Is it allowed for Christians to eat Doner kebab

[RDKirk]

It's amazing how controversial the Word of God is, just about every Bible verse is being debated. Please don't quote me on this statistic, but I read somewhere that most Christians will change their view several times during their lives.

I'm sure we've all heard someone say, they used to think a particular Bible passage was teaching one thing then many years later the penny drops and they understand it in a different way.

God's ways are infinitely higher than ours, so we will continue learning about Him for eternity. I used to get upset with people who held to a different view on important Bible doctrine, now I just pray for them.

I invited a friend to Church and he refused to have lunch with us, because we eat bread which contains gluten. He said gluten is unhealthy and we should take care of our temple, so he left and never came back.

I believe it's good to discuss Bible doctrine, but I worry about the "debate" word. Debate is more like a political thing, where speakers come to sell their brand of Christianity. It takes many years of diligent study, to get an overall view of Scripture, and even then folks can miss an elephant in the room.

It's sad to see leaders of various Christian denominations, attack each other and assassinate each others character. I used to support a certain ministry, until I heard the preacher accuse a whole bunch of other preachers of being heretics.

I don't believe it's right to waste time talking about others, while we could be using that time to learn about God.

Yes.

In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established. -- 2 Corinthians 13

That which scripture defines two or three times is an "indisputable matter." And, yes, even the requirement for two or three witnesses has two or three witnesses in scripture.

For instance, that Jesus was a physical, material being and not an immaterial spirit masquerading as a material being is a fact for Christians because it has multiple scriptural witnesses. that Jesus completely died on the cross and was not merely unconscious is an indisputable matter for Christians because it has multiple scriptural witnesses.

Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. -- Romans 14

Paul introduces the concept of "disputable matters." There are points within the faith that Christians can honestly debate because there are not multiple witnesses in scripture. There may not even be one witness in scripture--many times people debate issues that are only inferred from scripture.

This does not mean that there isn't truth that can be inferred from scripture, nor does it mean that an issue that appears only once in scripture isn't truth.

But it means that the Body of Christ should not fracture itself over such things. Two Christians should not part fellowship over such things.

 

[Dan1988]

Yes.

In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established. -- 2 Corinthians 13

That which scripture defines two or three times is an "indisputable matter." And, yes, even the requirement for two or three witnesses has two or three witnesses in scripture.

For instance, that Jesus was a physical, material being and not an immaterial spirit masquerading as a material being is a fact for Christians because it has multiple scriptural witnesses. that Jesus completely died on the cross and was not merely unconscious is an indisputable matter for Christians because it has multiple scriptural witnesses.

Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. -- Romans 14

Paul introduces the concept of "disputable matters." There are points within the faith that Christians can honestly debate because there are not multiple witnesses in scripture. There may not even be one witness in scripture--many times people debate issues that are only inferred from scripture.

This does not mean that there isn't truth that can be inferred from scripture, nor does it mean that an issue that appears only once in scripture isn't truth.

But it means that the Body of Christ should not fracture itself over such things. Two Christians should not part fellowship over such things.

I've been meaning to ask my pastor about the things that unite and separate Christians.
I know that there are certain things which we shouldn't take part in, but I don't know exactly what they are. I take your point on food but I'd like to know if there's a list of things that I shouldn't take part in.

My wife is a Catholic, and we went to a wedding about 4 months ago. I told her that I'd stay in the car during the Church ceremony but she insisted that I go in with her. I went in there but I didn't do any of their rituals like making the sign of the cross or praying their prayers.

The Catholics do believe in the same God, but they add a lot of works to the gospel and they pray to Saints so those things are clear red flags. I'm concerned about those less obvious, subtle things.

I was attending a Bible study at a friends house, he's an SDA and it took me around 3 months to realize that they don't believe that Jesus is eternal. They believe He had a beginning, so I had to leave their company.

 

[splish- splash]

I really do wonder myself. How it is ok to eat halal meat, if it will have been prayed for?

 

[Carl Emerson]

I really do wonder myself. How it is ok to eat halal meat, if it will have been prayed for?

All food is sanctified by the Word of God and prayer...

Say Grace and eat with confidence.

 

[RDKirk]

I was attending a Bible study at a friends house, he's an SDA and it took me around 3 months to realize that they don't believe that Jesus is eternal. They believe He had a beginning, so I had to leave their company.

I don't know what they believe in that regard--or more specifically, how they believe it.

But I can see an argument that Jesus--the incarnation of the Son-- is not eternal (although now immortal, which is not the same thing as eternal), but the Son Himself is. The event spoken of by Paul in Philippians 2 occurred in a moment in time. But I don't know if that's the SDA reasoning at all.

 

[Dan1988]

I don't know what they believe in that regard--or more specifically, how they believe it.

But I can see an argument that Jesus--the incarnation of the Son-- is not eternal (although now immortal, which is not the same thing as eternal), but the Son Himself is. The event spoken of by Paul in Philippians 2 occurred in a moment in time. But I don't know if that's the SDA reasoning at all.

Jesus created everything that exists, since He is Jehovah God the creator of all things. He never ceased being God, even as a baby. He came into the world as a human but He didn't use His God power to purchase atonement for His people, so he suffered pain and temptation as an ordinary man.
The SDA's and JW's don't believe that Jesus is Jehovah God, they believe He was created at a point in time but the Bible clearly teaches that He is God the creator of everything that exists.

 

[ozso]

When I first read Doner Kebab I saw "Donner" Kebab and thought the topic was cannibalism.

After reading about what it really is, I saw a warning that Doner Kebab is quite high in trans-fat. So I would only eat one very occasionally.

 

[RDKirk]

Jesus created everything that exists, since He is Jehovah God the creator of all things. He never ceased being God, even as a baby. He came into the world as a human but He didn't use His God power to purchase atonement for His people, so he suffered pain and temptation as an ordinary man.
The SDA's and JW's don't believe that Jesus is Jehovah God, they believe He was created at a point in time but the Bible clearly teaches that He is God the creator of everything that exists.

I said "Philippians 2" which was a brain burp. I mean Colossians 1:

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

Notice that Paul specifically said "the Son," not "Jesus." The physical body which was created within the human woman Mary had not yet been created by the Son for His incarnation.