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Is it okay from a biblical standpoint

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I know it is almost Christmas and most likely no one will read this before a couple of days has past, but as you enjoy your Christmas', if you remember us, please say a word of prayer. The thread started by talking about the washer and dryer situation, but our refrigerator situation is even worse. This year there have been two family members with extra friges, we desperately needed one and again offered to buy one with tax refund money we had at the time. We were told no once again, basically a repeat of the washer dryer issue.

Well, today, Christmas eve, the freezer part totally went down. We are facing $300 a month for food for 6 people and the freezer goes down, we are hoping we lost only a small amount of food but we won't know the full impact right away. Needless to say, we can't afford the loss.

As I face the morning of Christmas joy, I am reminded of the discussion my husband and I recently had about joy. He said to me that joy is a reflection of God's love in our lives. Now I will admit that sometimes, I struggle as so many do with the feeling that God must not love me to allow all this to happen to me, and yet I know that God has already shown me more Love than I am owed. So as I face the morn, I pray that God will allow me to remember all the Love, that joy might be refected on this, most joyous of occasions.
 
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Wow! Such a holiday week and it isn't over yet, the joys, blessings, the struggles, tears, break, lessons, and it isn't over yet. Things started off with the [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] going out Christmas eve. And despite it all, we had a joyous Christmas full of time with each other. We played games and talked and spent the day relaxing. We even had enough food for our son to have a meal while we were at graduation in Ill. Wed. the children left for grandparents so we could leave immediately after work on Thurs. Our trip was mostly uneventful and we left with high hopes. Soon we were to learn of a big snow storm and were thankful we made arrangements to stay an extra night. Before we left however, the bathtub drain was leaking and so we were facing that when we got home. We had a wonderful time with our son who was very thankful. The extra day gave the roads time to be cleared and us time to spend with our son since he had a last minute order that took most of the afternoon after graduation. In the meantime, his wallet disappeared with a couple of hundred dollars in it and none of us can figure out where or when it disappeared.

Our trip home was also mostly problem free though we were soon to learn that the money we got for Christmas was a lot short of what we needed for the trip. All in all, we made it home with $5 to our names which needs to cover gas, food, and repairs to the drain for one week. After getting parts for the drain, the car died and we don't have a vehicle that we can trust. Oiy!

So what then can we learn of God's love? Lots! God's love isn't about nothing going wrong or having enough or even being fed, God's love is about grace, it is about suffering at the hands of others and still knowing that they are God's children as well. I got a phone call a bit ago from my mother. A lady from her church who knows us, wanted to help by giving us a ham and some beans for soup. A welcome when we have little food and no money to buy any. But in the same breath my mother said, it's a good, nice ham, I'll take a few slices before I bring it over. This is someone with 1.5 to 2 million dollars, and she thinks nothing of taking food from us. But what is worse, is that she knows that we have nothing, knows that we spent more than we were given for the trip with high gas prices and high tolls, and when our kids were there, she asked them to help then took them to expensive restaurants and let them fill up. I can't compete with that, the kids come home and expect the same and we fight to get them to pick up after themselves. And yet, my parents are close to God's heart, and though they may grieve Him as much as they grieve us, Love forgives and gives grace and cares. As we grow in faith, and grace and love and mercy, we begin to see people and situations through God's eyes not our own. We learn to love despite how we feel. But how does that happen, how do we learn this love, how do we exercise faith? For this, we go to graduation ceremony.

You see, this weekend we watched our son graduate from Navy boot camp. And as we watched, I was reminded of the centurion whom Jesus Christ Himself marveled at his faith. A man who described his faith in military terms. And so I watched our son, who had become a totally different person, and asked how it happened that he went in a "disrespectful kid" and now was a respectful, disciplined young man. It happens with practice and discipline, and over time, lives are transformed. As I thought on this I was struck with how much this mirrors our walk with God, with practise and discipline we learn to grow and walk and, yes, even forgive. We begin to trust in the Father who loves us and shows us the same grace and forgiveness He wants us to show to others. We begin to understand that every order is for our good, not our demise, and slowly over time we graduate into warrior for God.

James 1

As we face the new year with hopes and dreams and plans of our own, may we also strive to discipline ourselves, and practice grace, that we might mirror the love of God, seeing others through His eyes and with His heart rather than our own.
 
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there is an old saying, "when it rains it pours". Some of you have been following this drama, and some have kindly taken this warrior before God, interceding where I no longer had words. Today, I want to give you a brief description of how and why we are the wounded, and how gracious and amazing our Lord and King.

I began fighting before I can remember, however, my earliest memories of fighting, go back to the age of 6 or 7, when I gave my life to the Lord, so in love with him that I could not image all that awaiting. It was soon after I first fell in love with God that I began to realize that God was calling me a be a warrior. You see, my first series of battles was against demons that visited regularly. For years, I fought these demons that wanted control back, control that I would not relinquish. Soon, I also would be asked to fight family and peers, and so life was about fighting. By college, the demon visits stopped but not the rest of my fights. In order to go to college, I needed to work full time, sometimes with overtime and that meant that most days, I slept 3-4 hours. Some days even less. But I made it through school and was told that I was the most talented teacher to come through the doors, this is something I also knew in my heart, but never wanted to admit. I was gifted by God to teach and nothing life could throw at me would stop me from that calling. Only problem is, that the world would throw me another curve ball, and deny me the right to teach. So now, the world became a war zone as well. When I married, we found that the fight with the world would continue, but we would also be faced with a church who fought us over the idea of loving one another. That fight was one of the hardest, and was carried out repeatedly over the years, in churches far and near. And the sad thing is, the only message that we took, was love. Even this very day, we are in a situation in a church that dissolved over lack of love and we are the only ones willing to insist on reconciliation. Ah well, this is an outline, and not about the specifics On the heels of this battle, came poverty. For nigh on 20 years we have lived well below poverty, a fight that I was surprised to study in the word, the urgency surrounding it. And so, by the time I came here to you all, I am wounded, tired, and had no strength left to fight.

A typical week in the Razz household goes something like Christmas week and the week after. And if you seek to understand, keep in mind how tired and weak from fighting we enter the week with.

We are starting out the week excited that Christmas will be ours, you see, for years, we worked 365 days a year. But this year, we get Christmas day off and so we enter the season with grace and love and joy. The day before, the [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] goes all the way out, we have been for most of a year fighting mice getting in and eating what food we can get, but this day, we are blessed that it is cold because we can use the porch as a [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]. Our house is cold and makes it hard to focus and so Christmas week brings additional relief from school Our school system is so bad that teachers in the system move so that their kids can go to other schools. And since I am a teacher at heart, I home school, but studying when it is cold is hard and a battle in and of itself to keep kids focused and so Christmas vacation brings mixes of blessings and stress. Christmas day is wondrous and though we miss our eldest, and though we still pain from family get together, we put aside all of this to enjoy our family and God. We leave immediately to Ill. to see our son, the cost of which we were assured was covered, when we left, we had no clean laundry, for most of 2 years we have been doing laundry in the tub by hand, and hanging it outside. But the city just wrote us a citation for hanging all our laundry and so anything that gets washed is hung over the tub, so we get about 1/2 load a laundry done each day, for 6 people yet we are blessed that our son is now gone, because only a few short weeks ago, we had 7 peoples laundry to try to keep done. But as we are leaving the house, the tub drain leaks and we can do no laundry. And so we leave and push aside all the emotions that threaten our joy. When we return home, we have $5 to our name because the money promised wasn't enough, and we need drain parts, gas, and food because now the state is denying us expenses for our business, and so, we have nothing for food. As we are coming home with our parts for the drain, the car dies and yet, we are blessed abundantly that the car ran fine all the way home. AS the week wears on, the temp. rises and we need ice to keep food from going bad. And so we turn the heat down to 50 degrees to save even more money. We can't find our sons bilfold, that had a couple of hundred dollars in it, and we don't know how to have gas to get to and from work. In addition, my parents and aunt want the kids to help though they have had them for days while we were gone, and accusations go flying again. But we find that when the kids get home, they don't want to do anything because while they were gone, they did nothing and still found thier bellies full of rich food at decent restaurants. We board up another window, where the cardboard has come out and we have no money for glass in the window, and so, we are blessed, and excited that God is the same God as always. We are tired and worn and have no words left to say, and yet somehow, we still feel loved and though, we long to go to church again, we know that God is right there, as always, loving us.

And so, comes this week. Our God is so amazing that words cannot express to you the grace and love He bestows upon us. Now we have been told several times, that our battle is because of sin and though this is something we have agonized in prayer over, there is no evidence to support it, but sin or not, God's grace is unbelievable and so we rest in His arms, knowing that whether this is His judgment of us, or just the battles He has called us to, He bestows upon us bounty beyond our imaginations, and reserves for us the wealth of kings. You see, this week, God has blessed us with a washer and dryer. The washer was damaged on moving it, a cost of about $40 to fix, and yet God provided a gift of more than enough to cover the repair. We were given a refrigerator as well, large and newer, and though we are trading some work for it, the work need not be done for some time. It is the first time in my life that I have a [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] large enough for our family and new enough to not worry for a season. We were gifted some money which though it does not cover what we spent to get to Ill. it is sufficient to fix the washer and buy some gas, maybe even glass for one of the windows. The car repairs are being covered and the grace of God in that is a story all in itself. We went to a church in which we might be able to stay for a season, and, a man from my parents church, is willing to try to get my husband on at a factory not far from here, at a job which though we don't know how much it pays, we have been told it is good pay. We have a hearing about our food, and there is little chance that it won't be reinstated, that meeting is tomorrow. And so, even though the saying usually applies to things going wrong, I testify to you, that often times, with God, it is the blessings that pour not just rain down upon us. If God is judging us, then His grace is mightier than anything we could have done wrong, a mighty message the church needs to take to the world.

As I sit here before you this day, I marvel as God's love and grace for such as us. We are not worthy of Love and yet we are loved. We are not worthy of grace and yet grace rains down. We bow down before His Majesty, knowing that we can never be enough. We can move on, knowing that there is nothing that can seperate us from His love or grace. I sit here before you this day feeling guilty for the gifts he has bestowed upon us, because I know in my heart we are the honored ones to have such finery. That we are like kings while others suffer and it is a suffering that we can not eliminate. We lift our voices in praise and grieve that when we struggle we cannot remove ourselves enough from the physical world to truly enjoy the uninhibited joys and treasures that God gives us even in the midst of trials. And so, I leave you this day, with this blessing.

May our Lord and Savior, grant to you, the joy that this life cannot contain and the grace that knows no bounds. May you know His touch in every situation you find yourself in, and may you always have the strength and courage to fight every battle He gives you in this life.

Those of you who have taken us before the Lord in prayer, have risked your own life, your own safety to assist us, a gift far greater than washers and dryers or [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]'s. A gift that words cannot express, a gift that shows your Love for our Lord, a gift that swells my heart and gives hope when hope was all but gone. My most grateful thanks to you all. And as you think of me, I would that you would ask our Lord to bestow upon me the grace to endure to the end, the strength to perserver, even when I need to have a break, a time of rest. And the mercy to show to others the same love and grace and kindness shown to me. And may you thank Him for His endless love and grace.
 
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As I get older and learn more about God's love than I ever dreamed was possible to understand, I am surprised that it is not the words that are meant to hurt that sting the most but rather it is the words that are meant to be comforts that hold the most bitter taste. Words that are spoken out of selfish desires and evil hearts that are most sour to the stomach. Those words that are meant to sting, have over time lost their bite.

Why does this surprise me? I don't know! Is this how it should be, or is it a calousness used to survive, that should be removed, scraped away?
 
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The only person other than God I have to confide in is my husband, can I say something here, just to get it out?

Our son, the one in the Navy, is seeking to be a medic, where the action is, he has spoken many times of dieing there, he really sees no future, no reason to live and yet he does not wish to die. I know this felling well, but I worry for him because he is so young to feel this way. I am okay with what God gives him as far as death or life goes, but I long for him to find a purpose, a reason to live. He sees his future in our situation and looses hope. That is a dangerous thing to loose which is why he went to the military in the first place, because all the other paths he wanted to try, came back failed.

Well, there I have said it, I worry that our son has lost hope, a goal. His desire to die while longing to live is a hard road to live in. He has no fear of either and yet, he is kind of in limbo over which he needs right now. I wish I could put it into words that you could understand. But alas, I have no words to express this desire that hoovers between life and death, between God's presence and this existance.

More study on purpose coming up I guess. Thanks for listening. I pray that he at least, doesn't test fate, but rather follows God's call wherever it leads.
 
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oh Razz, your story reminds me of the life of one of my dearest friends. Their family has endured years and years of trials too.
I pray God's encouragement for your son, and His provision and strength for you all.

Whew....I hope you are ok tonight.
 
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The only person other than God I have to confide in is my husband, can I say something here, just to get it out?

Our son, the one in the Navy, is seeking to be a medic, where the action is, he has spoken many times of dieing there, he really sees no future, no reason to live and yet he does not wish to die. I know this felling well, but I worry for him because he is so young to feel this way. I am okay with what God gives him as far as death or life goes, but I long for him to find a purpose, a reason to live. He sees his future in our situation and looses hope. That is a dangerous thing to loose which is why he went to the military in the first place, because all the other paths he wanted to try, came back failed.

Well, there I have said it, I worry that our son has lost hope, a goal. His desire to die while longing to live is a hard road to live in. He has no fear of either and yet, he is kind of in limbo over which he needs right now. I wish I could put it into words that you could understand. But alas, I have no words to express this desire that hoovers between life and death, between God's presence and this existance.

More study on purpose coming up I guess. Thanks for listening. I pray that he at least, doesn't test fate, but rather follows God's call wherever it leads.

I just want to say that I felt that way for quite awhile. I was diagnosed with depression and have been on one medicine for about 2 years. it really helps me. I wonder if this would apply to your son also.

I felt like that...I don't want to die, I just don't want to keep living like I am. That was what I said.

I pray for God to show him His way out. HIS will be done! I hope you don't mind my sharing.
 
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I just want to say that I felt that way for quite awhile. I was diagnosed with depression and have been on one medicine for about 2 years. it really helps me. I wonder if this would apply to your son also.

I felt like that...I don't want to die, I just don't want to keep living like I am. That was what I said.

I pray for God to show him His way out. HIS will be done! I hope you don't mind my sharing.
I appreciate your comments and covet your prayers. Our son would not take meds if it killed him. He won't even doctor a wound, interesting twist, that he is going to be a medic. Anyway, thanks for sharing, we keep praying for him and see him changing, I just get tired of holding it all inside and not being able to say anything to anyone. It really helps saying it and even more to know that people like you are listening and not judging but just simply listening and offering encouragement and prayer. Sometimes, that is more precious than gold and more important than words can express.
 
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WEll, I wanted to stop by and say, that it is such a blessing to have laundry done without my hands swelling from allergies to the detergent, and clean clothes at that. And to go to the [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] and find cold, safe food, that words cannot express the thankful hearts we hold within out beings. But I also wanted to thank you for your prayers on behalf of our son, he finally admitted that he went into the military because there weren't any decent jobs to be had. That is the first time he has admitted it, he sees us work our butts off, and not have enough even for the basics of life and believes that will be his fate as well. On top of that, he is told by his grandparents that it is our fault, that we don't work hard enough or spend carefully enough and so, he is torn between what is and what others try to make things. At 18 he doesn't have the filters to figure it all out. And so he goes to the military. Now if we can get him to understand that the military can train him for a great job, if he is only willing to follow the jobs and not just his dreams. It is the compromise that he hasn't yet figured out. But it is also why going to graduation was so important. Now we just need to figure out how to catch up from the lose there. Ah well, God will work it out. We need to learn to trust completely in His will and wisdom.

Thanks for all your prayers.
 
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I feel that it is boastful to assume that anyone is following this thread, and yet I see evidence that some are. Oh how I love and find comfort in your prayers and love. I did want to update those who have been following. My husband had a job interview with a factory that pays more than he is currently making. The amount would be marginal after adding extra miles but we are thankful for anything. To muddy the waters however, he found out that he will be getting a raise at work (where he is now), a two step raise. We don't know how much that will mean when it goes into affect, we are trying to find that out. But hey, it takes us closer to the poverty line and that seems like a good thing to us. We have been praying that God makes the decision for us, but to muddy things even further, the current job allows me to add to the income of the household, the new job wouldn't allow for that second income. So we have to figure that into the equasion as well.

Anyway, enough boring details, just wanted you to know that God is indeed the God who cares for us and Loves us and meets our needs. We just have to remember to be patient and wait rather than jump ahead of Him and do it our way.

We look forward to what the Lord has in mind.
 
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What a weekend! I will not go into details, it is another that I will bear within, and yet I find that I must speak somehow. People do not understand how fleeting this life really is. How little we need concern ourselves with the things of this earth. I too am also guilty of this lopesided, upside down understanding of the things that are important. And yet how many times do we get angry and upset when someone tries to explain that to us.

I sit here cold, we turned off the furnace in order to buy food. We keep what heat we can in the house dispite not having glass in several windows and yet there are no worries for we are okay, our God loves and adores us in ways that few will ever have the priveledge of knowing. And it is for this reason that I speak without fear. And yet I dread the things to come for I know them too well.

I am full to the brim with God's love and it bubbles and I can't contain it and it spills out and I cannot hold it all in. And yet, when I let it out, people become offended. Why? I ask myself this question all the time. Why would people be offended because I share with them the Love of a God for His people, a Love that defies all the things that we hold dear. Why would it offend people to know that I am the royal in this life because we have a washer and dryer and [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]. Because we have friends that spoil us with lunch and pop. Why should I walk on eggshells, fearing that I will offend people for telling them that God Loves them so much that nothing in this life can contain that Love or seperate them from it?. And yet they become offended and hurt and why? Why do people get offended, and hurt so easily?

Today I will wait, wait to see if the ax will once again fall, if once against we will be cut off from the land of the living for the gospel message that we bring to a lost and hurting world. Once again we will wait to see if people Love the Lord as they claim to do, or give lip service only, finding offense hiding in their hearts. But as I wait to see what befalls the Love of God and the truth of His word, I wonder, I question, I meditate on why people become offended and hurt because God is sooo very good to us His people.

I would appreciate anything you all might offer on this matter. I do not face the day fearing the cold, or hunger that crouches on our door. I do not face the day fearing what man can and will almost certainly say or do. I face this day, afraid that I will allow the world to stop me from speaking the truth, that I will be too weak to face it all again. That is battle will be more than I have the strength to endure, and I fear those who are innocent, that I will not be able to protect. But I also hope, beyond everything this life has taught me, that this time will be different, that this time the church will listen and not be afraid of the things of this world. I hope beyond reason that today will bring not neither storm nor promise of storm approaching but rather a return of Love and grace and peace that is beyond anything I have ever known from the world.

So the question of the day, is not what will come, but why do people become so burdened by the things that set them free?
 
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The more people who judge you, the more paranoid you become or at least that is my experience.

For the first time in a long time we are going to a church. We have been going for a couple of months now and I long to just sit there and say nothing for I know that if I say nothing, there is little room for contriversy. However, the people won't let me say nothing, they are slowly dragging us into the body. Sounds like a good thing and yet already I have been faced with two things that experience has told us would end poorly. But how do we keep silent about the things of God when He has been so very good to us? And if we are not silent, what then when the church not only turns their backs, but lashes out with venom equally or worse than the worlds? How do you continue to speak the word of God when your friends are attacked first and your oldest and dearest friends are involved in the church? How do you trust one more time when throughout your life it has always ended badly? How do you maintain hope in the face of what has always told you there is no hope?

The simple answer is God, but, what I have been learning and continue to learn, and what is facing us that could be potentially damaging, is that the things that are the simplist are often times the most volitle
 
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You can't help how others treat you. If someone takes from you then you are still supposed to give whatever else you have to offer no matter what it is. It's in the bible. I am sorry that would happen to you and I will be praying for your situations to get better. Just pray about it God knows your situation and if you will trust your money and decisions with him he will work everything out in your favor, because we are his friends.
 
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What an interesting week, full of struggles, some won and some still being fought. But something amazing has been dominant in my being this week. It is the idea of trusting even when all seems hopeless.

We have this "need" (I call it a need because it fits all the criteria for need and yet God promises to meet all our needs and it still remains unmet, so what to call it is beyond my grasp) to move from this place, into a place of rest. We found on line a place that would give us this. Let me qualify things here by saying that the rest is physical location as well as ministry. But we have absolutely no resources for obtaining this place. We have vision and desire and hope, but lack all resources. Now the challenge is to believe that God will provide when time and time again He has said no, not yet. I will admit that there are days and hours when I do not struggle to believe, and other days and hours when I feel hopeless and abandoned. My head tries to convince my heart not to loose hope and the battle rages on.

The amazing thing to me really is that I still hope, I still believe even though all seems hopeless. I see the great men and women of faith in Heb. who never received God's promises and believed anyway, to the end of their lives. And I compare myself to these greats and fear that I can't even come close. Is this a battle that I will ultimately win or loose? I cannot answer that question, but I fight on, believing that God's covenant Love is sound and true, and I question my sanity in believing and dreaming and hoping and planning. Is it insanity to hold in my being an undieing hope even when everyone else saying we're crazy, that it is all our fault, that if we would just try? Is it insanity to believe when all of life says we have what we deserve, that we have no real worth?

Yes, you may have guessed by now that part of this weeks trials included judgments. It is so hard to hear God when the enemies voice is audible to our ears. And yet, we need to listen to the still and quiet voice of God that resides in our spirits, ministering to us in quietness when the world and the enemy yells at us in decibles loud enough to deafen us. When even the past tells us that waiting on God is insanity. And yet, waiting patiently is Love for God. How much then do I Love God is the question of the day. I Cor. 13 tells us that Love is patient. Do I have enough Love patience to get through this time? I do not know. Does God's love for us, reach to this need? I do not know.

And so, as we fight on, trying to hear the voice of God and not the world, I pray this prayer to each of you, that you would love God with the Love of I Cor. 13. That each of us, me included would learn to Love Him with the patient Love of I Cor. 13, a love that quietly waits for Him even when the world says it is insanity to do so.
 
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