEREMONIAL and ECCLESIASTICAL ORDINANCES once again only found in the MOSAIC BOOK of the Covenant

Can you see your errors here brother in every case so far you have taken scripture out of Context.

"The old [former] rule [commandment; regulation] is now set aside [nullified; abolished], because it was weak and useless [ineffective]." (Hebrews 7:18) (EXB).

9 “Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.” (Hebrews 9:9-10).

8 “Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.” (Hebrews 10:8-9).

Now once again are the scriptures you have provided here in HEBREWS 10 talking about God's 10 Commandments or are they talking about the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT for remission of sins? Once again there is no mention of the 10 Commandments here. We are talking about the Shadow laws for remission of sins from the MOSIAC BOOK of the COVENANT.

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“And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.” (Acts of the Apostles 15:1).

“But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.” (Acts of the Apostles 15:5).

“Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment” (Acts of the Apostles 15:24).

28 "For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well." (Acts of the Apostles 15:28-29).

Already addressed ACTS 15 in detail here CLICK ME. ACTS 15 topic of CONTEXT is adressing the questions "IS CIRCUMCISION A REQUIREMENT FOR SALVATION" ACTS 15:1. It is not talking about the 10 commandments but CIRCUMCISION from the MOSAIC BOOK of the law which is fulfilled in the NEW COVANANT. New gentile believers were to learn more about God in the Synagogues every Sabbath v21

The Old Covenant says this about the Sabbath: 32 "And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
35 And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses." (Numbers 15:32-36).

CONTEXT brother you have left it out of every scripture you have provided in your posts as has been proven to you so far by adding in the scriptures you have left out.

Your scripture is correct under the OLD COVENANT and CIVIL LAWS of ISRAEL not only were people killed for breaking God's 4th Commandment Sabbath, what you left out here is that people were killed for OPENLY breaking nearly ALL of God's 10 Commandments. For example serving other god's death penalty (Deuteronomy 13:16-18; 1 Samuel 26:19), Idolartry death pemalty (Deuteronomy 13:1-10; 17:2-5; 27:15; 7:25-26), using God's name in vain death penalty (Leviticus 24:10-17), Breaking the Sabbath, death penalty (Exodus 31:14-15; 35:2), Dishonor parents death penalty (Leviticus 20:9; Deuteronomy 21:18-21; Exodus 21:17, Murder death penalty (Exodus 21:12-14), Adultery death penalty (Leviticus 20; John 8:5), Stealing (kidnapping) death penalty Exodus 21:16, Lying death penalty (Deuteronomy 19:15-21).

Under the NEW COVENANT the wages of SIN is still the DEATH penalty although judgment is executed at the 2nd coming and final judgment (Romans 6:23; James 2:8-12; Romans 2:12-13)

So no brother those scripture do not help you.

Yet, the New Covenant says this about the Sabbath: "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:" (Colossians 2:16).

Already addressed above Colossians 2 chapter CONTEXT and topic of discussion is the laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT in ORDINANCES, NOT the 10 Commandments.

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Read it if you disagree prove it from scripture as shown you in the liked post were your interpretation is shown to be false because you took out context from your interpretation.

So it appears things have changed. This makes sense because Hebrews 7:12 says the Law has changed.

Already show above you have taken scripture out of context in every use of scripture in this post. As shown earlier in Hebrews 10; Hebrews 7 is talking about the change in the Levitical priest hood and sanctuary laws from the MOSAIC book of the Covenant not the 10 commandments. Read the scriptures.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

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Now Jason the laws 2-3 posts made to you prove with scripture that your references have been taken out of Context? Hope you can see this now.

If you disagree then please adress the full content of my posts to you as I hace done for you so we can discuss it. If you cannot then we should believe the Word of God over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. (Matthew 15:3-9)

Sorry Jason, God's WORD disagrees with you :wave:
 
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