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Is it possible we have been lied to for years?

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Zaha Torte

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Or the government since it's illegal.

Is the topic over now, I take it?
It was not illegal when the LDS Church first practiced it, and I am of the opinion that the US made it illegal as a direct response to the LDS practice - a clear violation of their First Amendment rights.

I wonder if you would be so ready to dismiss a conversation if a practice that held religious significance to you was suddenly made illegal.
 
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Hmmm. I literally said a husband needs to do a lot more than materially provide in the post you quoted. Theres no way you could have missed it. It was my whole point.

I think youre deliberately trying to misread me in order to make a point. This is no way to have a discussion.
You immediately assumed that my claim that a man having difficulty "providing" for his wife and children was just about money.

You turning around and saying otherwise does not make what you initially assumed go away.
 
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You immediately assumed that my claim that a man having difficulty "providing" for his wife and children was just about money.

You turning around and saying otherwise does not make what you initially assumed go away.
Yeah I assumed thats what you meant. Its pretty typical. Provider. Breadwinner. Etc.

Thats no indication that I think being a husband is just a material task, esp not when I explicitly state otherwise for you.

So I was wrong about what you meant. Big deal. Just correct me about what you meant.
 
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I believe that Fox is failing in that metric unless you have some source that says otherwise.
He's referring to the lawsuit where Fox News had to pay out $787.5 million in damages to Dominion for the various false statements Fox News knowingly made about them.
 
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Yeah I assumed thats what you meant. Its pretty typical. Provider. Breadwinner. Etc.

Thats no indication that I think being a husband is just a material task, esp not when I explicitly state otherwise for you.

So I was wrong about what you meant. Big deal. Just correct me about what you meant.
I already did and you focused only on my off-hand remark and not my argument.
 
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I believe that Fox is failing in that metric unless you have some source that says otherwise.
 
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You don't think entertainers should be compensated for their skills? Sounds like SOCIALISM! to me.
How genuine can an endorsement been when when someone is paid millions for it . Heck I would done it for that ! Like I said no one would care what I had to say anyway. Well over a billion dollars and still in debt , wow she really was a bad candidate.
 
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How genuine can an endorsement been when when someone is paid millions for it .
Moving the goal posts, I see.

Not surprising, given the diversion was originally an attempt to conflate entertainers being paid for their services with a legal settlement for lying about the election.
 
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Moving the goal posts, I see.

Not surprising, given the diversion was originally an attempt to conflate entertainers being paid for their services with a legal settlement for lying about the election.
The only ones lying about an election are the ones saying that 2020 was the most free and fair election of all. So when I accuse you of a diversion and your response is to accuse me of a diversion that in and of it’s self is a diversion. I made no such comparison, I believe you did.
 
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It's an even more devastating own? Is it "pwnage"?

"They're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats" wasn't said about white billionaire heirs of South African emerald mine owning families who benefited from decades of Apartheid.

It's okay my Mormon friend, you're allowed to come outside and touch grass. The grass can't hurt you. Donald Trump's next four years as president can, and probably will hurt you, but the grass is still fine.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Talk about spin! Interesting how you leave out “illegal “ immigrants who actually by definition are lawbreaking criminals.
I've heard on this very board that simply breaking the law doesn't make one a criminal. To achieve that status, one has to have been tried, convicted and sentenced.
 
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We are told:

Trump hates immigrants
But
Just appointed an immigrant from South Africa and the son of immigrants to a high level advisors position.
Oh my. We do not need to be told he hates immigrants - his own words show that he demonizes them. I would not be surprised if Mr. Trump personally does not hate immigrants, but he obviously believes that his base does.

He has said that "undocumented immigrants were “poisoning the blood of our country,” using language that is often employed by white supremacists.

We are not "told" that he said this - he actually said this.

And he has also said this:

My first day back at the White House, I will terminate every open-borders policy of the Biden administration, stop the invasion of our Southern border and begin the largest domestic deportation operation in American history,

This is what is so pernicious about this issue. You can claim that the term "invasion" is not a fear-mongering distortion. But we all know what is going on - it is a carefully chosen word intended to wildly exaggerate the problem and appeal to xenophobic sentiments.

And Trump has also said this:

We have people coming into the country or trying to come in, we're stopping a lot of them, but we're taking people out of the country. You wouldn't believe how bad these people are. These aren't people. These are animals."

There is no debate: whether or not Mr. Trump actually believes what he is saying is, of course, hard to know. But, it is beyond above obvious, as the above examples show, that he is stooping to the worst kind of demonizing rhetoric to appeal to xenophobia in the American electorate.

His own words prove this - whether people lie about him or not.
 
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Oh my. We do not need to be told he hates immigrants - his own words show that he demonizes them. I would not be surprised if Mr. Trump personally does not hate immigrants, but he obviously believes that his base does.

He has said that "undocumented immigrants were “poisoning the blood of our country,” using language that is often employed by white supremacists.

We are not "told" that he said this - he actually said this.

And he has also said this:

My first day back at the White House, I will terminate every open-borders policy of the Biden administration, stop the invasion of our Southern border and begin the largest domestic deportation operation in American history,

This is what is so pernicious about this issue. You can claim that the term "invasion" is not a fear-mongering distortion. But we all know what is going on - it is a carefully chosen word intended to wildly exaggerate the problem and appeal to xenophobic sentiments.

And Trump has also said this:

We have people coming into the country or trying to come in, we're stopping a lot of them, but we're taking people out of the country. You wouldn't believe how bad these people are. These aren't people. These are animals."

There is no debate: whether or not Mr. Trump actually believes what he is saying is, of course, hard to know. But, it is beyond above obvious, as the above examples show, that he is stooping to the worst kind of demonizing rhetoric to appeal to xenophobia in the American electorate.

His own words prove this - whether people lie about him or not.
Absolutely. That is why he lost …. Oh, wait ….

No, wait that is why his cabinet will not have anyone other than rich white men. … oh, wait

Well he certainly will not have a Muslim in his cabinet because he hates them. … oh, wait

Well he will not have immigrants near him or serving his administration because he hates them … oh, wait

Well he certainly will not have a gay man because he hates them. Oh, wait

Hmmm….

First woman in the history of the US to be Chief of staff - Donald Trump

First gay man in the history of the US to serve in his cabinet - Donald Trump

First Latino to serve as Secretary of State. Donald Trump

Hmmm….
 
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It has nothing to do with love or hate.
It has to do with population.
America was the last place to gain population historically
There are reasons for that.
The ideal population is 200 million with a technologically advanced society
but then the entire world is overcrowded and the future in any area is not looking good, economically and environmentally.
 
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The latest is calling him a fascist which is expressly against forum rules,
Really? I am surprised that calling a political leader a "fascist" would be against forum rules. Could a political leader be a fascist? Of course! Could Donald Trump be a fascist? Of course! Anyone can be a fascist. I perhaps can understand why we are not allowed to call each other fascist on this site, but I would be very surprised if calling a political leader a fascist would be against the rules.
 
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Really? I am surprised that calling a political leader a "fascist" would be against forum rules. Could a political leader be a fascist? Of course! Could Donald Trump be a fascist? Of course! Anyone can be a fascist. I perhaps can understand why we are not allowed to call each other fascist on this site, but I would be very surprised if calling a political leader a fascist would be against the rules.
The forum rules are easy to find and self explanatory. Or ask one of our wonderful Advisors to help you.

They are very fair and unbiased in their approach and will defend forum rules
 
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Absolutely. That is why he lost …. Oh, wait ….
You are obviously evading.

Yes, the composition of his cabinet could be taken as an item of evidence that he is not all the bad things I and others believe him to be.

But I have presented his own very words that prove that, whether he personally hates immigrants or not, he certainly is appealing to such a sentiment in the voters.

It is exceedingly plausible to believe that he has carefully chosen his cabinet to try to play it both ways - win votes by appealing to xenophobia while also picking his cabinet to be able to say "hey, I have nothing against immigrants".

Simple question for you: how do you explain the xenophobic things he has said per my post? You did not address this at all.
 
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The forum rules are easy to find and self explanatory. Or ask one of our wonderful Advisors to help you.

They are very fair and unbiased in their approach and will defend forum rules
You made the claim that it would be against forum rules to call Mr. Trump a fascist. It is therefore incumbent on you to defend your claim. Where, exactly, do the rules specify anything that would make calling Mr. Trump a fascist a violation of the rules?
 
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