Is it possible to lose salvation?

[JesusFollowerForever]

I only found 3 verses !!

# 1 Phil 4:3

# 2 Rev 3:5

# 3 Rev 22:19

# 4 And Grace believers saved by Grace , lose REWARDS , 1 Cor 3:5-15 !!

dan p

Sorry for the late reply, I explored the topic of the book of life further;

The Book of Life is a record of those who belong to God and will inherit eternal life. Throughout the Bible, it is presented as a divine register that determines the fate of individuals in relation to God’s kingdom. The question of how one’s name is written in or removed from this book is crucial in understanding salvation, judgment, and God’s justice.

The Book of Life in the Old Testament​

The first mention of a divine book appears in the time of Moses. After Israel sinned by worshipping the golden calf, Moses pleaded with God for their forgiveness:

“Yet now, if You will forgive their sin, but if not, I pray, blot me out of Your book which You have written.” And the Lord said to Moses, ‘Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.’” (Exodus 32:32-33)

This passage reveals that God has a book in which names are recorded, and those who sin against Him may be removed. Moses, as an intercessor, understood that inclusion in this book was vital, and he was willing to sacrifice his place for the sake of the people. However, God made it clear that individuals are accountable for their own sins.

The idea of the Book of Life continues in the Psalms, where David, speaking against the wicked, prays:
“Add iniquity to their iniquity, and let them not come into Your righteousness. Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.” (Psalm 69:27-28)

This confirms that there is a separation between the righteous and the wicked based on this book. The wicked may be removed, while the righteous remain.

Later, the prophet Daniel speaks of the Book of Life in connection with the end times and the resurrection:
“At that time Michael shall stand up, the great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation, even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone who is found written in the book.” (Daniel 12:1)

This prophecy shows that those whose names are in the book will be delivered, meaning they are the ones who will be saved in the final judgment. This aligns with the idea that the Book of Life contains the names of those who belong to God and will be spared from destruction.

The Book of Life in the New Testament​

The concept of the Book of Life is deepened in the teachings of Jesus and the book of Revelation. Jesus tells His disciples that their joy should not come from power over demons, but from their names being recorded in heaven:
“Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rather rejoice because your names are written in heaven.” (Luke 10:20)

This shows that being written in God’s book is the greatest assurance of belonging to Him.

In the book of Revelation, Jesus speaks to the church in Sardis and gives a clear promise regarding those who remain faithful:
“He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.” (Revelation 3:5)

This verse reveals an important truth: names can be blotted out of the Book of Life, meaning it is possible to fall away from God’s grace through disobedience. However, those who overcome and remain faithful will have their names permanently secured.

At the final judgment, the Book of Life is opened, and only those whose names are found in it will be saved:

“And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.” (Revelation 20:12)

“And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.” (Revelation 20:15)

This passage confirms that being written in the Book of Life determines one’s eternal destiny. Those whose names are not found will face eternal separation from God.

How Is One’s Name Written in the Book of Life?​

The Bible does not say explicitly whether all names start in the Book of Life from birth. However, the fact that names can be removed suggests that one must remain faithful to God to stay in the book. Jesus’ words in Revelation emphasize overcoming and obedience as key factors.

To have one’s name in the Book of Life, one must:

1. Believe in Jesus and follow His words – “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16)
2. Repent from sin and live righteously – “I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.” (Luke 13:3)
3. Remain faithful to the end – “But he who endures to the end shall be saved.” (Matthew 24:13)

To conclude, The Book of Life is God’s record of those who belong to Him and will receive eternal life. While some names may be blotted out due to sin and unfaithfulness, those who follow God, repent, and remain faithful will have their names secure in His book. The final judgment will confirm the destiny of all people based on this divine record. Jesus’ warning is clear: to rejoice not in worldly achievements, but in the assurance that our names are written in heaven.

Peace.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Sorry for the late reply, I explored the topic of the book of life further;

The Book of Life is a record of those who belong to God and will inherit eternal life. Throughout the Bible, it is presented as a divine register that determines the fate of individuals in relation to God’s kingdom. The question of how one’s name is written in or removed from this book is crucial in understanding salvation, judgment, and God’s justice.

The Book of Life in the Old Testament​

The first mention of a divine book appears in the time of Moses. After Israel sinned by worshipping the golden calf, Moses pleaded with God for their forgiveness:

“Yet now, if You will forgive their sin, but if not, I pray, blot me out of Your book which You have written.” And the Lord said to Moses, ‘Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.’” (Exodus 32:32-33)

This passage reveals that God has a book in which names are recorded, and those who sin against Him may be removed. Moses, as an intercessor, understood that inclusion in this book was vital, and he was willing to sacrifice his place for the sake of the people. However, God made it clear that individuals are accountable for their own sins.

The idea of the Book of Life continues in the Psalms, where David, speaking against the wicked, prays:
“Add iniquity to their iniquity, and let them not come into Your righteousness. Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.” (Psalm 69:27-28)

This confirms that there is a separation between the righteous and the wicked based on this book. The wicked may be removed, while the righteous remain.

Later, the prophet Daniel speaks of the Book of Life in connection with the end times and the resurrection:
“At that time Michael shall stand up, the great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation, even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone who is found written in the book.” (Daniel 12:1)

This prophecy shows that those whose names are in the book will be delivered, meaning they are the ones who will be saved in the final judgment. This aligns with the idea that the Book of Life contains the names of those who belong to God and will be spared from destruction.

The Book of Life in the New Testament​

The concept of the Book of Life is deepened in the teachings of Jesus and the book of Revelation. Jesus tells His disciples that their joy should not come from power over demons, but from their names being recorded in heaven:
“Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rather rejoice because your names are written in heaven.” (Luke 10:20)

This shows that being written in God’s book is the greatest assurance of belonging to Him.

In the book of Revelation, Jesus speaks to the church in Sardis and gives a clear promise regarding those who remain faithful:
“He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.” (Revelation 3:5)

This verse reveals an important truth: names can be blotted out of the Book of Life, meaning it is possible to fall away from God’s grace through disobedience. However, those who overcome and remain faithful will have their names permanently secured.

At the final judgment, the Book of Life is opened, and only those whose names are found in it will be saved:

“And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.” (Revelation 20:12)

“And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.” (Revelation 20:15)

This passage confirms that being written in the Book of Life determines one’s eternal destiny. Those whose names are not found will face eternal separation from God.

How Is One’s Name Written in the Book of Life?​

The Bible does not say explicitly whether all names start in the Book of Life from birth. However, the fact that names can be removed suggests that one must remain faithful to God to stay in the book. Jesus’ words in Revelation emphasize overcoming and obedience as key factors.

To have one’s name in the Book of Life, one must:

1. Believe in Jesus and follow His words – “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16)
2. Repent from sin and live righteously – “I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.” (Luke 13:3)
3. Remain faithful to the end – “But he who endures to the end shall be saved.” (Matthew 24:13)

To conclude, The Book of Life is God’s record of those who belong to Him and will receive eternal life. While some names may be blotted out due to sin and unfaithfulness, those who follow God, repent, and remain faithful will have their names secure in His book. The final judgment will confirm the destiny of all people based on this divine record. Jesus’ warning is clear: to rejoice not in worldly achievements, but in the assurance that our names are written in heaven.

Peace.

The names written in the book of life were written before creation according to God’s foreknowledge.

“All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13‬:‭8‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

“just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭1‬:‭4‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

“Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬-‭2‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Because of this I don’t believe that names will actually be blotted out, I think the term is simply meant to imply that a person can be on the path to being written in and if they stray from that path that can change to not being written in. To me it doesn’t make much sense if the names that were written in the book of life before creation according to God’s foreknowledge would be removed since there would’ve been no reason to write them in if God foreknew that they wouldn’t abide in Christ and endure to the end. That’s my understanding of it but other than that I agree with everything you said here.

 

[Wansvic]

Sorry for the late reply, I explored the topic of the book of life further;

The Book of Life is a record of those who belong to God and will inherit eternal life. Throughout the Bible, it is presented as a divine register that determines the fate of individuals in relation to God’s kingdom. The question of how one’s name is written in or removed from this book is crucial in understanding salvation, judgment, and God’s justice.

The Book of Life in the Old Testament​

The first mention of a divine book appears in the time of Moses. After Israel sinned by worshipping the golden calf, Moses pleaded with God for their forgiveness:

“Yet now, if You will forgive their sin, but if not, I pray, blot me out of Your book which You have written.” And the Lord said to Moses, ‘Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.’” (Exodus 32:32-33)

This passage reveals that God has a book in which names are recorded, and those who sin against Him may be removed. Moses, as an intercessor, understood that inclusion in this book was vital, and he was willing to sacrifice his place for the sake of the people. However, God made it clear that individuals are accountable for their own sins.

The idea of the Book of Life continues in the Psalms, where David, speaking against the wicked, prays:
“Add iniquity to their iniquity, and let them not come into Your righteousness. Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.” (Psalm 69:27-28)

This confirms that there is a separation between the righteous and the wicked based on this book. The wicked may be removed, while the righteous remain.

Later, the prophet Daniel speaks of the Book of Life in connection with the end times and the resurrection:
“At that time Michael shall stand up, the great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation, even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone who is found written in the book.” (Daniel 12:1)

This prophecy shows that those whose names are in the book will be delivered, meaning they are the ones who will be saved in the final judgment. This aligns with the idea that the Book of Life contains the names of those who belong to God and will be spared from destruction.

The Book of Life in the New Testament​

The concept of the Book of Life is deepened in the teachings of Jesus and the book of Revelation. Jesus tells His disciples that their joy should not come from power over demons, but from their names being recorded in heaven:
“Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rather rejoice because your names are written in heaven.” (Luke 10:20)

This shows that being written in God’s book is the greatest assurance of belonging to Him.

In the book of Revelation, Jesus speaks to the church in Sardis and gives a clear promise regarding those who remain faithful:
“He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.” (Revelation 3:5)

This verse reveals an important truth: names can be blotted out of the Book of Life, meaning it is possible to fall away from God’s grace through disobedience. However, those who overcome and remain faithful will have their names permanently secured.

At the final judgment, the Book of Life is opened, and only those whose names are found in it will be saved:

“And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.” (Revelation 20:12)

“And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.” (Revelation 20:15)

This passage confirms that being written in the Book of Life determines one’s eternal destiny. Those whose names are not found will face eternal separation from God.

How Is One’s Name Written in the Book of Life?​

The Bible does not say explicitly whether all names start in the Book of Life from birth. However, the fact that names can be removed suggests that one must remain faithful to God to stay in the book. Jesus’ words in Revelation emphasize overcoming and obedience as key factors.

To have one’s name in the Book of Life, one must:

1. Believe in Jesus and follow His words – “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16)
2. Repent from sin and live righteously – “I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.” (Luke 13:3)
3. Remain faithful to the end – “But he who endures to the end shall be saved.” (Matthew 24:13)

To conclude, The Book of Life is God’s record of those who belong to Him and will receive eternal life. While some names may be blotted out due to sin and unfaithfulness, those who follow God, repent, and remain faithful will have their names secure in His book. The final judgment will confirm the destiny of all people based on this divine record. Jesus’ warning is clear: to rejoice not in worldly achievements, but in the assurance that our names are written in heaven.

Peace.

Note that births are recorded in the natural realm. Consider that the same may be true of those who have been born again in accordance with scripture.

As Jesus stated unless a man is reborn of water and Spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God. The individuals that comprised the NT church were birthed after believing and obeying the gospel message that included belief in Jesus, repentance, water baptism in the name of Jesus for remission of sin and receiving the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:36-42) It is at this point that each individual actually becomes part of the family; having taken on the family name.

Natural Birth Components
Conception
In darkness; without form and void. A joining of the egg and sperm takes place and light begins to permeate the darkness. One cell after another emerges culminating into an exceptional creation of God.

Birth
We turn just prior to exiting the waters of our mother's womb.
Upon entering the world shafts of light assault our eyes as we struggle to bring our eyes into focus.

Breath of Life
After leaving the womb, we gasp and draw in surrounding air, and begin to verbally cry out. This air immediately infiltrates our body; bringing life and nourishment to every fiber of our being. Equipped, a new journey awaits. We are now part of an earthy family.



Spirit Rebirth Parallel
Repentance
We willing turn from our old life and accept Jesus' invitation to join Him. We step out of gross darkness and begin to see glimmers of light. Our journey has begun, destination… the dazzling likeness of Christ.

Water Baptism
We break the water's surface entering the world once again, this time as a new creation in Christ Jesus. The radiant light grips our eyes. As our eyes adjust to our new environment, the lens of our mind begins to focus in on nuggets of truth nestled in God’s Word.

Note Jesus told Nicodemus, “Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot SEE the kingdom of God.” John 3:3


Indwelling Presence of the Holy Ghost (God's gift)
Being born of water a second time is only one essential part of our spiritual birth. Our body also awaits the infiltration of God’s Spirit which will bring nourishment and eternal life. Jesus spoke these words to Nicodemus as well: “Unless a man is born of water and of Spirit he can not ENTER into the kingdom.“ John 3:5

Receiving the breath of life is in essence the gift of the Holy Spirit and is evidenced by verbal speaking in tongues. We enter into the family of God. Brothers and sisters rejoice at our arrival.



After being indwelt by the Holy Spirit we become endued with power from on high. We can venture forth with confidence. What is our God given commission? We are to pursue others who are dead in darkness, and lead them to the light.
“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and,

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

The fact that Jesus died for the sins off all men is repeated in several verses in several different ways. He is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world. You don’t use the word “whole” in front of the word “world” when you’re only referring to some of the world but not all. Jesus is the Savior of the world, He is the Savior of all men, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone, God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world but so that the world might be saved through Him, who gave Himself as a random for all.

Just because He paid the price for all doesn’t mean He is obligated to allow everyone into heaven.

Are you saing that Christ reconciled for the sins of people whol will be eternally in hell? Are you saying that Jesus died for everybody, then for those unbelievers who will be punished on the day of judgment, that sin is being punished twice. It was punished once in Jesus, and now it’s being punished again in the sinner’s life, which is double jeopardy.

Jesus satisfied God's wrath on the cross. But according to you, a person can suffer God's wrath for something Jesus already satisfied God's wrath for, that is absolutely false.

Christ said it is finished. In Greek 'tetelestei'. Tetelestei was a stamp 2000 years ago, that was stamped on an invoice to indicate a debt was paid in full. And because Christ paid the debt for every true believer, that believer cannot end in hell as the sins have been paid for. Past, present and future. Christ also satisfied God's wrath, no wrath remauns for those in Christ.

Did God plan, from all eternity, to save each and every human person in this world? If He did sovereignly and eternally plan to save each and every person in this world, then, unquestionably, every person in this world would be saved. But the New Testament screams to the contrary that not everybody is saved.

Did God fail in His ultimate design, in His plan for salvation? Did He merely have an idea to provide a possibility of redemption and then step back, wring His hands, pace up and down, and hope somebody might avail themselves of it? Did He leave it to our wills to make the final decision so that we have a doctrine of the atonement where it’s theoretically possible that no one would be saved?


God did more than just make it possible for salvation to occur—He made it certain. He had an eternal plan to save if for no other reason than for the glory of His Son.

The problem is that we wrestle every day with a concept of human strength and freedom that is utterly unbiblical. It is being inculcated, starting with kindergarten, in the Western world through humanism, which denies a fatal fall into sin. The idea of freedom means that I have the equal power to incline myself to the left or the right—I have no predilection. I’m not dead in sin, nor am I in bondage to it. But if it’s true that I am dead in sin and in bondage to it, the only way I’ll ever be rescued is if God takes the initiative and brings me safely home.

Is Jesus' death and ressuraction not enough for you? Why are you adding deeds to the cross? You think you can add something? One is justified by faith, not by deeds.

You have to worry for the rest of your life if you are living a life good enough. But this is unbiblical, and it is what all the false religions teach. But the Lord assures us of our salvation.

John 5: 24, Jesus said, “He that hears my Word and believes on Him that sent me has everlasting life and, therefore, shall not come into judgment but is passed from death unto life.” That may be the single-most monumental statement ever made in the Bible relative to the security of salvation.

John 3 16, “God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” And then verse 18, “He that believeth on Him” - we see the everlasting life, that’s everlasting life in verse 16, the negative, he that believeth is not condemned. And then it says, conversely, “The one that does not believe is condemned already.”

John 6: 37, “All that the Father giveth me shall come to me.” In other words, all those that God designs sovereignly to redeem will come to Christ. Very simple statement. And from the human viewpoint, that should not restrain any man because “him that cometh to me, I will in no wise cast out.”

In other words, only those whom the Father draws will come, and only those will come whom the Father draws. So there is a perfect meeting. “For I came down from heaven not to do mine own will but the will of Him that sent me, and this is the Father’s will who sent me, that out of all that He hath given me, I should lose” - how many? - “none.”

“Of all that the Father gives me, I shall lose nothing, but raise him up again at the last day.” In other words, all those chosen unto salvation, all those who affirm that salvation by coming to Jesus Christ, will be raised up in the last day. There’s no loss, you see. Nobody escapes, nobody’s lost, nobody falls through the cracks. And verse 40 sums it up, “And this is the will of Him that sent me, that every one who sees the Son” - and that is with the eye of faith, the eye of true spiritual perception - “and believes on Him may have everlasting life.”

In 17:11, He says, “And now I am no more in the world” - He’s anticipating His exodus, having accomplished His work - “but these are in the world” - that is, the disciples, those who are His children - “and I come to thee, Holy Father. Keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one as we are.” Now, there is the Son praying to the Father that the Father will keep His own. Verse 15, “I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil one.”

Now, since we know that our Savior always prays in perfect harmony with the will of the Father, we can be assured that this is indeed His will. And so you have the will of the Father to keep His own and the affirmation of that will in the intercessory high priestly work of Jesus Christ.

John 10:25 “I do my Father’s works,” and then He begins to talk about His sheep who understand that while others do not. And verse 27, “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them and they follow me.” In other words, there’s perfect commitment of true sheep to the true shepherd. “And I give unto them eternal life.”

Neither shall any man pluck them” - or anyone pluck them - “out of my hand. My Father who gave them to me is greater than all, and no one is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.”

If God be for us, who can be against us?” In other words, you say, “Well, maybe this is God’s plan, but the devil will get in there and mess it up.” Is the devil more powerful than God? “If God is for us, who can stand against us?” Who can stand against God? “He that spared not His own Son but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things?” In other words, the point being that if God gave His Son to redeem us at that immense price and could effect our redemption with that kind of sacrifice, will He stop short of any other sacrifice to keep us? No.

Romans 8 35 what shall separate us from the love of Christ? And what’s the answer to that? Nothing - nothing - tribulation, distress, persecution, famine, nakedness, peril, sword, nothing. Verse 38, “Death, life, angels, principalities, powers,” - those are ranks of demons and angels - “things present, things to come, height, depth, nor any other creation shall be able to separate us form the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Now, this is the affirmation that our salvation is secure.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Are you saing that Christ reconciled for the sins of people whol will be eternally in hell? Are you saying that Jesus died for everybody, then for those unbelievers who will be punished on the day of judgment, that sin is being punished twice. It was punished once in Jesus, and now it’s being punished again in the sinner’s life, which is double jeopardy.

He paid the price which is why He will be our judge.

Jesus satisfied God's wrath on the cross. But according to you, a person can suffer God's wrath for something Jesus already satisfied God's wrath for, that is absolutely false.

The wrath of God is upon whoever Jesus says it’s upon because He paid the price.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Did God plan, from all eternity, to save each and every human person in this world? If He did sovereignly and eternally plan to save each and every person in this world, then, unquestionably, every person in this world would be saved. But the New Testament screams to the contrary that not everybody is saved.

Look I quoted numerous passages to support my position. If you want to redefine the words used in those passages to mean whatever suits you then that’s you’re choice, but you’re not going to convince me that what the scriptures specifically state is not true.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Did God fail in His ultimate design, in His plan for salvation? Did He merely have an idea to provide a possibility of redemption and then step back, wring His hands, pace up and down, and hope somebody might avail themselves of it? Did He leave it to our wills to make the final decision so that we have a doctrine of the atonement where it’s theoretically possible that no one would be saved?

Read Luke 13:6-9 and you tell me.

“And He began telling this parable: “A man had a fig tree which had been planted in his vineyard; and he came looking for fruit on it and did not find any. And he said to the vineyard-keeper, ‘Behold, for three years I have come looking for fruit on this fig tree without finding any. Cut it down! Why does it even use up the ground?’ And he answered and said to him, ‘Let it alone, sir, for this year too, until I dig around it and put in fertilizer; and if it bears fruit next year, fine; but if not, cut it down.’ ””
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13‬:‭6‬-‭9‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Why is the outcome of the trees that Jesus is trying to save still uncertain?

 

[BNR32FAN]

The problem is that we wrestle every day with a concept of human strength and freedom that is utterly unbiblical. It is being inculcated, starting with kindergarten, in the Western world through humanism, which denies a fatal fall into sin. The idea of freedom means that I have the equal power to incline myself to the left or the right—I have no predilection. I’m not dead in sin, nor am I in bondage to it. But if it’s true that I am dead in sin and in bondage to it, the only way I’ll ever be rescued is if God takes the initiative and brings me safely home.

I already proved you wrong by quoting Iranaeus who wrote 4 chapters on the subject in 170AD when he refuted the Gnostics about total depravity.

Is Jesus' death and ressuraction not enough for you? Why are you adding deeds to the cross? You think you can add something? One is justified by faith, not by deeds.

I’m not adding anything you’re just making a false accusation here.

You have to worry for the rest of your life if you are living a life good enough. But this is unbiblical, and it is what all the false religions teach. But the Lord assures us of our salvation.

Why would I have to worry about anything if I know that all I have to do is abide in Christ and endure to the end. I don’t need to worry about it because I’m the one who decides whether or not I abide in Christ. Don’t believe me? Read John 15:1-7

 

[BNR32FAN]

John 5: 24, Jesus said, “He that hears my Word and believes on Him that sent me has everlasting life and, therefore, shall not come into judgment but is passed from death unto life.” That may be the single-most monumental statement ever made in the Bible relative to the security of salvation.

I explained this verse in my video on 2 Timothy 2:12 where Bob Wilkin used this same verse in his opening statements. . Having everlasting life and not passing into judgment is contingent upon believing. It says he who hears and believes not he who heard and believed past tense.

 

[BNR32FAN]

John 6: 37, “All that the Father giveth me shall come to me.” In other words, all those that God designs sovereignly to redeem will come to Christ. Very simple statement. And from the human viewpoint, that should not restrain any man because “him that cometh to me, I will in no wise cast out.”

I made an entire video explaining why John 6:37 can’t be interpreted to support eternal security.

 

[BNR32FAN]

John 3 16, “God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” And then verse 18, “He that believeth on Him” - we see the everlasting life, that’s everlasting life in verse 16, the negative, he that believeth is not condemned. And then it says, conversely, “The one that does not believe is condemned already.”

Believeth not believed.

 

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In other words, only those whom the Father draws will come, and only those will come whom the Father draws. So there is a perfect meeting. “For I came down from heaven not to do mine own will but the will of Him that sent me, and this is the Father’s will who sent me, that out of all that He hath given me, I should lose” - how many? - “none.”

Not according to John 12:32. John 6:44 has been obsolete since Christ’s crucifixion.

“this Man, delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, YOU NAILED TO A CROSS by the hands of godless men and put Him to death. But God raised Him up again, putting an end to the agony of death, since it was impossible for Him to be held in its power. For David says of Him, ‘I saw the Lord always in my presence; For He is at my right hand, so that I will not be shaken. Therefore my heart was glad and my tongue exulted; Moreover my flesh also will live in hope; Because You will not abandon my soul to Hades, Nor allow Your Holy One to undergo decay. You have made known to me the ways of life; You will make me full of gladness with Your presence.’ “Brethren, I may confidently say to you regarding the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. And so, because he was a prophet and knew that God had sworn to him with an oath to seat one of his descendants on his throne, he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that He was neither abandoned to Hades, nor did His flesh suffer decay. This Jesus God raised up again, to which we are all witnesses. Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear. For it was not David who ascended into heaven, but he himself says: ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.” ’ Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ—this Jesus whom you crucified.” Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brethren, what shall we do?” Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2‬:‭23‬-‭38‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

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Notice in Peter’s preaching of the gospel in Acts 2 the people who crucified Christ who were not permitted to come to Him during His ministry were pierced to the heart and about 3000 of them were saved after His crucifixion.

“So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand souls.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2‬:‭41‬ ‭NASB1995

 

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Romans 8 35 what shall separate us from the love of Christ? And what’s the answer to that? Nothing - nothing - tribulation, distress, persecution, famine, nakedness, peril, sword, nothing. Verse 38, “Death, life, angels, principalities, powers,” - those are ranks of demons and angels - “things present, things to come, height, depth, nor any other creation shall be able to separate us form the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Now, this is the affirmation that our salvation is secure.

For God so loved the world. Does this mean that the entire world will be saved?

 

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Of all that the Father gives me, I shall lose nothing, but raise him up again at the last day.” In other words, all those chosen unto salvation, all those who affirm that salvation by coming to Jesus Christ, will be raised up in the last day. There’s no loss, you see. Nobody escapes, nobody’s lost, nobody falls through the cracks. And verse 40 sums it up, “And this is the will of Him that sent me, that every one who sees the Son” - and that is with the eye of faith, the eye of true spiritual perception - “and believes on Him may have everlasting life.”

I explained this in the video about John 6:37-40 also.

 

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In 17:11, He says, “And now I am no more in the world” - He’s anticipating His exodus, having accomplished His work - “but these are in the world” - that is, the disciples, those who are His children - “and I come to thee, Holy Father. Keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one as we are.” Now, there is the Son praying to the Father that the Father will keep His own. Verse 15, “I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil one.”

Yep He prayed for His 11 faithful apostles that The Father would protect them from the evil one in His absence because they had not yet received the Holy Spirit. It doesn’t say that they can’t fail to abide in Him otherwise the message He gave to them on that very same night in the upper room in John 15:1-7 is a useless message.

 

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The wrath of God is upon whoever Jesus says it’s upon because He paid the price.

This is wrong on so many levels I don't even know where to start.

Those who Christ was judged for, paid for, reconciled to God, will never go to hell. Because they are adopted to God's family, children of God, sealed by the Spirit.

Galatians 4 I mean that the heir, as long as he is a child, is no different from a slave,though he is the owner of everything, 2 but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by his father. 3 In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principles of the world. 4 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6 And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” 7 So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God.

God only has one Son, and it is the Lord Jesus Christ. We are placed into Christ, and therefore we become heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus Christ.

God’s astounding love is the cause, the motive, the drive behind our adoption. He loves the Son, He places us in the Son, and He loves us the way He loves the Son.

No matter how you and others twist these verses, Christians have been adopted into the family of God, and are sons of God. I know who I am, and I know to whom I belong.

When we were justified, when we were converted, when we were saved, we were sealed with the Spirit of promise. The Spirit of promise took up residence in our heart. The Spirit was given to us as a pledge of our inheritance, which is coming later at the redemption of our bodies when we enter into the presence of the Lord.

Christians have a future inheritance. Christians have an inheritance that the Lord has prepared for us, because we are true believers. That inheritance is laid up for us in heaven.

You can believe whatever you want, but I am going to trust God's worth that nothing will separate me from His love. I put all my faith in Christ and not in me and how I live as a Christian. I am going to fully trust God's promises, and fully trust His assurances. I don't need you and your wrong interpretations of Jesus' promise that He will lose none.

I can only pray for people who claim salvation that can be lost, that God open their heart and eyes to see. And to pray for God for stop this evil deception once and for all.

 

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This is wrong on so many levels I don't even know where to start.

Those who Christ was judged for, paid for, reconciled to God, will never go to hell. Because they are adopted to God's family, children of God, sealed by the Spirit.

Like I said if you want to ignore all the verses I quoted that’s fine, just don’t expect me to do it. When the scriptures specifically say “whole world” I believe them.

 

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No matter how you and others twist these verses, Christians have been adopted into the family of God, and are sons of God. I know who I am, and I know to whom I belong.

So I’m twisting the definition of the term “whole world” to mean something that it doesn’t mean?

 

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When we were justified, when we were converted, when we were saved, we were sealed with the Spirit of promise. The Spirit of promise took up residence in our heart. The Spirit was given to us as a pledge of our inheritance, which is coming later at the redemption of our bodies when we enter into the presence of the Lord.

Christians have a future inheritance. Christians have an inheritance that the Lord has prepared for us, because we are true believers. That inheritance is laid up for us in heaven.

Read Ephesians 4:30 to Ephesians 5::6

“Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4‬:‭30‬-‭32‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

“Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children; and walk in love, just as Christ also loved you and gave Himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God as a fragrant aroma. But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints; and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5‬:‭1‬-‭6‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Now according to what Paul wrote here are those who are sealed with the Holy Spirit capable of losing their inheritance in the kingdom of God?

 

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This is wrong on so many levels I don't even know where to start.

Those who Christ was judged for, paid for, reconciled to God, will never go to hell. Because they are adopted to God's family, children of God, sealed by the Spirit.

Galatians 4 I mean that the heir, as long as he is a child, is no different from a slave,though he is the owner of everything, 2 but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by his father. 3 In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principles of the world. 4 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6 And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” 7 So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God.

God only has one Son, and it is the Lord Jesus Christ. We are placed into Christ, and therefore we become heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus Christ.

God’s astounding love is the cause, the motive, the drive behind our adoption. He loves the Son, He places us in the Son, and He loves us the way He loves the Son.

No matter how you and others twist these verses, Christians have been adopted into the family of God, and are sons of God. I know who I am, and I know to whom I belong.

When we were justified, when we were converted, when we were saved, we were sealed with the Spirit of promise. The Spirit of promise took up residence in our heart. The Spirit was given to us as a pledge of our inheritance, which is coming later at the redemption of our bodies when we enter into the presence of the Lord.

Christians have a future inheritance. Christians have an inheritance that the Lord has prepared for us, because we are true believers. That inheritance is laid up for us in heaven.

You can believe whatever you want, but I am going to trust God's worth that nothing will separate me from His love. I put all my faith in Christ and not in me and how I live as a Christian. I am going to fully trust God's promises, and fully trust His assurances. I don't need you and your wrong interpretations of Jesus' promise that He will lose none.

I can only pray for people who claim salvation that can be lost, that God open their heart and eyes to see. And to pray for God for stop this evil deception once and for all.

You didn’t address a single passage of scripture that I quoted in response to everything you said in your last post. I literally addressed everything point you made with scripture and you literally ignored every passage I quoted.