Is it possible to lose salvation?

[Dan Perez]

This is wrong on so many levels I don't even know where to start.

Those who Christ was judged for, paid for, reconciled to God, will never go to hell. Because they are adopted to God's family, children of God, sealed by the Spirit.

Galatians 4 I mean that the heir, as long as he is a child, is no different from a slave,though he is the owner of everything, 2 but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by his father. 3 In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principles of the world. 4 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6 And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” 7 So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God.

God only has one Son, and it is the Lord Jesus Christ. We are placed into Christ, and therefore we become heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus Christ.

God’s astounding love is the cause, the motive, the drive behind our adoption. He loves the Son, He places us in the Son, and He loves us the way He loves the Son.

No matter how you and others twist these verses, Christians have been adopted into the family of God, and are sons of God. I know who I am, and I know to whom I belong.

When we were justified, when we were converted, when we were saved, we were sealed with the Spirit of promise. The Spirit of promise took up residence in our heart. The Spirit was given to us as a pledge of our inheritance, which is coming later at the redemption of our bodies when we enter into the presence of the Lord.

Christians have a future inheritance. Christians have an inheritance that the Lord has prepared for us, because we are true believers. That inheritance is laid up for us in heaven.

You can believe whatever you want, but I am going to trust God's worth that nothing will separate me from His love. I put all my faith in Christ and not in me and how I live as a Christian. I am going to fully trust God's promises, and fully trust His assurances. I don't need you and your wrong interpretations of Jesus' promise that He will lose none.

I can only pray for people who claim salvation that can be lost, that God open their heart and eyes to see. And to pray for God for stop this evil deception once and for all.

And Gal 3:28 says , we ARE // ESTE is in the Greek PRESENT TENSE and means we are ALWAYS in Christ , PERIOD !!

dan p

 

[Tom8907]

No God wouldn't save you from falling off a cliff and then push you back down again.

 

[Wansvic]

No God wouldn't save you from falling off a cliff and then push you back down again.

God is not the problem. Man is. There are those who will choose to walk away. (2 Tim. 4:10, 1 Tim. 4:1, Heb 6:4)

 

[JulieB67]

The verse you post from Revelation shows that it is not possible, as Jesus states He will not blot out a name written in the book of life.

Show me the verse that states those believers that do not oversometh, their name will be blotted out.

That's literally what those verses are stating. Common sense alone tells us if Christ states that anyone who overcomes will not have their names blotted out-that anyone that does not repent and overcomes is in danger of having their names blotted out. Meaning it is possible. He is talking to churches and talking to those that had fallen away for whatever reason. He's not talking to unbelievers.

Revelation 2:5 "Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent."


Revelation 2:7 "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Revelation 2:11 "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death."

Revelation 3:3 "Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon you."

Christ is telling them to "remember" what they received and heard" and hold fast and repent. These people received the truth at one point so why is Christ telling them these things if their salvation is a sure thing? That makes no sense at all.

Revelation 3:5 "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

This verse without a doubt tells us that only those that overcome will not have their names blotted out.

If we can't believe Christ's revealing these truths to us what does that state about our overall belief in him?

 

[Tom8907]

God is not the problem. Man is. There are those who will choose to walk away. (2 Tim. 4:10, 1 Tim. 4:1, Heb 6:4)

It's not a salvation if we can lose it.

 

[Wansvic]

It's not a salvation if we can lose it.

See the scriptures noted. (2 Tim. 4:10, 1 Tim. 4:1, Heb 6:4)

Many are uncomfortable with the idea, but even the Apostle Paul realized his own destiny was not a done deal: "But I keep control of my body, and bring it into subjection, lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." 1 Cor. 9:27

 

[warren rice]

Jesus had a lot to say about and this taught that the path to eternal life is narrow and that few find it. In Matthew 7:13-14, He said;

"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."​

This shows that salvation is not guaranteed for everyone, and only those who stay faithful and follow His teachings will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Jesus also warned that some would hear the word and believe for a while, but eventually fall away. In the Parable of the Sower, He explained;

"But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles." (Matthew 13:20-21).​

This illustrates that some will start their walk with God but will not persevere when faced with trials or temptations.

In John 15:6, Jesus made it even clearer, saying;

"If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned."​

Here, Jesus compares Himself to a vine and believers as branches. A branch must remain connected to the vine to stay alive and bear fruit. If a person disconnects from Christ through disobedience or unbelief, they wither spiritually and face eternal judgment.


The original apostles also confirmed this truth. Peter warned in 2 Peter 2:20-21;

"For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them."​

This shows that a person who was once saved and returns to sin is in a worse condition than before they knew the truth.

James also affirmed this truth when he said;

"Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins."​

(James 5:19-20).​

This verse reveals that a believer can wander away from the truth and face spiritual death unless they repent and return to God.

The Bible does provide examples of those who lost their salvation. Judas Iscariot was one of the twelve apostles chosen by Jesus, yet he betrayed the Lord for thirty pieces of silver. Jesus Himself said about Judas;

"It would have been good for that man if he had not been born." (Matthew 26:24).​

This shows that Judas was once in the faith but fell away and was lost.​

Another example is Balaam, a prophet who once heard from God but later led Israel into sin for personal gain. Peter referred to him, saying,

"They have forsaken the right way and gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Beor." (2 Peter 2:15). King Saul is yet another example; he was chosen and anointed by God but later disobeyed and rebelled, and the Spirit of God departed from him (1 Samuel 16:14)​

Jesus' words make it clear that salvation is not a one-time event but requires endurance and faithfulness until the end. As He said in Matthew 24:13, "But he who endures to the end shall be saved." Therefore, those who abide in Christ, obey His commandments, and remain faithful will receive eternal life. However, those who turn away from Him and return to sin risk losing their salvation and facing eternal separation from God.

 

[warren rice]

Jesus had a lot to say about and this taught that the path to eternal life is narrow and that few find it. In Matthew 7:13-14, He said;
"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."This shows that salvation is not guaranteed for everyone, and only those who stay faithful and follow His teachings will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

You need to rightly dividing the word of truth.
Matthew 7:13-14
These verses are talking about Revelation 6 “For the great day of His wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?” Revelation 2:10 “Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.”
The Tribulation, also known as the Great Tribulation, is an unprecedented period that will be experienced on the earth. There has never been a time like it before and there will never be one like it after.
The word “tribulation” means severe trial or suffering, and the Great Tribulation is a time of God’s judgment for man’s rebellion. This period, which lasts seven years, begins with the rapture of the church and during this time God will complete his discipline of Israel and final judgment upon the unbelieving citizens of the world. Matthew 24:21-22 “For there will be greater anguish than at any time since the world began. And it will never be so great again. In fact, unless that time of calamity is shortened, not a single person will survive. But it will be shortened for the sake of God’s chosen ones”

 

[warren rice]

You need to rightly dividing the word of truth.
Matthew 7:13-14
These verses are talking about Revelation 6 “For the great day of His wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?” Revelation 2:10 “Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.”
The Tribulation, also known as the Great Tribulation, is an unprecedented period that will be experienced on the earth. There has never been a time like it before and there will never be one like it after.
The word “tribulation” means severe trial or suffering, and the Great Tribulation is a time of God’s judgment for man’s rebellion. This period, which lasts seven years, begins with the rapture of the church and during this time God will complete his discipline of Israel and final judgment upon the unbelieving citizens of the world. Matthew 24:21-22 “For there will be greater anguish than at any time since the world began. And it will never be so great again. In fact, unless that time of calamity is shortened, not a single person will survive. But it will be shortened for the sake of God’s chosen ones”

Revelation 7:14 "And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb".

 

[Dan Perez]

No God wouldn't save you from falling off a cliff and then push you back down again.

If you have a verse , be happy to see it ?

But first read 2 Tim 2:11- 14 as I have and other verse 1 Cor 1-5 , especially verse 5 and have MORE !

And it means OSAS !!

dan p

 

[Mikeys]

If a Christian believer stop believing in Jesus as their savior, then they are no longer saved from damnation once they die. I do not believe "Once saved always saved" salvation. Nowhere in the New Testament supports that narrative. And the claim "well, then they were never saved to begin with" doesn't make any sense to me, since pastors and preachers told everyone that they are saved earlier.

 

[warren rice]

Jesus had a lot to say about and this taught that the path to eternal life is narrow and that few find it. In Matthew 7:13-14, He said;
"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."This shows that salvation is not guaranteed for everyone, and only those who stay faithful and follow His teachings will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

 

[warren rice]

Jesus had a lot to say about and this taught that the path to eternal life is narrow and that few find it. In Matthew 7:13-14, He said;

"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."​

This shows that salvation is not guaranteed for everyone, and only those who stay faithful and follow His teachings will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Jesus also warned that some would hear the word and believe for a while, but eventually fall away. In the Parable of the Sower, He explained;

"But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles." (Matthew 13:20-21).​

This illustrates that some will start their walk with God but will not persevere when faced with trials or temptations.

In John 15:6, Jesus made it even clearer, saying;

"If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned."​

Here, Jesus compares Himself to a vine and believers as branches. A branch must remain connected to the vine to stay alive and bear fruit. If a person disconnects from Christ through disobedience or unbelief, they wither spiritually and face eternal judgment.


The original apostles also confirmed this truth. Peter warned in 2 Peter 2:20-21;

"For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them."​

This shows that a person who was once saved and returns to sin is in a worse condition than before they knew the truth.

James also affirmed this truth when he said;

"Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins."​

(James 5:19-20).​

This verse reveals that a believer can wander away from the truth and face spiritual death unless they repent and return to God.

The Bible does provide examples of those who lost their salvation. Judas Iscariot was one of the twelve apostles chosen by Jesus, yet he betrayed the Lord for thirty pieces of silver. Jesus Himself said about Judas;

"It would have been good for that man if he had not been born." (Matthew 26:24).​

This shows that Judas was once in the faith but fell away and was lost.​

Another example is Balaam, a prophet who once heard from God but later led Israel into sin for personal gain. Peter referred to him, saying,

"They have forsaken the right way and gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Beor." (2 Peter 2:15). King Saul is yet another example; he was chosen and anointed by God but later disobeyed and rebelled, and the Spirit of God departed from him (1 Samuel 16:14)​

Jesus' words make it clear that salvation is not a one-time event but requires endurance and faithfulness until the end. As He said in Matthew 24:13, "But he who endures to the end shall be saved." Therefore, those who abide in Christ, obey His commandments, and remain faithful will receive eternal life. However, those who turn away from Him and return to sin risk losing their salvation and facing eternal separation from God.

 

[warren rice]

If salvation is not guaranteed, and only those who stay faithful and follow His teachings will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, why did Christ die and shed His blood on the cross? You are saying your good deeds save you, and Jesus means nothing.
"Faithfulness and following His teachings are how to enter the Kingdom."
Ephesians 2:8,9
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God." IS THIS A LIE?
Are you saying the gift of God does not save us through faith, but "Faithfulness and following His teachings saved us?"
Acts 4:12
"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none another name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." IS THIS A LIE TOO?
What are you saying? There is no salvation in Jesus Christ; "your Faithfulness and following His teachings are the ways to enter the Kingdom."
Romans 5:1
"Therefore, being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ." IS THIS A LIE?
Are we not justified by faith? Do we not have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ? It is your "Faithfulness and following His teachings on how to enter the Kingdom."
Ephesians 1:13,14
"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory."
IS THIS A LIE TOO?
Are we not SEALED with that holy Spirit of promise? It is your "Faithfulness and following His teachings on how to enter the Kingdom."
How do you know if you are faithful enough?
If you are faithful and follow His teachings, it is the way to enter the Kingdom, and then unfaithfulness to His teaching will keep you from entering it, and Jesus Christ does nothing for you.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

If salvation is not guaranteed, and only those who stay faithful and follow His teachings will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, why did Christ die and shed His blood on the cross? You are saying your good deeds save you, and Jesus means nothing.
"Faithfulness and following His teachings are how to enter the Kingdom."
Ephesians 2:8,9
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God." IS THIS A LIE?
Are you saying the gift of God does not save us through faith, but "Faithfulness and following His teachings saved us?"
Acts 4:12
"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none another name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." IS THIS A LIE TOO?
What are you saying? There is no salvation in Jesus Christ; "your Faithfulness and following His teachings are the ways to enter the Kingdom."
Romans 5:1
"Therefore, being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ." IS THIS A LIE?
Are we not justified by faith? Do we not have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ? It is your "Faithfulness and following His teachings on how to enter the Kingdom."
Ephesians 1:13,14
"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory."
IS THIS A LIE TOO?
Are we not SEALED with that holy Spirit of promise? It is your "Faithfulness and following His teachings on how to enter the Kingdom."
How do you know if you are faithful enough?
If you are faithful and follow His teachings, it is the way to enter the Kingdom, and then unfaithfulness to His teaching will keep you from entering it, and Jesus Christ does nothing for you.

you take snipets of verses and off context to make your points, Jesus said clearly that many are called but few make it, was this a lie? Jesus being One with GOD has all authority in heaven and earth remember that.

as for works, they serve to demonstrate your faith as James brother of Jesus said;
Jas 2:14 What good is it, my brothers, if someone claims to have faith, but has no deeds? Can such faith save him?

Jas 2:15 Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food.

Jas 2:16 If one of you tells him, “Go in peace; stay warm and well fed,” but does not provide for his physical needs, what good is that?

Jas 2:17 So too, faith by itself, if it does not result in action, is dead.

Jas 2:18 But someone will say, “You have faith and I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds.

Jas 2:19 You believe that God is one. Good for you! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

Jas 2:20 O foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is worthless?

Jas 2:21 Was not our father Abraham justified by what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?

Jas 2:22 You see that his faith was working with his actions, and his faith was perfected by what he did.

Jas 2:23 And the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called a friend of God.

Jas 2:24 As you can see, a man is justified by his deeds and not by faith alone.

Jas 2:25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute justified by her actions when she welcomed the spies and sent them off on another route?

Jas 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

 

[TruthInLight]

Yes, the question is related to the topic, the scripture, says the sheep hears his voice, and will never perish, then why you can lose your salvation if you are a sheep?.

I give you these passages/scriptures.

Hebrews 5:9
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

1 Peter 2:24
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Isaiah 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Ezekiel 18:29-32
29 Yet saith the house of Israel, The way of the Lord is not equal. O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal?
30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.

Luke 13:1-5
1 There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.
2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Revelation 3:19-20
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Mark 6:10-12
10 And he said unto them, In what place soever ye enter into an house, there abide till ye depart from that place.
11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent.

Luke 15:4-7
4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.
6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.
7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

 

[Trivalee]

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If a person has believed in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life (salvation). Then no, that person can not lose their Eternal Life (salvation).

So if you do not want to spend eternity with God. Do not believe in Jesus, because if you do and something happens and you end up getting mad or hating God. There will be nothing you can do, you will end up spending eternity with God on the new earth.

Can you support your view with one or two scriptures to show that salvation cannot be lost once received?

 

[Trivalee]

It's not a salvation if we can lose it.

If salvation cannot be lost, would you explain why the Lord warned the church in these passages: Matt 24:13, Rev 2:26, 3:5 to persevere and overcome to receive the promised eternal life? Bear in mind that the Lord was speaking to "saved" believers, not the unsaved.

 

[d taylor]

Can you support your view with one or two scriptures to show that salvation cannot be lost once received?

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So obviously if you believe eternal life can be lost, you must believe you won your eternal life.

So how did you win your eternal life.

but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.”
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“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
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And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.
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All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.
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Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

 

[Dan Perez]

you take snipets of verses and off context to make your points, Jesus said clearly that many are called but few make it, was this a lie? Jesus being One with GOD has all authority in heaven and earth remember that.

as for works, they serve to demonstrate your faith as James brother of Jesus said;
Jas 2:14 What good is it, my brothers, if someone claims to have faith, but has no deeds? Can such faith save him?

Jas 2:15 Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food.

Jas 2:16 If one of you tells him, “Go in peace; stay warm and well fed,” but does not provide for his physical needs, what good is that?

Jas 2:17 So too, faith by itself, if it does not result in action, is dead.

Jas 2:18 But someone will say, “You have faith and I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds.

Jas 2:19 You believe that God is one. Good for you! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

Jas 2:20 O foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is worthless?

Jas 2:21 Was not our father Abraham justified by what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?

Jas 2:22 You see that his faith was working with his actions, and his faith was perfected by what he did.

Jas 2:23 And the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called a friend of God.

Jas 2:24 As you can see, a man is justified by his deeds and not by faith alone.

Jas 2:25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute justified by her actions when she welcomed the spies and sent them off on another route?

Jas 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

you take snipets of verses and off context to make your points, Jesus said clearly that many are called but few make it, was this a lie? Jesus being One with GOD has all authority in heaven and earth remember that.

as for works, they serve to demonstrate your faith as James brother of Jesus said;
Jas 2:14 What good is it, my brothers, if someone claims to have faith, but has no deeds? Can such faith save him?

Jas 2:15 Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food.

Jas 2:16 If one of you tells him, “Go in peace; stay warm and well fed,” but does not provide for his physical needs, what good is that?

Jas 2:17 So too, faith by itself, if it does not result in action, is dead.

Jas 2:18 But someone will say, “You have faith and I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds.

Jas 2:19 You believe that God is one. Good for you! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

Jas 2:20 O foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is worthless?

Jas 2:21 Was not our father Abraham justified by what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?

Jas 2:22 You see that his faith was working with his actions, and his faith was perfected by what he did.

Jas 2:23 And the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called a friend of God.

Jas 2:24 As you can see, a man is justified by his deeds and not by faith alone.

Jas 2:25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute justified by her actions when she welcomed the spies and sent them off on another route?

Jas 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

And CONTEXT and PREMISE and CONCLUDTION is very IMPORTANT thing , as in JAMES 1:1 James a servant of the LORD

JESUS CHRIST , to the 12 TRIBES , SCATTERED ABROAD , GREETING !!

AND THIS is just ONE book written to ISRAEL !!

dan p