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The commandment correctly interpreted says "you shall not murder." A soldier or police officer who takes a life in the line of duty id not murdering. Neither is a person protecting himself or his family.
There is no Scripture prohibiting such killing.
Sorry my young Brother you are mistaken. Look again and you will find verses that instruct men to carry swords (Lk. 22:36 for example). Why would Jesus instruct men to carry swords? I'm sure He didn't mean for them to shave with them.
Well, the whole stuff in the sermon on the mount that's already been quoted to you seems to rule out self-defence.
Jesus rebuked someone here:
"Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword." Matt 26:52
So, that prohibits the use of guns and such to hurt others.
Ok, hotshot, if watching your wife or daughter raped or beaten to death and you theoretically could stop it but don't is your conviction, by all means live (or die with) your conviction, but don't try to put some lame pseudo-guilt trip on the rest of us that don't agree with that and don't want harm to come to us or our loved ones. ENOUGH SAID!!"John can't rob me because I'm packing heat, so he'll rob Jim who doesn't instead" is exactly that.
That's not for your or your conscience to decide what someone else or their conscience thinks.It's still not okay, it goes against New Testament. Christians aren't to be in the army, neither should they be cops if they kill people.
Ok, hotshot, if watching your wife or daughter raped or beaten to death and you theoretically could stop it but don't is your conviction, by all means live (or die with) your conviction, but don't try to put some lame pseudo-guilt trip on the rest of us that don't agree with that and don't want harm to come to us or our loved ones. ENOUGH SAID!!
That's perfectly fine (and I have personally heard of things like that near where I live), but there have also been plenty of people that genuinely prayed when life in danger that lost it, too., so I don't see anything wrong with someone defending themselves, either with prayer and demon-rebuking, or gun, knife, bare hands, kick, nunchacku (numchucks), baseball bat, whatever. No, I don't feel the least bit guilty writing this. Live and let live, follow golden rule, fight or resist only as last resort, but if have to, then by all means hold nothing back (the main reason I'm alive and healthy now, and a reason my family did not come to harm some years back).We don't need to kill people, and not always hurt them, but we can use the mighty weapon of prayer/the name of Jesus which is the name above all names. I gave an example, of a woman I know.
Self-preservation is an instinct within us since the time of creation, and I'm sure it did not originate with Lucifer. Yes, live and let live, follow the golden rule, defend yourself and resist only as a last resort, but by cracky if you have to defend yourself, do it BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY! I certainly don't feel any guilt or prickled conscience by that statement.Well, the whole stuff in the sermon on the mount that's already been quoted to you seems to rule out self-defence. But beyond that, given that Christianity is essentially about being selfless, I'm not entirely sure that defending oneself can really be said to sit well with that. I'm not even talking about killing in self-defence (which raises all sorts of ethical issues of its own - if taking a life is an act of evil, can it suddenly become an act of good if it's done in "self-defence"? If so, why and how?), but just self-defence in general. As Christians (I realise this isn't a Christians-only section of the forum, but I'm writing from a Christian perspective), we're called to take up our cross and follow Jesus, and that path involves suffering. As long as we're faithful to Jesus, should we do things to prevent ourselves from suffering at the hands of others, physically or otherwise? Human instinct says "yes," but that seems to be a case of human instinct not squaring with Jesus's expectations of us.
Talk about micro picture. You seem to stuck on the extreme rigid "no resistance whatsoever" mode regardless of danger or harm to oneself or someone dear to them. I'm not saddled with that rigidness, thank you.You're still thinking in the micro picture.
But even there by your own scenario you haven't solved a problem, just made it someone else's problem: very Christian of you.
He was not at all a bullied doormat! He spoke before the rulers who were to judge Him, and they could find no fault.
Have you missed the element of the Gospel that is Him laying down His life willingly?
Correct! You have won the thread. We can see the Church struggle with this, throughout history. No easy answers here
How do we "know" Pluto has an orbital time span of 248 earth years when we only discovered it 83 years ago? no one has ever witnessed a complete orbit let alone timed it.
I'll tell you how we "know", we use scientific method.
Certainty is too much to ask, and I feel it would be inappropriate to call the estimates that we derive from our dating techniques as just guesses. The estimates are about as close to certainty as we will probably ever get.
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