Is it good to help a disabled widow by cutting her grass?

[DamianWarS]

In my understanding, it's about Honoring God by walking in HIS Ways, not your own. If you would try and consider more than just ONE sentence the Christ of the Bible Spoke, perhaps your views would change, and you could see what others are trying to show you.

Luke 4: 25 But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land; (This certainly seems like an emergency to me) 26 But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow.

Why would Jesus teach this? If you are saving the lost, shouldn't you know?

Matt. 10: 12 And when ye come into an house, salute it. (Would this also not include Widows?) 13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

The Christ of the Bible instructs you in so many things, and yet, you won't even acknowledge them. And why? So you can justify treating God's Holy Day the same as all other days?

This same Christ says this about His Sabbath HE Himself said was "Made for man".

Is. 58: 13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: 14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Yes, you would receive lots of accolades for mowing Lawns for poor widows on God's Holy Sabbaths, from those in this world who also treat it as just another day. But it seems to me that she would be better served "Seeking first the Kingdom of God and HIS Righteousness", and then you can mow her Lawn on your time, and not His.

Mowing the law is nothing to do with "my time" or "my ways" or turning the Sabbath into any other day, it is about reaching the lost. You seem unable to grasp that to do this may require a measure of work. Can we at least agree that reaching the lost is good? It is certainly conceivable that work may be needed on other days to reach the lost so why does the need to reach the lost change on the Sabbath?

Christ says it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath but you seem to be set at putting a limit on goodness. At what point has one exerted too much energy to sufficiently save a sheep? Is there a limit to that as well? Is not the goal to save the sheep regardless of the effort it takes? How much more valuable are people? How much more valuable is spiritual over the physical? Yet you suggest to shrug your shoulders on the Sabbath with tethered effort to reach the lost and a sentiment of "any day but today?"

Paul tells us that in 2 Cor 6 "today is the day of salvation" and he goes on to describe the work involed:

We put no stumbling block in anyone’s path, so that our ministry will not be discredited. Rather, as servants of God we commend ourselves in every way: in great endurance; in troubles, hardships and distresses; in beatings, imprisonments and riots; in hard work, sleepless nights and hunger; in purity, understanding, patience and kindness; in the Holy Spirit and in sincere love; in truthful speech and in the power of God; with weapons of righteousness in the right hand and in the left; through glory and dishonor, bad report and good report; genuine, yet regarded as impostors; known, yet regarded as unknown; dying, and yet we live on; beaten, and yet not killed; sorrowful, yet always rejoicing; poor, yet making many rich; having nothing, and yet possessing everything.

There is time for taking your peace with you as you suggested and there is time for pressing onward. Paul seems to be of the pressing onward camp. Is his description something that is lawful carried out on the Sabbath? Are these acts worthy to be called good?

Can "today" be the day of Sabbath? Is it suited for salvation? Should it be met with tethered effort to reach the lost or something closer to what Paul described?

 

[Leaf473]

Just because a man may not understand or believe in God's instructions, doesn't make them irrelevant.

Right, not irrelevant...

But the 7th day has no obvious moral aspect to it.

Every culture I can think of, from hunter-gatherer to modern, has some kind of taboo or law about stealing. But the same isn't true of the seventh day. Only those cultures related in some way to Mesopotamia are aware of it.

At least, that's what I remember from the last time I looked into it

 

[Leaf473]

Gathering Sticks to make a fire was not evil, unless you waited until God's Holy Day to Gather them.

Is gathering sticks inherently good?

Based on the thread title, a key issue is whether something is inherently good.

 

[Leaf473]

God's Sabbath has a purpose for men, at least according to the Christ of the Bible.

Now you're appealing to revealed law, what the Bible says. That's fine, but it's not the same as those things that have an obvious moral aspect to them.

 

[Leaf473]

Those who have been convinced God is illogical, or His Sabbath Commandment not moral, as your post implies, will never know the purpose.

I don't think God is illogical. Sometimes people who seek him write things that are illogical, unfortunately.

I don't mean to imply that any Commandments of God are immoral. I do mean to say that I don't see any obvious moral aspect to the seventh day.

 

[Leaf473]

Sure, they will still preach in His Name. They will still help get folks off drugs and away from crime, and they might create a huge religious business that does nothing but mow widow's lawns. But Jesus warns of this exact thing. There are some who believe we should Honor the Christ in believing ALL of His Sayings, not just those they can use to justify a religious sect or lifestyle, like the Mainstream Preachers of Jesus Time did.

Matt. 7: 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Yes, those things can happen.

You may wish to consider that if you disregard the mainstream of Christianity throughout history, then you are very likely disregarding the table of contents of your Bible.

That's not really on topic for this thread, but if you'd like to talk about it somewhere else, please let me know

Bible Gateway passage: 2 Timothy 3:15 - New American Bible (Revised Edition)

and that from infancy you have known [the] sacred scriptures, which are capable of giving you wisdom for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

www.biblegateway.com

 

[Leaf473]

Yes, if a man has been convinced to reject and/or ignore some of God's "Instruction in righteousness" before a coma, no doubt he will have the same mindset after the coma. A man either believes in the Christ of the Bible or he doesn't, in my view.

The example is not about what God has revealed in writing, but about what things have an obvious moral aspect.

The example is also about coming out of a coma and not knowing what day it is without someone telling you. That's because there is no obvious difference from one day to the next.

Indeed, if we accept a spherical rotating Earth, we know that it's actually the same day that continues moving around the Earth. As does the night.

Bringing that around directly to the thread topic, there is an obvious moral aspect to helping a disabled widow. If it is inherently good, there is no obvious reason why it should become evil based on the rotation of the Earth.

Possibly someone will make a case from scripture, written revelation, that it does become evil. It looks to me, though, that the scriptures are actually pointing in the other direction.

 

[Leaf473]

A man either believes in the Christ of the Bible or he doesn't, in my view.

Do you agree that those who have never heard of Jesus of Nazareth have an inherent moral sense? The law of God written on their hearts?

Bible Gateway passage: Romans 2:14-15 - New American Standard Bible

For when Gentiles who do not have the Law instinctively perform the requirements of the Law, these, though not having the Law, are a law to themselves, in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience testifying and their thoughts alternately accusing or else...

www.biblegateway.com

 

[Studyman]

Mowing the law is nothing to do with "my time" or "my ways" or turning the Sabbath into any other day, it is about reaching the lost. You seem unable to grasp that to do this may require a measure of work. Can we at least agree that reaching the lost is good? It is certainly conceivable that work may be needed on other days to reach the lost so why does the need to reach the lost change on the Sabbath?

Christ says it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath but you seem to be set at putting a limit on goodness. At what point has one exerted too much energy to sufficiently save a sheep? Is there a limit to that as well? Is not the goal to save the sheep regardless of the effort it takes? How much more valuable are people? How much more valuable is spiritual over the physical? Yet you suggest to shrug your shoulders on the Sabbath with tethered effort to reach the lost and a sentiment of "any day but today?"

Paul tells us that in 2 Cor 6 "today is the day of salvation" and he goes on to describe the work involed:


There is time for taking your peace with you as you suggested and there is time for pressing onward. Paul seems to be of the pressing onward camp. Is his description something that is lawful carried out on the Sabbath? Are these acts worthy to be called good?

Can "today" be the day of Sabbath? Is it suited for salvation? Should it be met with tethered effort to reach the lost or something closer to what Paul described?

Ex. 20: 8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Is. 58: 13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: 14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Mark 2: 27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

You are not the first to create your own gospel with no Sabbath or a polluted Sabbath. It is lawful to do "Good" on God's Sabbaths. It's not Lawful to treat it the same as the heathen. Mow your lawns on your Time. Honor God with respect on HIS Time. This is what I advocate.

You don't have to of course, you can adopt any religion you want. But I advocate for listening to the Christ of the Bible above, and then follow HIS instruction.

As HE said, and I posted, but you refused to even acknowledge.

Matt. 7: 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, (That I posted and you ignored) and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

I believe the Christ of the Bible deserves honor and respect for "ALL" of His instruction. His Word shouldn't be cherry picked to promote or justify a person's opinion or religious choice's though that is what "many" who come in His Name do. God's sabbaths have been despised by men since He created it for them. The Christ has these stories written so we wouldn't lust in like manner.

 

[Studyman]

Right, not irrelevant...


Every culture I can think of, from hunter-gatherer to modern, has some kind of taboo or law about stealing. But the same isn't true of the seventh day. Only those cultures related in some way to Mesopotamia are aware of it.

At least, that's what I remember from the last time I looked into it

Well there is no way Adam and Eve didn't know about God's Sabbath, as they were created before the Sabbath was created. Even satan worshippers have some code of honor, which could be said to align with "some" of God's Commandments. There are a lot of religious men who as Paul teaches, profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

But the Sabbath of God, that is unique to Him. This is what the Christ, the Holy One of Israel said about His Sabbath, before becoming a man.

Ez. 20: 11 And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them. 12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

I see you mowing some random widow's lawn or building a deck, or grilling pork chops on God's Holy Sabbath, what does that show me? Only that you have no respect for God's instruction in righteousness.

Does it matter? It mattered enough for the Christ to have these examples written for us and to inspire Paul to write, "Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

 

[Studyman]

Do you agree that those who have never heard of Jesus of Nazareth have an inherent moral sense? The law of God written on their hearts?

Bible Gateway passage: Romans 2:14-15 - New American Standard Bible

For when Gentiles who do not have the Law instinctively perform the requirements of the Law, these, though not having the Law, are a law to themselves, in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience testifying and their thoughts alternately accusing or else...

www.biblegateway.com

No. I don't agree that God wrote His Laws on the hearts men who never heard about Him or His Son. And Paul isn't preaching that. You are, but Paul wasn't.

Rom. 10: 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

The Gentiles didn't have God's Laws, they were given to the Jews. But Gentiles heard about God and sought Him out since early on in the Law and Prophets and Rehab shows us.

Matt. 15: 24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. 26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. 27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table. 28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Acts 13: 42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Acts 15: 19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. 21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.


Apparently, God forgot to write His Laws on these Gentile's heart. In your religion, is this because they "turned to God"?


Rom. 6: 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? This is Paul's instruction to both Jew and Gentile.

Luke 13: 3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Do you believe this is only speaking to men of a certain DNA, or all men?

It is foolishness to preach that God writes His Laws on men's heart that are not seeking Him or have not heard of Him. The Gentiles didn't have God's Law, but they sure knew where to find it, and there were those believed, even though they were not given the Oracles of God, but heard about Him through the Jews.

 

[Studyman]

Yes, those things can happen.

You may wish to consider that if you disregard the mainstream of Christianity throughout history, then you are very likely disregarding the table of contents of your Bible.

That's not really on topic for this thread, but if you'd like to talk about it somewhere else, please let me know

Bible Gateway passage: 2 Timothy 3:15 - New American Bible (Revised Edition)

and that from infancy you have known [the] sacred scriptures, which are capable of giving you wisdom for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

www.biblegateway.com

The religious traditions of men have not changed much as Prophesied, "There is no new thing under the sun".

Mark 7: 6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

When I look around, I see a world full of religions who have created huge religious businesses, their own high days, their own image of God in the likeness of some random long haired men's hair shampoo model. I see God's Judgments despised and rejected, His sabbaths polluted and ignored. His Feasts mocked and forgotten.

And "many" who come in His Name, who preach that Jesus is truly the Christ, do and preach all these things in Christ's Name. It seems Jesus saw all this coming.

Matt. 24: 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I (Jesus) am Christ; and shall deceive many.

It seems this is no different than the religions of Ezekiel's Time.

Ez. 20: 11 And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them. 12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them. 13 But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and my sabbaths they greatly polluted: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them.

Paul said these were written as example for us, so we wouldn't be convinced to follow the same path of rebellion and disobedience they followed.

 

[Studyman]

The example is not about what God has revealed in writing, but about what things have an obvious moral aspect.

In all due respect. God tells me how to Love and Honor Him, and how to Love and honor one another. You imply that rejecting God's judgments or instructions so men can practice their religious traditions is somehow "moral". Or that God punishing men for doing on His sabbath what they could have done in the 6 days He gave them, is also somehow immoral.

I look at God differently having trusted Him in His instruction. I highly recommend it, but there is a cost.

The example is also about coming out of a coma and not knowing what day it is without someone telling you. That's because there is no obvious difference from one day to the next.

In your religion this is clearly so. To a child it would be the same, until someone of a higher power told them differently. We disagree because you don't believe God is worthy to instruct you regarding the week HE created. And to anyone before knowing God, one day is no different than another. But to God, that just isn't so. At least according the God of the Bible. You can read it for yourself, it's the "Faith" part that you seem to be the issue.

Indeed, if we accept a spherical rotating Earth, we know that it's actually the same day that continues moving around the Earth. As does the night.

Of course you imply by this post that you are wiser than God, and certainly you imply that God didn't know what HE was doing when HE created His Week or His Sabbaths for men.

Me, I don't believe I am wiser than God, nor do I qualify to judge Him or His Holy Instructions.

You are free to do so however, I would caution a brother against such a choice.

Bringing that around directly to the thread topic, there is an obvious moral aspect to helping a disabled widow. If it is inherently good, there is no obvious reason why it should become evil based on the rotation of the Earth.

Hey, mow her lawn. Obedience to God must come from the heart in Faith. I don't believe teaching a widow to reject God's Sabbaths, just because you have, is "Good" for the Widow. But you are obviously persuaded otherwise. Jesus speaks about this as well.

"And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."

Possibly someone will make a case from scripture, written revelation, that it does become evil. It looks to me, though, that the scriptures are actually pointing in the other direction.

It seems maybe you should consider ALL the Words of the Christ of the Bible, regarding His Sabbath. In your religion, this is the Christ, Yes? Who became a man in the Person of Jesus?


Is. 58: 13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Perhaps it would be better for the widow to share the Christ's Words with her, and not your own opinions or religion. Surely that would be something to consider.

 

[Studyman]

I don't think God is illogical. Sometimes people who seek him write things that are illogical, unfortunately.

I don't mean to imply that any Commandments of God are immoral. I do mean to say that I don't see any obvious moral aspect to the seventh day.

Pagans throughout history lived by the same rule, not "Seeing" the wisdom of God, nor the morality of obedience to His Commandments. It's a "Glorify God as God thing".

 

[Leaf473]

Well there is no way Adam and Eve didn't know about God's Sabbath, as they were created before the Sabbath was created.

Well Hello again, Studyman. As you've probably figured out already, I'm going through the posts one by one, and part by part. I'm about to head into evening quiet time, but I wanted to at least get started on your responses
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It's possible Adam and Eve knew that God was resting, also possible that they did not. The scripture doesn't tell us.

A thing we may wish to ponder is that if God rested for a literal 24-hour day starting at sunset, that means that part of him was resting and part was still working, since the sun hadn't yet set farther to the West.

 

[DamianWarS]

As HE said, and I posted, but you refused to even acknowledge.

You've likening my posts to things like man's ways, against the Sabbath, rejecting his commandments, etc... and posting scripture that echos all these sentiments without actually addressing the points. I can post those scriptures too and fire them back at you but without critical engangment they are not constructive. So I'm not sure what you want me to acknowledge because I'm not interested in a discussion where we just exchange insults.

The whole premise is based on Christ's words saying it is lawful to do good and i always ga back to they goal. I would appriciate approaching my position like you understand that rather than accusing me of the opposite. You seem more focuses on judging and calling it incompatible with Christ than actually entering the conversation. We can't progress if you're unwilling to discuss the points.

 

[Studyman]

You've likening my posts to things like man's ways, against the Sabbath, rejecting his commandments, etc... and posting scripture that echos all these sentiments without actually addressing the points.

No, I am making points based on Scriptures, and you are refusing to acknowledge the Scriptures I post, choosing instead to promote your own opinion about what is good. This is simply the truth.

I can post those scriptures too and fire them back at you but without critical engangment they are not constructive.

Perhaps you can, but so far you seem to only believe one sentence spoken by the Christ of the Bible, which you are using to promote the popular religious philosophy, promoted by "many" in this world for centuries, that the Sabbaths of God are no different than any other day.

I disagree with this popular philosophy based on what the Christ actually says, when more than one of His Sayings are considered. I post His Words for review and discussion, but so far you have yet to acknowledge them.

So I'm not sure what you want me to acknowledge because I'm not interested in a discussion where we just exchange insults.

I don't see the Words of the Christ that I posted, but you ignored, nor any of the Holy Scriptures HE inspired as "insults".

The whole premise is based on Christ's words saying it is lawful to do good and i always ga back to they goal.

I don't believe it is wise, or honest for that matter, to take one sentence from my Lord's Christ, separate it from all His Other Words recorded in the Scriptures, and then use these words, while ignoring the others, to promote your own opinion regarding God's Sabbaths.

What the Scriptures teach, which I believe is more useful than your religious opinions, would be to bring this poor woman into your own home, where hopefully you have prepared for God's Holy Day. She can sit and fellowship in your mowed Lawn, which you mowed in the six days that God gave you to do such things. She can eat food you have prepared perhaps put on clothes you had already washed in the six days God gave you to do such things.

You could share, not just one sentence spoken by the Holy One of Israel, the Rock of my Salvation, but you could share "Every Word" of my Redeemer, the Christ of the Bible. In this way this woman could hear the Sayings of the Christ of the Bible and not simply your religious opinions. This is "Good", Yes? Then after Honoring God in God's Holy Sabbaths, you could mow her lawn or wash her car on another day. The Christ tells you this and I have posted His words for discussion. But so far, you have refused.

Is. 58: 6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke? 7 Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?

Is. 58: 13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: 14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

I would appriciate approaching my position like you understand that rather than accusing me of the opposite. You seem more focuses on judging and calling it incompatible with Christ than actually entering the conversation. We can't progress if you're unwilling to discuss the points.

I am not helping you or loving you by affirming a religious opinion that contradicts many of the Words of the Lord's Christ.

 

[DamianWarS]

No, I am making points based on Scriptures, and you are refusing to acknowledge the Scriptures I post, choosing instead to promote your own opinion about what is good. This is simply the truth.


Perhaps you can, but so far you seem to only believe one sentence spoken by the Christ of the Bible, which you are using to promote the popular religious philosophy, promoted by "many" in this world for centuries, that the Sabbaths of God are no different than any other day.

I disagree with this popular philosophy based on what the Christ actually says, when more than one of His Sayings are considered. I post His Words for review and discussion, but so far you have yet to acknowledge them.



I don't see the Words of the Christ that I posted, but you ignored, nor any of the Holy Scriptures HE inspired as "insults".



I don't believe it is wise, or honest for that matter, to take one sentence from my Lord's Christ, separate it from all His Other Words recorded in the Scriptures, and then use these words, while ignoring the others, to promote your own opinion regarding God's Sabbaths.

What the Scriptures teach, which I believe is more useful than your religious opinions, would be to bring this poor woman into your own home, where hopefully you have prepared for God's Holy Day. She can sit and fellowship in your mowed Lawn, which you mowed in the six days that God gave you to do such things. She can eat food you have prepared perhaps put on clothes you had already washed in the six days God gave you to do such things.

You could share, not just one sentence spoken by the Holy One of Israel, the Rock of my Salvation, but you could share "Every Word" of my Redeemer, the Christ of the Bible. In this way this woman could hear the Sayings of the Christ of the Bible and not simply your religious opinions. This is "Good", Yes? Then after Honoring God in God's Holy Sabbaths, you could mow her lawn or wash her car on another day. The Christ tells you this and I have posted His words for discussion. But so far, you have refused.

Is. 58: 6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke? 7 Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?

Is. 58: 13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: 14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.




I am not helping you or loving you by affirming a religious opinion that contradicts many of the Words of the Lord's Christ.

The premise is it is law lawful to do good on the Sabbath. How do you suggest we understand what Jesus means when he says "good"?

 

[Studyman]

The premise is it is law lawful to do good on the Sabbath. How do you suggest we understand what Jesus means when he says "good"?

That's a great question. Perhaps a man could consider listening to and honoring and respecting His Every Word, and not just one sentence.

Matt. 19: 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

As Paul also teaches.

2 Tim. 3: 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[DamianWarS]

That's a great question. Perhaps a man could consider listening to and honoring and respecting His Every Word, and not just one sentence.

Matt. 19: 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Those are different Greek words. Jesus tells us it is lawful to do good (G2573 kalós) on the Sabbath. The word good here is liken to "well, nobly, honorably, rightly". Other Greek sources say it is better put as "beautiful" but still a common word and very accessible.

With Christ's response to the rich man saying "there is only One who is good" (G18 agathos) is more what is intrinsically good from the source of God himself and is far more of a lofty word. This is why Christ so quickly comments on the word.

in any event Christ does not tell us it is lawful to do "agathos" on the Sabbath