Is it by works or by faith?

[Alithis]

The true believers were and are adopted children of God (Jn.1:12; Rom.8:14-17). The relationship will remain though sometimes we are disobedient, for it is impossible for a man who is still alive not to commit sins, even Christians; and the LORD will deal with His children that sinned, who do not repent with chastisement;

Heb.12:5-11, v. 6, “For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth and scourgeth every son he receiveth’’. The punishment
will be (I Cor. 11: 30 and 32) getting weak, sickly, and the worst is sleep (died). Therefore if we sin and did not confess to God then He will chastise His children (saved) Heb.12:6;I Cor. 11: 30 and 32.

And...theres more..
If we refuse to repent we..even as dines grafted in by adoption will be cut off .

 

[Jether]

Jn.10:27-30, the sheep will be given “eternal life” and shall never perish, neither can any man pluck them out of the hands of the Lord and the Father”. Rom.8: 35-39,
Neither any things mentioned, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Thus if we(saved) will not repent, we will NOT be cut off as we have the assurance of salvation but the Lord will chastise His children who do not confess the sins commited.

 

[Jether]

And...theres more..
If we refuse to repent we..even as dines grafted in by adoption will be cut off .

Jn.10:27-30, the sheep will be given “eternal life” and shall never perish, neither can any man pluck them out of the hands of the Lord and the Father”. Rom.8: 35-39,
Neither any things mentioned, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Thus if we(saved) will not repent, we will NOT be cut off as we have the assurance of salvation but the Lord will chastise His children who do not confess the sins commited.

 

[Soyeong]

Works of Law here means that the righteousness of man can be acquired by doing the deeds of the law(mosaic law) during their times and good works(self-righteousness) in our time but this is not so as only our faith in the faith of the Lord Jesus Christ(Gal.2:16) can a man be justified (saved) without good works. Rom. 3:28 - Therefore we conclude that a “Man” is “Justified’’ by “Faith’’ without the “Deeds of the Law’’.

The one and only way that there has ever been to become righteous is by faith and by the faith we are required to be careful to live in obedience to all of God's Laws, so that the righteousness of the Law. We are told that the children of God practice righteous (1 John 3:10) and that the OT Scriptures are profitable for training in righteousness and equipping us to do every good work, so it is talking about doing deeds of the Law, but is not talking about a self-righteousness. Jesus said that if we love him, then we will obey His commands (John 14:15) and that faith is one of the weightier matters of the Law (Matthew 23:23), so we should obey God's commands because we love Him and we have faith in Him to guide us in how we should rightly live, but God's commands can be obeyed for other purposes, such as making someone look good. So the difference between God's righteousness and self-righteousness is not in a particular righteous action, such as helping the poor, but straightforwardly in who gets the glory for that action.

In Romans 3:27-31, Paul made a distinction between a law of works and a law of faith, where man-made works of law are not of faith, but God's Law is of faith, so we are not justified by works of law. However, it is equally true that obedience to God's Law was never about trying to become justified and that we are justified by faith apart from God's Law, yet many people today are still making the error of thinking that obeying God's Law was about trying to become justified, only there have compounded their error by concluding that their faith does away with their need to obey God's Law, whereas Paul concluded by saying that our faith does not do away with God's Law, but rather our faith upholds God's Law.

In the 1st century, there was a large body of Jewish oral laws, traditions, rulings, and fence that taught for how to obey the Mosaic Law and that people needed to obey in order to become saved. For example, in Matthew 15:2-3, Jesus was asked why his disciples broke the traditions of the elders and he responded by asking them why they broke the command of God for the sake of their tradition. He also said that for the sake of their tradition they made void the Word of God (Matthew 15:6), that they worshiped God in vain because they taught as doctrine the commands of men (Matthew 15:8-9), and that they were hypocrites for setting aside the commands of God for the sake of their tradition (Mark 7:6-9), so the role of these Jewish oral laws was a major source of conflict between Jesus and the Pharisees, which continued between the followers of Jesus and the Pharisees, which came to a head in Acts 15. If you do not account for the fact that much of the discussion in the NT is in regard to these oral laws and just assume that they were always talking about the Mosaic Law, then you will not correctly understand what was being said. The phrase "works of law" has no definitive article, so it doesn't refer to a specific set of laws, such as the Law of Moses, but rather Paul used it as a catch-all phrase to refer to this large body of Jewish oral laws, and this is supported by the use of the phrase in Qumran Text 4QMMT.

 

[Soyeong]

The deeds of the law ... =circumcision
Blood sacrifice of bills and goats,
Observance of days and feasts.
These are the works of the law he is referring to.
Not doing righteousness..there is no law against righteousness .this one is fully justified in Doing righteousness.
Jesus set us free from bondage to sin
And unrighteousness that we might now Do rightousness .
If we do not Do so we are heaters and not doers self deceived and will perish in our sin.
A person can profess belief in Jesus from the mouth until they lay dead on the ground.. And it won't save them .
Because while thier mouth says one thing ..they do works of iniquity andcdont repent of doing so.
They are not saved..they are deceived.

There is a theme throughout the Bible that we must obey God rather than man, so we must be careful not to take something that was only against obeying man's law as being against obeying the Law of the God of the universe. It is an important distinction in that while God did require circumcision as a sign of the Abrahamic Covenant, He did not require it for the purpose of becoming saved, which means that requiring circumcision for that purpose was a man-made law, and so by rejecting something that God's Law does not require the Jerusalem Council was upholding God's Law. So we shouldn't take a rejection of man's law as being a rejection of what God commanded, such as rejecting the precious gift of His Feasts.

 

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Jn.10:27-30, the sheep will be given “eternal life” and shall never perish, neither can any man pluck them out of the hands of the Lord and the Father”.

This is talking about sheep that FOLLOW Jesus.
This is not talking about lazy sheep or sheep being dragged by their necks on leashes.

"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me." (John 10:27).

Rom.8: 35-39,Neither any things mentioned, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord

The two things not mentioned on that list in Romans 8 of the things that cannot separate a believing individual from the love of God is:

(a) The individual and
(b) Their sin.​

If you were to skip back up to Romans 8:1, it says there is no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus who WALK after the Spirit and not after the flesh.

For they that are in the flesh cannot please God (Romans 8:8).
For to be carnally minded is death (Romans 8:6).

Thus if we(saved) will not repent, we will NOT be cut off as we have the assurance of salvation but the Lord will chastise His children who do not confess the sins commited.

Chastisement is for God's children who are willing to be reformed. If a believer commits a serious sin and they do not repent, they are not saved. For the Bible clearly teaches that serious sin is separation from GOD,

[God said to Adam,]
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (Genesis 2:17).

[Eve said to the serpent,]
"But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. (Genesis 3:3).

And the serpent said unto the woman,
"Ye shall not surely die." (Genesis 3:4).

"...she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked..." (Genesis 3:6-7).

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned." (Romans 5:12).

"For the wages of sin is death..." (Romans 6:23).

"But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear." (Isaiah 59:2).

“...whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.”
(Matthew 5:22).

28 “But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.” (Matthew 5:28-30).

“But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.” (Matthew 6:15).

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” (Matthew 7:21)

Important Note: If you were to look at 1 Thessalonians 4:3 you would learn that the will of God (i.e. the Father) is to be holy or it is our sanctification; And Hebrews 12:14 says, without holiness no man shall see the Lord.

“22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’
23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’” (Matthew 7:22-23 ESV).

“26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.”
(Matthew 7:26-27).

“15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” (Matthew 7:15-20).

"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins." (Hebrews 10:26).

"he that commits sin is of the devil." (1 John 3:8).

"everyone who does evil hates the light." (John 3:20).

"Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee." (Acts 8:22).

6 "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth.
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." (1 John 1:6-7).

"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." (1 John 2:4).

"Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him." (1 John 3:15).

"He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now." (1 John 2:9).

"In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother." (1 John 3:10).

41 "The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers,
42 and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear." (Matthew 13:41-43 ESV).

"They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." (Titus 1:16).

3 "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing,..." (1 Timothy 6:3-4).

"...God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble."
(James 4:6).

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off." (Romans 11:21-22).

16 "There is a sin unto death..."
17 "...and there is a sin not unto death." (1 John 5:16-17).

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." (Revelation 21:8).

19 "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Galatians 5:19-21).

5 "Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them." (Colossians 3:5-7).

Not sure how many times the Word of God has to say it before folks actually get it. Over and over and over again the warnings are there. But a person has to ignore them in order to make their personal belief work.

As for repentance: Well, Jesus definied repentance for us by pointing us to Jonah 3:6-10 in Matthew 12:41. For Jesus essentially said the Ninevites will rise up in Judgment against this generation because they repented at the preaching of Jonah. In Jonah chapter 3 we learn that the King of the Ninevites had said to the people to:

(a) Cry out to God (repentance) and
(b) To turn from their evil and wicked ways (the natural fruit of repentance).​

We then learn that God had seen that they had turned from their wicked and evil ways, too. So it was not an empty profession of paying lip service. They actually were truly sorry over their sins by making good on their prayer towards God in turning from their evil ways.

Jesus said repent or you will perish.

Also, the Bible condemns the concept of a belief alone type salvation: For the Scriptures say, even the demons believe and tremble (James 2:19). "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." (James 2:24). "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." (James 2:17).


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[Soyeong]

Look at the context..Paul is specifically opposing those who were trying to force the New believers to“ Be circumcised “in the flesh..to Not eat certain meats etc.

The issue was that Isaiah 45:25 says that all Israel will be saved, so some Jews mistakenly though that meant that Gentiles had to become Jewish proselytes in order to become saved, which meant undergoing circumcision, and which meant joining the group of people who agreed at Sinai to do everything Moses said (Exodus 20:19, Deuteronomy 5:22-27). Moses had the authority to make interpretations for how to obey God's Law and by the 1st century those who had this authority passed down to them were referred to as sitting in Moses' seat and it had become a large body of oral laws, traditions, rulings, and fences that Jesus referred to as placing a heavy burden on the people (Matthew 23:2-4). So by agreeing to become circumcised, Gentiles were consenting to become Jewish proselytes and to live as Jews according to all of their oral laws (Galatians 5:3), and doing this all for the purpose of becoming saved. So it is a mistake to take the Jerusalem's rejection of this man-made requirement as a rejection of the holy, righteous, and good things that God commanded, such as refraining from eating unclean animals.

It is these odainces and rules that do not obtain righteousness.
But the evidence that one has ，in Christ's sacrifice，Obtained rightousness,is they begin to Do rightousness .and cease doing sin.
If they say they have obtained rightousness by faith(faith is an action) yet continue to DO sin..thay they are faking it.Gods not fooled

God's Law was never given as instructions for how to obtain righteousness in the first place, which has always been a fundamental misunderstanding of the Law, but rather it was given to those that God had already made righteous as instructions for how to therefore do what is righteous in accordance with His righteousness. God has said that His commands are for His people's own good to prosper them (Deuteronomy 6:24), so those who believe that what God said is true live by faith in God to guide us in how to rightly live by living in obedience to His commands. Every example of saving faith in Hebrews 11 is also an example of someone living in obedience to God's commands, so living by faith is always associated with the willingness to obey God's commands.

 

[Jether]

Chastisement is for God's children who are willing to be reformed. If a believer commits a serious sin and they do not repent, they are not saved. For the Bible clearly teaches that serious sin is separation from GOD,

The Bible had told us about the saved who sinned; Abram lied that Sara was not his wife; Moses disobeyed God on striking the rock; David on Bathsheba and Uriah (adultery) and putting Uriah on the frontline of the battle to die. Solomon's adultery and idolatry; Jonas' disobedient; Peter’s denials, etc, are they in hell? I don't think so. Jude 1, Ps.37:24,28;145:20 - The saved, though he fall, he shall not be utterly (totally) cast down; for the Lord upholdeth him with His hand. “For the Lord loveth judgment, and Forsaketh not His Saints; they are “Preserved Forever’’. Lk.10:20, “Names are written in Heaven”.

 

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The Bible had told us about the saved who sinned; Abram lied that Sara was not his wife; Moses disobeyed God on striking the rock; David on Bathsheba and Uriah (adultery) and putting Uriah on the frontline of the battle to die. Solomon's adultery and idolatry; Jonas' disobedient; Peter’s denials, etc, are they in hell? I don't think so. Jude 1, Ps.37:24,28;145:20 - The saved, though he fall, he shall not be utterly (totally) cast down; for the Lord upholdeth him with His hand. “For the Lord loveth judgment, and Forsaketh not His Saints; they are “Preserved Forever’’. Lk.10:20, “Names are written in Heaven”.

I am not denying that saints have not sinned before. But they had repented and restored their relationship with God again. For there is a HUGE difference between a believer who has sinned and repented versus a believer who has fallen away and they need to repent in order to get their heart right with God again (But they are refusing to do so). But make no mistake, Scripture is absolutely clear that believers can fall away from the faith. Here is a list of verses that say so.

1 Samuel 16:14
1 Samuel 31:4
Ezekiel 18:24
Hebrews 3:12-14
Hebrews 4:11
Hebrews 6:4-9
Hebrews 10:26-30
Hebrews 12:15
1 Timothy 1:18-20
1 Timothy 4:1-7
Galatians 3:1-5
2 Peter 2:20-22
2 Peter 3:17
Matthew 13:18-23
1 Corinthians 10:12
2 Thessalonians 2:3

Now, do not misunderstand me, believers cannot lose their salvation (in the sense of like how one would misplace one's car keys), but they can forfeit their salvation (i.e. they can willingly throw it away by rebelling against God). In fact,

Here is a list of believers who have forfeited their salvation:

• Saul (1 Samuel 16:14) (1 Samuel 31:4)

• Demas (2 Timothy 4:10)

• The Prodigal Son (Luke 15:11-32)

• Judas Iscariot (Psalm 41:9) (Luke 6:16) (Acts 1:25)

• Hymenaeus and Philetus (2 Timothy 2:17, 18)

• Unnamed Christians destroyed by false teaching (2 Timothy 2:17, 18)

• Many Unnamed Disciples (John 6:66)

• Some Younger Christian Widows (1 Timothy 5:14, 15)

• Some Christians Eager For Money (1 Timothy 6:8, 9, 10)

• Ananias and Sapphira (Acts 5:1-11)

• Balaam (Numbers chapters 22, 23, 24) (Numbers 31:8) (Joshua 13:22) (Jude 1:11)

And here is a list of potential fallen believers:

• The Servant Who is Not Looking For Him (Luke 12:45, 46)

• Recent Convert Who is a Potential Spiritual Leader (1 Timothy 3:6)

• The Unforgiving in Heart (Matthew 6:14, 15)

• Luke Warm Unrepentant Believer (Revelation 3:14-22)

• Fruitless Christians (John 15:1-10) (Matthew 25:14-30)

• Widows That Live in Pleasure (1 Timothy 5:5, 6)

• Believers Whose Seed Fell Upon the Rocks (Luke 8:13)

• Believers Whose Seed Was Choked by Thorns (Matthew 13:22)

• Gentile Believer Who Did Not Have on a Wedding Garment (Matthew 22:1-14) (Revelation 19:7, 8)

• The Potential Fellow Believer Who Erred From the Truth & Was Converted Back
  (James 5:19, 20)

For Jesus is the Light and we are to shine the Light of Christ within our lives. For there are those who think they can serve Jesus and also live for oneself, sin, and evil; But this is wrong, though. "For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God" (John 3:20-21).


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For example: An alcoholic who joins a drug program so as to be sober free and overcomes their sin of alcoholism is doing the right thing. Even if they were to stumble (on occasion) on their road to recovery, they are not trying to justify in doing evil. They are seeking to overcome their evil.

But the alcoholic who joins a drug program so as to please one of their loved ones and yet they have no real intention of giving up the bottle is doing the wrong thing.



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Also, the verses I mentioned in verse #206 on how they plainly show how sin can separate a person from God would be non-sensical if Eternal Security was true.


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The problem with Eternal Security or an Easy Believism Type Faith is that it contradicts basic morality. It means that you can sin and still be saved. But can God agree with a person's sin so as to save them? I do not see how God can disconnect Himself from a person's plan of salvation that says that they can sin and also be rewarded with entering His Kingdom. That doesn't make any sense to me.

Anyways, Jude 1:4 NIV warns against turning the grace of our God into a doctrine for immorality.


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The Bible had told us about the saved who sinned; Abram lied that Sara was not his wife; Moses disobeyed God on striking the rock; David on Bathsheba and Uriah (adultery) and putting Uriah on the frontline of the battle to die. Solomon's adultery and idolatry; Jonas' disobedient; Peter’s denials, etc, are they in hell? I don't think so. Jude 1, Ps.37:24,28;145:20 - The saved, though he fall, he shall not be utterly (totally) cast down; for the Lord upholdeth him with His hand. “For the Lord loveth judgment, and Forsaketh not His Saints; they are “Preserved Forever’’. Lk.10:20, “Names are written in Heaven”.

Also, the many disciples once were said to have their names written in Heaven (Luke 10:20), but later we find out that they stopped following Jesus (John 6:66).

Jesus asked his close disciples if they also wanted to leave. But Peter said, "Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life." (John 6:68).


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Also, Psalms 37 is not in support of a sin and still be saved type belief, either.
This is talking about a faithful believer who may stumble on occasion in his walk.
There is a big difference between someone who justifies living in sin and thinking they are saved versus somebody who stumbles on rare occasion in His upright walk with the Lord.

Believers must confess and forsake sin in order to be forgiven (See 1 John 1:9, 1 John 1:7, and Proverbs 28:13).



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[Alithis]

Jn.10:27-30, the sheep will be given “eternal life” and shall never perish, neither can any man pluck them out of the hands of the Lord and the Father”. Rom.8: 35-39,
Neither any things mentioned, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Thus if we(saved) will not repent, we will NOT be cut off as we have the assurance of salvation but the Lord will chastise His children who do not confess the sins commited.

One verse does not change another
If your grafted in but then are not fruitful you will be cut off..
No matter how many favorite verses you post that make you feel warm and fuzzy..you will never change the words of the Lord Jesus. And it is by HIS words we will be judged.
Jesus says you Will be cut off.
“You say “... You will Not be...

Whom shall I believe then ?
Jesus?
Or
You.

One of you are wrong.

 

[Jether]

One verse does not change another
If your grafted in but then are not fruitful you will be cut off..
No matter how many favorite verses you post that make you feel warm and fuzzy..you will never change the words of the Lord Jesus. And it is by HIS words we will be judged.
Jesus says you Will be cut off.
“You say “... You will Not be...

Whom shall I believe then ?
Jesus?
Or
You.

One of you are wrong.

Site your Bible text that the Lord Jesus said he will cut off the believers who sin and not repent. Thanks

 

[JLB777]

One verse does not change another
If your grafted in but then are not fruitful you will be cut off..
No matter how many favorite verses you post that make you feel warm and fuzzy..you will never change the words of the Lord Jesus. And it is by HIS words we will be judged.
Jesus says you Will be cut off.
“You say “... You will Not be...

Whom shall I believe then ?
Jesus?
Or
You.

One of you are wrong.

Well said!



JLB

 

[JLB777]

Site your Bible text that the Lord Jesus said he will cut off the believers who sin and not repent. Thanks

2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away;... John 15:2


Those who are "in Him", who are later removed from Him, for whatever reason, no longer have access to the eternal life within Christ Jesus.


If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6


Those who are "in Him" yet do not remain "in Him", being no longer connected in relationship to Him, will end up cast into the fire and burned.


What happens to a withered branch that is cast into a fire?



JLB

 

[Alithis]

2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away;... John 15:2


Those who are "in Him", who are later removed from Him, for whatever reason, no longer have access to the eternal life within Christ Jesus.


If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6


Those who are "in Him" yet do not remain "in Him", being no longer connected in relationship to Him, will end up cast into the fire and burned.


What happens to a withered branch that is cast into a fire?



JLB

Thanks for that..and they are but a few. Actually I almost can't believe the person asked the question.
So people only use bible verses on calanders as thier scripture source or something?
In earlier posts they assured me they had read all the bible..???
I don't think skim reading applies as “read the bible“
No one should say they read it...
But
I read it ongoingly daily studying it...
If the poster did that...then they would not be asking such a question.

 

[Jakil]

OK I'm Baptist, and I'm very confused on the question of salvation. Here are my questions:

1. Is OSAS (Once Saved, Always Saved) Biblical?

2. If a Christian refuses to spread the Gospel, are they going to hell?

3. Is it truly by faith, and not works that we are saved?

I pose these questions due to a video I saw online. Supposedly a Korean Artist had a tour of hell with Jesus, and during the tour, she said that Christians who don't share the Gospel, or don't find sharing the Gospel as important will go to hell. Is this true?

I'm sort've scared of hell right now, since I struggle with evangelism. I know I should share the Gospel, but I just have such a hard time with it.

*Sorry If I posted this in the wrong section*

For salvation you need God's grace and this grace is given through deeds.