Is it moral?

[oioimoi]

Is it moral to torture someone for eternity because of finite crimes?

 

[SkyWriting]

Is it moral to torture someone for eternity because of temporary crimes?

I hope that they are tormented by the thoughts of what they have done
and I hope that the memory of these actions never fades.
Becasue that would just be Hell. But if somebody with authority
would forgive me, that would help ease my suffering.

 

[inquiring mind]

The unrepentant wickedness of people brings about any such final judgment on themselves, and that generally after a great deal of God’s patience. But, “we” are responsible for our actions here, salvation or not.

 

[Desires Light]

Is it moral to torture someone for eternity because of temporary crimes?

Is it right to torment someone period? Someone obviously got something wrong.

 

[salt-n-light]

Is it moral to torture someone for eternity because of temporary crimes?

what do you mean by temporary crimes?

 

[oioimoi]

what do you mean by temporary crimes?

I meant finite crimes.

 

[salt-n-light]

I meant finite crimes.

Every crime is finite in essence within bounds of time like any other action, but its impact can be infinite. Crimes don't only affect one person, and doesn't only bear its consequence within the time of action.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Is it moral to torture someone for eternity because of finite crimes?

It appears that if they do not have Christ, they will pay heavily for those sins.
M-Bob

 

[Inkfingers]

Is it moral to torture someone for eternity because of finite crimes?

If this a reference to hell, it should be asked in Christian Apologetics forum: Christian Apologetics

 

[dmmesdale]

Is it moral to torture someone for eternity because of finite crimes?

Given the position of both parties and warned in advance? Why think opinion matters?

 

[oioimoi]

This Negative self-esteem some theists have is amazingly creepy, to view your self as a hostage of Magical Mafia Boss for eternity is definition of madness.

It's really sad paranoia some of you people have. I don't buy in to such masochism.

 

[dreadnought]

Is it moral to torture someone for eternity because of finite crimes?

No, and nobody does that.

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

God made us in His image that is eternal and made us for his purposes and the whole purpose for all of creation was for beings angels and humans to experience the creation and have fellowship with the creator. Angels were in the presence of God and Satan magnified himself as equal to God and 1/3 of he angelic host followed after him. This choice was a permanent condition for the angels and no gospel was given to them. Man is placed in a different dilemma in that we start from the place of corruption in that all of us are born with a nature that is rebellious to God. The redemption plot in creation was a demonstration that LORD loves creation and took on the lowest place to obtain the place of both almighty creator and the bridge to reconciliation through taking on flesh and blood and experiencing death that we deserve and making atonement for those who will confess their sins and recognize that the suffering servant is indeed the LORD almighty. The eternity of our souls and your idea that it is unjust to punish you forever is not the issue. By making that the issue you are putting God on trial and claiming to have some moral authority over God. Since God created all out of nothing would not all things belong to Him and one has the right of ownership to do with what belongs to him. One place in scripture talks about a potter and the clay and from the same lump of clay can be made vessels of honor and dishonor. You know a vase for flowers or a bedpan. We get to choose what type of vessel we will be. The eternity in hell is not the punishment for out sins but reflects a permanent condition our hearts reach and is sealed at death. The one who rejected Christ and the gospel is raised aware and bitter and will not and can not repent at that point. So the rejection of God is permanent and the eternal state of your soul is based on an eternal choice that continues. In the Resurrection the Christian who has been sealed with the Spirit of God is raised up without the nature of Adam. This is the salvation we need is deliverance from the very nature we are born with. A Christian lives through this life with a battle between the old nature and the nature of Christ and it is a daily struggle to resist sin and pursue Gods calling. Like a blossom on the tree only the ones that get pollen become fruit the others fall of the tree and it is too late. You have to receive salvation on this side of death.

 

[oioimoi]

God made us in His image that is eternal and made us for his purposes and the whole purpose for all of creation was for beings angels and humans to experience the creation and have fellowship with the creator. Angels were in the presence of God and Satan magnified himself as equal to God and 1/3 of he angelic host followed after him. This choice was a permanent condition for the angels and no gospel was given to them. Man is placed in a different dilemma in that we start from the place of corruption in that all of us are born with a nature that is rebellious to God. The redemption plot in creation was a demonstration that LORD loves creation and took on the lowest place to obtain the place of both almighty creator and the bridge to reconciliation through taking on flesh and blood and experiencing death that we deserve and making atonement for those who will confess their sins and recognize that the suffering servant is indeed the LORD almighty. The eternity of our souls and your idea that it is unjust to punish you forever is not the issue. By making that the issue you are putting God on trial and claiming to have some moral authority over God. Since God created all out of nothing would not all things belong to Him and one has the right of ownership to do with what belongs to him. One place in scripture talks about a potter and the clay and from the same lump of clay can be made vessels of honor and dishonor. You know a vase for flowers or a bedpan. We get to choose what type of vessel we will be. The eternity in hell is not the punishment for out sins but reflects a permanent condition our hearts reach and is sealed at death. The one who rejected Christ and the gospel is raised aware and bitter and will not and can not repent at that point. So the rejection of God is permanent and the eternal state of your soul is based on an eternal choice that continues. In the Resurrection the Christian who has been sealed with the Spirit of God is raised up without the nature of Adam. This is the salvation we need is deliverance from the very nature we are born with. A Christian lives through this life with a battle between the old nature and the nature of Christ and it is a daily struggle to resist sin and pursue Gods calling. Like a blossom on the tree only the ones that get pollen become fruit the others fall of the tree and it is too late. You have to receive salvation on this side of death.

I'm not a slave. It's amazing that some one wants to be one. It's better to be dead eventually then spend eternity my your knees, f that.

 

[Dave-W]

I'm not a slave. It's amazing that some one wants to be one. It's better to be dead eventually then spend eternity on your knees, f that.

Except dead is not the cessation of consciousness. Without Christ (even if you never commit a sin or crime) you will spend eternity in a blast furnace.

He is your only way out.

 

[Desires Light]

It appears that if they do not have Christ, they will pay heavily for those sins.
M-Bob

Moving space rock's around for eternity, now that's heavy.

 

[Dave-W]

It appears that if they do not have Christ, they will pay heavily for those sins.

Except it has little to do with sins. It is about not having Christ as Lord.

 

[oioimoi]

Except dead is not the cessation of consciousness. Without Christ (even if you never commit a sin or crime) you will spend eternity in a blast furnace.

He is your only way out.

You know that you might be wrong, and God isn't a Maniac, as you portray Him, I mean, you haven't seen him yourself? That's why your faith is only a popular opinion.

 

[ananda]

Is it moral to torture someone for eternity because of finite crimes?

No.

 

[hedrick]

Is it moral to torture someone for eternity because of finite crimes?

No.