Is it moral?

[Albion]

Is it moral to torture someone for eternity because of finite crimes?

You apparently assume that God is going to be torturing someone for eternity, although I am not sure that Scripture ever says that.

 

[hedrick]

You apparently assume that God is going to be torturing someone for eternity, although I am not sure that Scripture ever says that.

Isn’t denying it considered unorthodox by CF and most traditional Christians?

 

[Albion]

I don’t think that's the case.

 

[oioimoi]

I don’t think that's the case.

Do Anglicans believe in hell at all?

 

[Albion]

Do Anglicans believe in hell at all?

Certainly.

 

[oioimoi]

Certainly.

What happens to souls after finite hell torture?

 

[Albion]

After?? How can we say what happens after eternity? You did say in your initial post that you were talking about torture for eternity.

 

[oioimoi]

After?? How can we say what happens after eternity? You did say in your initial post that you were talking about torture for eternity.

You said that hell isn't eternal, so what happens after finite torture according to your belief?

 

[Albion]

You said that hell isn't eternal

I did not say that.

 

[oioimoi]

I did not say that.

I mistook your uncertainty, my bad.

 

[Albion]

I mistook your uncertainty, my bad.

Which uncertainty is that? I said that I am not sure that Scripture anywhere says that GOD will personally torture people in hell for eternity. If I have overlooked some verse, please do bring it to my attention.

Whether God himself is torturing people endlessly bears upon the question here, I hope everyone will concede.

But if he is not, there still can be a hell, and it can indeed be place/state of unhappiness for those who are there.

In addition, and in response to Hedrick, I do not think that denying hell--for those who do--certainly would constitute a heresy. Many if not most Eastern Orthodox Christians feel that there may not be a hell in the traditional sense and, if there is one, that it is not eternal.

 

[John 1720]

Is it moral to torture someone for eternity because of finite crimes?

Is it moral for a person to reap what they sow?

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

the punishment for not being in Christ is eternal separation from God. the eternal torment thing is the LORD's vengeance and wrath on His enemies( psalms 7:11, romans 12:19, Hebrews 10:30-31)

 

[Rajni]

Is it moral to torture someone for eternity because of finite crimes?

No.

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[cvanwey]

Except dead is not the cessation of consciousness. Without Christ (even if you never commit a sin or crime) you will spend eternity in a blast furnace.

He is your only way out.

And lack in belief is what dictates this destination, which does not even encompass morals, but is instead, amoral. Can someone choose what to believe?

Simple test: Make yourself believe China does not exist. If you can, you have true free will of your beliefs.

If someone does not belief, because they claim the presented evidence is lacking for them, does this warrant the conclusion of eternal condemnation (or an eternal 'blast furnace')?

According to Christianity, this is the axiomatic conclusion or dichotomy presented (i.e.) Mark 16:15-16

'15 And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.'

 

[oioimoi]

And lack in belief is what dictates this destination, which does not even encompass morals, but is instead, amoral. Can someone choose what to believe?

Simple test: Make yourself believe China does not exist. If you can, you have true free will of your beliefs.

If someone does not belief, because they claim the presented evidence is lacking for them, does this warrant the conclusion of eternal condemnation (or an eternal 'blast furnace')?

According to Christianity, this is the axiomatic conclusion or dichotomy presented (i.e.) Mark 16:15-16

'15 And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.'

Feels like warrior mentality people all over world pretend that there is hell to find an excuse for themselves and others to aim for Magical Artifacts.

I don't feel like there is a point in "religious Magical Artifacts", when current life is full of misery.

 

[cvanwey]

If this a reference to hell, it should be asked in Christian Apologetics forum: Christian Apologetics

As a new subscriber, I doubt he/she yet has sufficient privileges to post there...?

 

[Occams Barber]

As a new subscriber, I doubt he/she yet has sufficient privileges to post there...?

He/she needs 100 posts and 5 Likes to even peep in the window at Christian Apologetics.

Based on the tone of a couple of @oioimoi 's posts, the hardest bit may be getting the 'Likes'.
OB

 

[Occams Barber]

You apparently assume that God is going to be torturing someone for eternity, although I am not sure that Scripture ever says that.

I have no idea what Scripture says but I think oioimoi asks a valid question.

I find that Christians are a bit all over the place when it comes to hell, but the impression I have from this Forum, is that Eternal Damnation is the agreed standard.

If this is the case, then it would seem that the punishment significantly outweighs the crime.
OB

 

[Hidden In Him]

I have no idea what Scripture says but I think oioimoi asks a valid question.

I find that Christians are a bit all over the place when it comes to hell, but the impression I have from this Forum, is that Eternal Damnation is the agreed standard.

If this is the case, then it would seem that the punishment significantly outweighs the crime.
OB

It's a shame you're not asking the question because it is indeed a valid one, and you seem to have a quiet spirit about you. He asks it while incessantly being disdainful and insulting, and I'm sure when he reads this he will resort to his usual venom-spitting disdain for his fellow man, LoL. But that's his pleasure and I'll leave him to it. It's not something I partake in. But my answer would be that if our spirits are eternal and some chose to forever spew or manifest hatred towards others, then yes, they would probably only feel welcome and at home in an environment of eternal suffering.

I'd be interested to know your response if it can be discussed in a peaceful spirit. His response I will likely ignore.

Blessings.