Is it okay to date another Christian whose been divorced?

[PollyJetix]

I'm splitting my response. As for Matthew 5 and the law, I would say that the Ten Commandments had to do with outward actions, whereas, the same commandments under Jesus' revisions make them commandments starting in the heart - a much higher standard as we are privileged to have the Holy Spirit which has heightened our conscious' sensitivity, and also given us the power of God to walk in the Spirit.

This is why we are not under the Ten Commandments, we are under Christ's commandments which are to believe on Him, and love your neighbor as yourself - all from the heart.

It is no new thing that Christ preached, that God requires obedience from the heart. It is not unique to the New Testament, that God hates hypocrisy.
"Them of old time" were the founders of the Pharisee sect. Rabbis who had died one or two hundred years before Christ.

"Them of old time" said, "Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment"
In other words, you can hate, and there is no judgment. But if you kill, there is judgment. Thus those rabbis gave permission to hate. As if "You just can't help it."

But Jesus pointed them to a part of the Law that the rabbis forgot:

Leviticus 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

See how the Old Testament cares about the inward attitude?
It's not just outward rules.

"Them of old time" said also, "Thou shalt not commit adultery" ... and truly, this is a direct quote from the Old Testament!
But it is obvious, by Jesus' rebuke, that "them of old time" had forgotten the 10 commandment:
"Thou shalt not covet." How is this only outward? This is an inward attitude of the heart, encoded in the 10 commandments! In fact, this is the final commandment... not that it may be the least, but perhaps, a very important summary of how God wanted a few previous commandments applied!
After all, how can you commit adultery, without coveting your neighbor's wife? How can you steal, without first coveting your neighbors stuff?

And this is how looking upon a woman to lust after her, is breaking the Law.
The Law stands and falls as a unit. Whoever keeps all of the law, and yet offends in only one point, is guilty of breaking the Law. They were all written on stone. If one commandment is broken, the whole thing breaks. Thus, to lust is to commit adultery on a heart level, which breaks the Law.

"Them of old time" also said, "Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement" and truly, that is just about what Moses said... but we can see from Jesus words, that the way the Pharisees were applying it, was NOT how God intended.
That law of giving a writing of divorce was given to protect hated women. It was not intended as a license to put away a wife, just to try to legalize an adulterous heart. That's how the Pharisees were using the divorce decree: to wash their hands, like Pilate! Trying to look righteous by fulfilling an outward obligation. But as I said earlier, God forbade coveting a neighbor's wife! And he commanded to love the neighbor as oneself! (A heart-issue in the OT!) Therefore, if one would do both of these, he would not be trying to find a legal way to divorce a faithful wife! Therefore, the Pharisees were divorcing in order to trade off wives. Jesus was rebuking the Pharisees here, not changing God's eternally-settled Word.

"Them of old time" also said in effect, "Be careful not to swear more than you can fulfill! Just make sure you use the name of Yahweh, though, when you do swear!" This gave permission to use God's name in the same way the pagans used the names of their gods--as bywords! And really, that's how the Pharisees were using the Name of the Lord!

I find it fascinating, to see how the Pentecostals are so careful not to swear... even so far as to make sure the court hears them refuse to use the words "I swear"... yet, they so easily use "My Lord!" as a byword, as an expression of astonishment. This is using the Lord's name in vain! Who is the Lord? Is He not Jesus? Jehovah? If we use "My Lord" in a way that we would feel convicted of, to use "Jesus Christ!" or "Lord Jehovah!" or "Great God Almighty!"... we are swearing like the heathen, using our God's name like they use their gods.

What Jesus said, was to "Swear not at all, neither by heaven, earth, or even your hair!" This is clearly a response to using God's name wrongfully.

However, we still make vows. Marriage vows, for instance. And we make them before God. This is not wrong. We still perform unto the Lord what we commit to do, in His Name. This is not the kind of swearing Jesus forbade. And this is the kind of swearing they did in the Old Testament.

The words "I swear" simply mean, "I commit myself to do"... and that is exactly what a vow is. Let's not "make a man an offender for a word." It is the heart attitude that defiles, and that was a principle down through the Old Testament.

Wow, this is getting long. Maybe I ought to split this up.

 

[1stcenturylady]

It is no new thing that Christ preached, that God requires obedience from the heart. It is not unique to the New Testament, that God hates hypocrisy.
"Them of old time" were the founders of the Pharisee sect. Rabbis who had died one or two hundred years before Christ.

"Them of old time" said, "Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment"
In other words, you can hate, and there is no judgment. But if you kill, there is judgment. Thus those rabbis gave permission to hate. As if "You just can't help it."

But Jesus pointed them to a part of the Law that the rabbis forgot:

See how the Old Testament cares about the inward attitude?
It's not just outward rules.

"Them of old time" said also, "Thou shalt not commit adultery" ... and truly, this is a direct quote from the Old Testament!
But it is obvious, by Jesus' rebuke, that "them of old time" had forgotten the 10 commandment:
"Thou shalt not covet." How is this only outward? This is an inward attitude of the heart, encoded in the 10 commandments! In fact, this is the final commandment... not that it may be the least, but perhaps, a very important summary of how God wanted a few previous commandments applied!
After all, how can you commit adultery, without coveting your neighbor's wife? How can you steal, without first coveting your neighbors stuff?

And this is how looking upon a woman to lust after her, is breaking the Law.
The Law stands and falls as a unit. Whoever keeps all of the law, and yet offends in only one point, is guilty of breaking the Law. They were all written on stone. If one commandment is broken, the whole thing breaks. Thus, to lust is to commit adultery on a heart level, which breaks the Law.

"Them of old time" also said, "Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement" and truly, that is just about what Moses said... but we can see from Jesus words, that the way the Pharisees were applying it, was NOT how God intended.
That law of giving a writing of divorce was given to protect hated women. It was not intended as a license to put away a wife, just to try to legalize an adulterous heart. That's how the Pharisees were using the divorce decree: to wash their hands, like Pilate! Trying to look righteous by fulfilling an outward obligation. But as I said earlier, God forbade coveting a neighbor's wife! And he commanded to love the neighbor as oneself! (A heart-issue in the OT!) Therefore, if one would do both of these, he would not be trying to find a legal way to divorce a faithful wife! Therefore, the Pharisees were divorcing in order to trade off wives. Jesus was rebuking the Pharisees here, not changing God's eternally-settled Word.

"Them of old time" also said in effect, "Be careful not to swear more than you can fulfill! Just make sure you use the name of Yahweh, though, when you do swear!" This gave permission to use God's name in the same way the pagans used the names of their gods--as bywords! And really, that's how the Pharisees were using the Name of the Lord!

I find it fascinating, to see how the Pentecostals are so careful not to swear... even so far as to make sure the court hears them refuse to use the words "I swear"... yet, they so easily use "My Lord!" as a byword, as an expression of astonishment. This is using the Lord's name in vain! Who is the Lord? Is He not Jesus? Jehovah? If we use "My Lord" in a way that we would feel convicted of, to use "Jesus Christ!" or "Lord Jehovah!" or "Great God Almighty!"... we are swearing like the heathen, using our God's name like they use their gods.

What Jesus said, was to "Swear not at all, neither by heaven, earth, or even your hair!" This is clearly a response to using God's name wrongfully.

However, we still make vows. Marriage vows, for instance. And we make them before God. This is not wrong. We still perform unto the Lord what we commit to do, in His Name. This is not the kind of swearing Jesus forbade. And this is the kind of swearing they did in the Old Testament.

The words "I swear" simply mean, "I commit myself to do"... and that is exactly what a vow is. Let's not "make a man an offender for a word." It is the heart attitude that defiles, and that was a principle down through the Old Testament.

Wow, this is getting long. Maybe I ought to split this up.

Just for your information, I don't use "My Lord," or even "Gee Wizz" or "Golly Gee." And I certainly don't use in texting O.M.G.! LOL Not all us Pentecostals are ignorant. hehehehe.

We are so on the same page, yet I don't know how you can argue with me about the Ten Commandments. You already agree that the 4th commandment is not to be kept because Jesus is our rest. How can you agree there, and not the rest, that the eternal law came first, The Ten Commandments came out of that eternal law, but the refined rendition are Christ's laws bringing us full circle back to the original.

 

[PollyJetix]

Matthew 5, continued...

"Them of old time" also said, "an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth!"
But we can see by Jesus' answer to that, that they were using that Law for the wrong purpose.
The law of an eye for an eye, was for the governing power, making sure no more than that was exacted as punishment. It was not intended as a license to exact every ounce of revenge you can get, on a personal level.
And Jesus answered this with several principles found in the Old Testament, which dealt with their real issue:
Proverbs 20:22 Say not thou, I will recompense evil; but wait on the LORD, and he shall save thee.
Proverbs 24:29 Say not, I will do so to him as he hath done to me: I will render to the man according to his work.
Deuteronomy 15:7-8 If there be among you a poor man of one of thy brethren within any of thy gates in thy land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not harden thine heart, nor shut thine hand from thy poor brother: But thou shalt open thine hand wide unto him, and shalt surely lend him sufficient for his need, in that which he wanteth.
Proverbs 19:17 He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the LORD; and that which he hath given will he pay him again.

See how what Jesus was preaching in the New Testament is found in the Old? The Law is not only about outward things. It is also about the heart!

"Them of old time" also said this: "Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy"... now, this is not found in the Old Testament at all. It was nothing but a permission to hate those who didn't live right next door.
How did Jesus answer it? "Love your enemies"... now is this in the Old Testament?
You bet.
Exodus 23:4-5 If thou meet thine enemy's ox or his ass going astray, thou shalt surely bring it back to him again. If thou see the ass of him that hateth thee lying under his burden, and wouldest forbear to help him, thou shalt surely help with him.
Proverbs 25:21-22 If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink: For thou shalt heap coals of fire upon his head, and the LORD shall reward thee.

There are many warnings in the Old Testament against just keeping the Law outwardly, and not inwardly.
Psa 78:36 Nevertheless they did flatter him with their mouth, and they lied unto him with their tongues.
Psa 78:37 For their heart was not right with him, neither were they stedfast in his covenant.
Isa 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
Eze 33:31 And they come unto thee as the people cometh, and they sit before thee as my people, and they hear thy words, but they will not do them: for with their mouth they shew much love, but their heart goeth after their covetousness.
Also, see Isaiah 58. They thought they were fasting before the Lord, but God rejected their fasting, on the basis of their heart attitudes.

Indeed, on these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Lev 19:18 ... thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

This is Old Testament.
The Old Testament is not only outward ordinances.
It is heart attitude.
God has NEVER accepted outward service, with no inward love toward Him.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Matthew 5, continued...

"Them of old time" also said, "an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth!"
But we can see by Jesus' answer to that, that they were using that Law for the wrong purpose.
The law of an eye for an eye, was for the governing power, making sure no more than that was exacted as punishment. It was not intended as a license to exact every ounce of revenge you can get, on a personal level.
And Jesus answered this with several principles found in the Old Testament, which dealt with their real issue:
Proverbs 20:22 Say not thou, I will recompense evil; but wait on the LORD, and he shall save thee.
Proverbs 24:29 Say not, I will do so to him as he hath done to me: I will render to the man according to his work.
Deuteronomy 15:7-8 If there be among you a poor man of one of thy brethren within any of thy gates in thy land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not harden thine heart, nor shut thine hand from thy poor brother: But thou shalt open thine hand wide unto him, and shalt surely lend him sufficient for his need, in that which he wanteth.
Proverbs 19:17 He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the LORD; and that which he hath given will he pay him again.

See how what Jesus was preaching in the New Testament is found in the Old? The Law is not only about outward things. It is also about the heart!

"Them of old time" also said this: "Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy"... now, this is not found in the Old Testament at all. It was nothing but a permission to hate those who didn't live right next door.
How did Jesus answer it? "Love your enemies"... now is this in the Old Testament?
You bet.
Exodus 23:4-5 If thou meet thine enemy's ox or his ass going astray, thou shalt surely bring it back to him again. If thou see the ass of him that hateth thee lying under his burden, and wouldest forbear to help him, thou shalt surely help with him.
Proverbs 25:21-22 If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink: For thou shalt heap coals of fire upon his head, and the LORD shall reward thee.

There are many warnings in the Old Testament against just keeping the Law outwardly, and not inwardly.
Psa 78:36 Nevertheless they did flatter him with their mouth, and they lied unto him with their tongues.
Psa 78:37 For their heart was not right with him, neither were they stedfast in his covenant.
Isa 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
Eze 33:31 And they come unto thee as the people cometh, and they sit before thee as my people, and they hear thy words, but they will not do them: for with their mouth they shew much love, but their heart goeth after their covetousness.
Also, see Isaiah 58. They thought they were fasting before the Lord, but God rejected their fasting, on the basis of their heart attitudes.

Indeed, on these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Lev 19:18 ... thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

This is Old Testament.
The Old Testament is not only outward ordinances.
It is heart attitude.
God has NEVER accepted outward service, with no inward love toward Him.

I already responded as much as I'm going to in the one before your last...

 

[PollyJetix]

Just for your information, I don't use "My Lord," or even "Gee Wizz" or "Golly Gee." And I certainly don't use in texting O.M.G.! LOL Not all us Pentecostals are ignorant. hehehehe.

We are so on the same page, yet I don't know how you can argue with me about the Ten Commandments. You already agree that the 4th commandment is not to be kept because Jesus is our rest. How can you agree there, and not the rest, that the eternal law came first, The Ten Commandments came out of that eternal law, but the refined rendition are Christ's laws bringing us full circle back to the original.

The 10 commandments? That's not an issue.
The Fourth Commandment is fulfilled in Christ being our Sabbath Rest.
Of course, now that we have entered into rest, we are free to keep ANY day holy to the Lord!
Or we can esteem EVERY day (Sunday through Saturday) all alike!

I do not see the 10 Commandments as something we have to be careful to keep, as Christians.
If we abide in love to God and to our neighbor, we won't have any of these issues.
But if we are NOT in Christ, then all ten are hanging over our heads, and Judgment Day is coming!

 

[PollyJetix]

The reason I can't agree with this...

How can you agree there, and not the rest, that the eternal law came first, The Ten Commandments came out of that eternal law, but the refined rendition are Christ's laws bringing us full circle back to the original.

Is because of what God said.
Psalm 119:89 For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.
Psa 119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.
Psa 119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God...

Even the Law of Moses.
Yes, the glory is drowned out, by the glory of Christ.
And yes, the condemnation is lifted, from those who are in Christ.
And yes, we abide every day in the Sabbath Rest, who is Christ.

But this does not do away with any of the Law.
All it does, is establish the Law. Fulfill it. Make it complete.
Romans 3:31

 

[I'm_Sorry]

But if we are NOT in Christ, then all ten are hanging over our heads, and Judgment Day is coming!

In Christ Jesus we are free from sin but not free to sin, and as we grow in Christ Jesus we begin to understand the depths of God's love for us and our love begins to grow towards Him in return.

And when we love him we begin to do as He says, trusting in Him and beginning in wisdom and understanding of His way Christ Jesus.

We love him because He loved us first.

We fear Him because He is righteousness, holiness and worthy because He reveals to us our unholiness.

His light shines in darkness and reveals our deeds, and we listen to the light, because He called us to the light and gave us ears to hear the light, we began to trust in the light and present our deeds before the light every moment. And because we trust in the light, the light came to make His home within us to sanctify us.

We live in the light, which is the way the truth and the life. Pure Love eternal.

The 10 commandments will never pass away, they are the light that shines in darkness fulfilled by the Him the Word, who spoke the commandments, made flesh.

His Fathers will, is to provide salvation to undeserving man, not by man's own merit, which are rags before our Lord, but by His Son's (Word) merit who demonstrated perfect obedience.

God's salvation is to clothe man in His Son's sacrificial obedience, sanctifying man by His risen Word, His Holy Spirit.

Christ's blood is sufficient to forgive all but one sin, which will not be forgiven.

As a new creation we no longer love evil, we no longer love our deeds, we love the one whose work is within us to save us and His children who he places in front of you.

The character of the penitent saved man is:

You're forgiven, go sin no more.

"
Romans 7:15-25 King James Version (KJV)

15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

"

 

[PollyJetix]

In Christ Jesus we are free from sin but not free to sin, and as we grow in Christ Jesus we begin to understand the depths of God's love for us and our love begins to grow towards Him in return.

And when we love him we begin to do as He says, trusting in Him and beginning in wisdom and understanding of His way Christ Jesus.

We love him because He loved us first.

We fear Him because He is righteousness, holiness and worthy because He reveals to us our unholiness.

His light shines in darkness and reveals our deeds, and we listen to the light, because He called us to the light and we trust in the light and present our deeds before the light every moment.

We live in the light, which is the way the truth and the life. Pure Love eternal.

The 10 commandments will never pass away, they are the light that shines in darkness fulfilled by the Him the word made flesh.

His Fathers will, is to provide salvation to undeserving man, not by man's own merit, which are rags before our Lord, but by His Son's (Word) merit who demonstrated perfect obedience.

God's salvation is to cloth man in His Son's sacrificial obedience, sanctifying man by His risen Word, His Holy Spirit.

Christ's blood is sufficient to forgive all but one sin, which will not be forgiven.

As a new creation we no longer love evil, we no longer love our deeds, we love the one whose work is within us to save us.

The character of the penitent saved man is:

You're forgiven, go sin no more.

"
Romans 7:15-25 King James Version (KJV)

15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

"

Romans 7 is the state of one who, as Romans 8:9-10 puts it,

Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

The key to getting out of that state, into victory, is Romans 8:11.

But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

I'm talking about becoming filled with the Holy Ghost.

 

[I'm_Sorry]

Romans 7 is the state of one who, as Romans 8:9-10 puts it,

The key to getting out of that state, into victory, is Romans 8:11.

I'm talking about becoming filled with the Holy Ghost.

And we are quickened either by resurrection of being caught up when He returns to reign with an iron rod.

The fruit of the Holy Spirit, which is brought forth by loving to do as He says determines your reward.

 

[PollyJetix]

And we are quickened either by resurrection of being caught up when He returns to reign with an iron rod.

The fruit of the Holy Spirit, which is brought forth by loving to do as He says determines your reward.

I really question that verse 11 is talking about being quickened by escaping this life.
I think it's staying within the subject matter of the context--that this flesh is a dead weight on the spirit. But we are quickened to walk in newness of life, when we are filled with the Spirit, and walk in the Spirit.
Nothing before or after this verse is talking about going to heaven.

 

[I'm_Sorry]

I really question that verse 11 is talking about being quickened by escaping this life.
I think it's staying within the subject matter of the context--that this flesh is a dead weight on the spirit. But we are quickened to walk in newness of life, when we are filled with the Spirit, and walk in the Spirit.
Nothing before or after this verse is talking about going to heaven.

The completion of the Holy Spirit's work is at our death, when we are stripped of the dead weight, our flesh.

Endure unto the end, love not your life, love your God who is life.

I fear the final humbling, that is to let go, in full trust at your last breath, your flesh's final battle with Spirit.

Jesus said, greater love have no man than to lay his life down for his friends.

Peter failed the first time.

When God says its time to lay your life down for Him, will you let go of your flesh with praise?

If God said present your son a sacrifice unto me would you have the faith of Abraham. God's love for us, His Son's sacrifice, showed exactly what Abraham was doing.

I can tell you I ran like Peter the first time when God asked "Do you love me enough to die for me" after He humbled every thought I could think of and every deed I reflected upon in prayer.

 

[1stcenturylady]

The reason I can't agree with this...


Is because of what God said.
Psalm 119:89 For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.
Psa 119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.
Psa 119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God...

Even the Law of Moses.
Yes, the glory is drowned out, by the glory of Christ.
And yes, the condemnation is lifted, from those who are in Christ.
And yes, we abide every day in the Sabbath Rest, who is Christ.

But this does not do away with any of the Law.
All it does, is establish the Law. Fulfill it. Make it complete.
Romans 3:31

I find it interesting that God in His inspired word told us the covenant was The Ten Commandments. Only. It was engraved on stone, and mostly said what we were NOT to do. And yes, I do believe that it was the Ten Commandments - the Covenant - that was passing away in 2 Cor. 3. The positiveness of the New Covenant, instead of thou shalt NOT, we now have a positives.

- believe on the name of His Son, Jesus Christ.

- love one another.

- walk in the Spirit.

 

[1stcenturylady]

The reason I can't agree with this...


Is because of what God said.
Psalm 119:89 For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.
Psa 119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.
Psa 119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God...

Even the Law of Moses.
Yes, the glory is drowned out, by the glory of Christ.
And yes, the condemnation is lifted, from those who are in Christ.
And yes, we abide every day in the Sabbath Rest, who is Christ.

But this does not do away with any of the Law.
All it does, is establish the Law. Fulfill it. Make it complete.
Romans 3:31

So why are there laws that don't apply to us anymore if they endure forever? How do you explain that.

 

[I'm_Sorry]

So why are there laws that don't apply to us anymore if they endure forever? How do you explain that.

From my understanding the Law is written within the hearts of man and spoken by God in the ten commandments.

Fulfilled by the living Word, Jesus Christ.

And God's will be done on earth through the sanctification work of the Holy Spirit which is outwardly brought into being by the loving fruit of the repentant child of God.

Sin is forgiven when you repent and accept Jesus' work on the cross.

God will war within you towards your flesh until it is complete, and during this process you by faith are brought to understanding and from understanding increased in true love.

If God has forgiven you through Christ's perfect work, why have you not forgiven you when you repenteth and realize the Glory of what God has/is done/doing for you.

Go sin no more.

 

[I'm_Sorry]

Go sin no more.

He condemn thee not, you repenteth to Him and accept Him as thy Lord and Savior.

 

[I'm_Sorry]

So why are there laws that don't apply to us anymore if they endure forever? How do you explain that.

Also, should I a gentile male, by first birth, be circumcised now I'm born in Christ Jesus?

Or is the law of circumcision fulfilled.

Because if it still applies hand me the knife, but I'm not moved by the Spirit at all to do this.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Also should I a gentile be circumcised?

Or is the law of circumcision fulfilled.

Because if it still applies hand me the knife, but I'm not moved by the Spirit at all to do this.

TMI

 

[I'm_Sorry]

TMI

LOL, sorry. Haha. Its just a good example I think. Hard hitting.

He saved the uncircumcised by becoming circumcision for us.

Colossians 2:11 King James Version (KJV)

11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:


1 Corinthians 7:18-24 King James Version (KJV)

18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.

19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

20 Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.

21 Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather.

22 For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant.

23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.

24 Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God.

 

[Kenny'sID]

So you are trying to say that salvation is gained by works? Because that is exactly what your question is implying.

The bottom line is that marriage and remarriage is a complex issue while some try and paint as a cut and dry issue (its NOT)

Most of you aren't even looking at what was going on at the time Yeshua said what he said.

This is really no different than the young wealth man asking Messiah what he had to do to gain eternal life. Young man said I have kept all the commandments...Yeshua said you still lack one thing.... sell all you have, give it to the poor and follow me.

Using YOUR literal translation unless you sell all your possessions, give it to the poor and live a live of poverty focused only on the church and evangelism you wont have eternal life

There is a reason you don't answer my questions...maybe you'll figure out that reason eventually.

 

[Kenny'sID]

TMI

When Christ talked about the eunuchs in some of the scripture surrounding the subject here, I wondered how they did that back then?

*shudder