IS ISRAEL IN THE NEW COVENANT GOD'S CHURCH?

[prophecy_uk]

Leavened: "brother, many Jews and Gentiles have came to Christ and accepted him as their saviour after Paul and other Christians witnessed to the Gentiles. The gospel is being spread today all around the globe,"


God cant lie, man cant tell the truth.

Israel was blinded, concluded in unbelief..


Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Romans 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

 

[Guojing]

Leavened: "brother, many Jews and Gentiles have came to Christ and accepted him as their saviour after Paul and other Christians witnessed to the Gentiles. The gospel is being spread today all around the globe,"


God cant lie, man cant tell the truth.

Israel was blinded, concluded in unbelief..


Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Romans 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Most Christians don't distinguish between national Israel and individual Jews, so they won't be able to understand what you are trying to say above.

To them these 2 terms are synonyms.

 

[prophecy_uk]

Most Christians don't distinguish between national Israel and individual Jews, so they won't be able to understand what you are trying to say above.

To them these 2 terms are synonyms.

Guojing, I did notice you having that better understanding.

Are you a member of a particular church ( that most Christians belong to) or that is not your way ? ( It is not my way)

 

[Guojing]

Guojing, I did notice you having that better understanding.

Are you a member of a particular church ( that most Christians belong to) or that is not your way ? ( It is not my way)

I am a mid acts dispensationalist, so we make it our main doctrine to distinguish between the nation Israel, and the Body of Christ.

 

[prophecy_uk]

I am a mid acts dispensationalist, so we make it our main doctrine to distinguish between the nation Israel, and the Body of Christ.

But I am not a member of any, and it is easy for me then, to understand your main doctrine, and the main doctrine of every divided Body of Christ in their doctrines they uphold as their main.

But when something is not divided ( the Body of Christ) it is whole, and complete, and does not need to defend its main doctrine, it instead defends the Gospel of Christ.

 

[Leavened yet Adopted]

God cant lie, man cant tell the truth.

Israel was blinded, concluded in unbelief..


Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Romans 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

keep on believing brother, until the last Jew and Gentile are saved Christ won't return. Not one jot or tittle will pass from the law (which convicts men of sin) until heaven and earth pass away.

God's out stretching hand is always there, don't cut of peoples, nations, tribes, cultures because of eschatology. God wants to save all his people in the world, we don't know who they are.

God Bless,

 

[LoveGodsWord]

keep on believing brother, until the last Jew and Gentile are saved Christ won't return.

God Bless,

Trouble is that statement is not supported in scripture. Matthew 7:21, Not every one that says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven.

 

[Leavened yet Adopted]

Trouble is that statement is not supported in scripture. Matthew 7:21, Not every one that says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven.

well, its best to read that verse in context, like all scripture. We aren't all called to be ministers, but we're called to be witnesses for Christ. Only God knows what drives the heart of a man, is it selfishness/pride/ambition or is it to see the lost being saved or the backslider return to Christ. Help the weak in faith/health or rebuke the proud so Christ may humble them.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

well, its best to read that verse in context, like all scripture. We aren't all called to be ministers, but we're called to be witnesses for Christ. Only God knows what drives the heart of a man, is it selfishness/pride/ambition or is it to see the lost being saved or the backslider return to Christ.

The context does not change the meaning of Matthew 7:21 now does it? If so how does the context change the meaning of the scripture shared with you? - It doesn't. It is amusing when people cry context once scripture is provided then when asked to show how context changes scripture meaning all that is heard is silence. That of course does not means context cannot change scripture meaning because it can. For me I like to look at both and context does not change the meaning of Matthew 7:21 shared with you earlier in opposition to your claims that everyone will be saved.

 

[prophecy_uk]

Israel is the original people, the Hebrews, taken out of Egypt, and given laws to have a covenant with God.


That covenant failed, as where no Spirit is, there is no life, only men saving their own lives.


Jesus died, to bring us to God, so you know everyone who has that conscience, and you know everyone who has no such conscience, and those who teach law teach the law breaking they do.

 

[Leavened yet Adopted]

Jeremiah 31:33

 

[LoveGodsWord]

WHO IS GOD'S ISRAEL IN THE NEW COVENANT?

As shown in the OP, in the new covenant God's true Israel is no longer only those born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham who have faith in Christ *Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:28-29 and Romans 2:28-29 but are now all those who through faith have been born of the Spirit *John 3:3-7; 1 John 3:6-9 into God's new covenant promise (Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27). Unbelieving Israel in the flesh of the seed of Abraham according to the scriptures have been cut out of Gods true Israel for rejecting Christ as the promised Messiah under the new covenant (see Romans 11:15-21). According to the scripture all believers are now one in Christ *Ephesians 2:11-13; Colossians 3:11; Romans 10:11-13 and are a part of God's true Israel according to the new covenant scriptures. Gentile believers are now grafted in *Romans 11:13-27. Therefore if we are not a part of God's true Israel grafted in by faith in the new covenant, we have no part in God's new covenant promise which was only ever given to God's Israel who are now all those who believe and follow what Gods' Word says. God never made a covenant with gentiles according to the scriptures (see Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27). Gods' true Israel therefore under the new covenant promise are now all those who through faith through faith in Christ who have been born again and set free to walk in Gods Spirit to believe and follow what Gods' Word says (see Romans 8:1-4; Galatians 5:16 and 1 John 3:6-10).

God bless

 

[prophecy_uk]

Repeating means just that, repetitive broken symbols.


Gods Israel is through faith, as through law death came on all and comes on all.


Hence why nothing shows faith as law, as the Spirit of life in Christ has set us free from the law of sin and death ( the law of faithlessness)


We cant be brought back under bondage to law, it is a funny attempt isn't it.



Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.


Galatians 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Repeating means just that, repetitive broken symbols.

Then if it is a problem for you it is best you do not do it. The scriptures your posting are not relevant to the conversation or the OP here.

 

[prophecy_uk]

Then if it is a problem for you it is best you do not do it. The scriptures your posting are not relevant to the conversation or the OP here.

Speaking about yourself again, or do you think you have authority to speak about someone else.


Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Romans 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.




Gods church is of liberty and faith, the church that Israel was ( and is) is of set laws and men trying to decide for us ( they are ALL silenced from that)

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Speaking about yourself again, or do you think you have authority to speak about someone else.

No not at all. Just being helpful responding to your post.

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Romans 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.

This has what to do with the OP and what your quoting from? - Nothing. Romans 14 has nothing to do with the OP or the Sabbath or anyone of God's 10 commandments. It is talking about eating and not eating on days that men esteem over other days and judging others in this regard. It is not talking about what days God esteems over other days. The things that men esteem according to the scriptures is an abomination with God according to Luke 16:15

Gods church is of liberty and faith, the church that Israel was ( and is) is of set laws and men trying to decide for us ( they are ALL silenced from that)

According to the scriptures God's Israel (the Church) are all those who believe and follow Gods' Word through faith (scripture support here)

Take Care.

 

[bbbbbbb]

No not at all. Just being helpful responding to your post.

This has what to do with the OP and what your quoting from? - Nothing. Romans 14 has nothing to do with the OP or the Sabbath or anyone of God's 10 commandments. It is talking about eating and not eating on days that men esteem over other days and judging others in this regard. It is not talking about what days God esteems over other days. The things that men esteem according to the scriptures is an abomination with God according to Luke 16:15


According to the scriptures God's Israel (the Church) are all those who believe and follow Gods' Word through faith (scripture support here)

Take Care.

Have you ever considered what it actually means to "believe and follow Gods' Word through faith"?

 

[Fervent]

It depends on what you mean by Israel. If you mean the nation under the Old Covenant, no the church is not a nation and the nation is not a church. Here, the nation of Israel was the governmental structures under which God's people were to live. This system set one over another through judges, priests, and kings. The church, on the other hand, does not have one over another in such a fashion as even our pastors/priests are subject to the same authorities as every other member in the church. If by Israel you mean God's people, well, yes. Gentiles were grafted into the tree, the tree did not change. Israel remains Israel, the church exists within Israel.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

It depends on what you mean by Israel. If you mean the nation under the Old Covenant, no the church is not a nation and the nation is not a church. Here, the nation of Israel was the governmental structures under which God's people were to live. This system set one over another through judges, priests, and kings. The church, on the other hand, does not have one over another in such a fashion as even our pastors/priests are subject to the same authorities as every other member in the church. If by Israel you mean God's people, well, yes. Gentiles were grafted into the tree, the tree did not change. Israel remains Israel, the church exists within Israel.

Hi Fervent, yes application is to new covenant Israel not old covenant as we are in the new covenant now. Thanks for sharing this.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Hi Fervent, yes application is to new covenant Israel not old covenant as we are in the new covenant now. Thanks for sharing this.

Out of curiosity, how new is the New Covenant?