Is homosexuality a sin?

[Zaac]

My understanding of Scripture is that same sex sex is a sin, I don't believe the Scriptures address orientation. I don't personally believe that having homosexual desire (orientation) is sinful.

Well said. God speaks against the ACT not the orientation. Every sin is an act.

 

[Zaac]

Yes it is, the Bible says that not quoting at all, The bible says that it should be one man and one woman no other way. Amen period Amen

 

[KarateCowboy]

My understanding of Scripture is that same sex sex is a sin, I don't believe the Scriptures address orientation. I don't personally believe that having homosexual desire (orientation) is sinful.

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To be accurate it's not actually sex. Sex, in biology, means "male + female".

 

[Archaeopteryx]

You want to make believe that homosexuality is normal, okay. You can do that, but at the end of the day, it is still make believe. Me personally, I'd rather have a unicorn. Or were you meaning that homosexuality has become something other than what homosexuality was . .. . between the 1950's and now? Has the term fundamentally changed in meaning? Is an apple now a brown skinned tubar that is cut into strips, fried and often served next to burgers or fish?

Even if homosexuality is statistically abnormal... so what? High IQ is also 'abnormal', doesn't mean it's bad.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Yes it is, the Bible says that not quoting at all, The bible says that it should be one man and one woman no other way. Amen period Amen

The Bible says a lot of things that we don't do anymore... like stoning people. Should we return to that too?

 

[Hakan101]

The Bible says a lot of things that we don't do anymore... like stoning people. Should we return to that too?

At that point in time Stoning was the just thing to do, for the wages of sin is death. Do you think after Christ died for our sins we still need to put sinners to death?

 

[Polycarp1]

At that point in time Stoning was the just thing to do, for the wages of sin is death. Do you think after Christ died for our sins we still need to put sinners to death?

Okay. As a Christian you certainly accept our Lord's teaching in the seventh chapter of the Gospel According to Matthew, and there are more than a few people around here who believe they are now without sin. Where would you like your stoning to take place?

 

[onemorequestion]

Okay. As a Christian you certainly accept our Lord's teaching in the seventh chapter of the Gospel According to Matthew, and there are more than a few people around here who believe they are now without sin. Where would you like your stoning to take place?

How do snappy sarcastic comebacks alter the definition of marriage in Christian truth?

Doesn't the mocking and distasteful snarky banter directed at Christians that see marriage the way Jesus did, from those that are supporting an altered view of it, just prove the idea that Sodomites were not all just homosexuals?

 

[Merlin]

I don't see how it can be with all the openly homosexual church leaders we seem to have these days.

''law'' Leviticus 20: 13 If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable.


1 John 3: 4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 

 

[selfinflikted]

To be accurate it's not actually sex. Sex, in biology, means "male + female".

Although there is no gene swapping occuring, trust me, it is sex.

 

[Jase]

How do snappy sarcastic comebacks alter the definition of marriage in Christian truth?

What is this "Christian truth" you speak of? 35,000 groups of Christians claim to have such truth. Which one should I be following?

 

[Jase]

''law'' Leviticus 20: 13 If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable.




This verse does not say what you think it says.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

How do snappy sarcastic comebacks alter the definition of marriage in Christian truth?

Doesn't the mocking and distasteful snarky banter directed at Christians that see marriage the way Jesus did, from those that are supporting an altered view of it, just prove the idea that Sodomites were not all just homosexuals?

The definition of marriage has already been altered, multiple times. If we change it now it wouldn' have been the first time that we've changed it in history. Indeed, what we currently take to mean 'marriage' is very different from what our ancestors regarded as marriage.

 

[Merlin]

This verse does not say what you think it says.

nice mindreading

 

[Merlin]

So you think the original language of the Bible is English?

no,
hebrew

 

[Maren]

no,
hebrew

Agreed. Just was wondering since Zaac claimed, "You read the words on the page and immediately do like the devil did with Eve:

"did God REALLY say that" ?", it appeared he was implying that the Bible was originally written in English or (at a minimum) there has never been any dispute over how to translate these verses among Biblical scholars. His comment made me wonder why there are something like 100 different English translations, where the "words on the page" differ between each version?

 

[Merlin]

Agreed. Just was wondering since Zaac claimed, "You read the words on the page and immediately do like the devil did with Eve:

"did God REALLY say that" ?", it appeared he was implying that the Bible was originally written in English or (at a minimum) there has never been any dispute over how to translate these verses among Biblical scholars. His comment made me wonder why there are something like 100 different English translations, where the "words on the page" differ between each version?

and the differences for this verse were?

 

[FlamingFemme]

and the differences for this verse were?

This has been discussed ad nauseum elsewhere on the site, but the long and short of it is: The Hebrew word translated as 'to lie with' in this particular verse is used everywhere else in the Bible as a word to mean coerced sex, i.e. rape. So it would appear that the original intent of this verse was to condemn coerced sex with men, as this was not permitted the way it was permitted with one's wife.

 

[Merlin]

This has been discussed ad nauseum elsewhere on the site, but the long and short of it is: The Hebrew word translated as 'to lie with' in this particular verse is used everywhere else in the Bible as a word to mean coerced sex, i.e. rape. So it would appear that the original intent of this verse was to condemn coerced sex with men, as this was not permitted the way it was permitted with one's wife.

such as
gen 30 16
lev 15.18 or
lev 15.24

 

[Merlin]

But doesn't translation sometimes change meaning?

Example:
John 21
15When they had finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon son of John, do you truly love me more than these?”

“Yes, Lord,” he said, “you know that I love you.”

Jesus said, “Feed my lambs.”

16Again Jesus said, “Simon son of John, do you truly love me?”

He answered, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.”

Jesus said, “Take care of my sheep.”

17The third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?”

Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.”

Jesus said, “Feed my sheep. 18I tell you the truth, when you were younger you dressed yourself and went where you wanted; but when you are old you will stretch out your hands, and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go.” 19Jesus said this to indicate the kind of death by which Peter would glorify God. Then he said to him, “Follow me!”


To an English reader, Jesus keeps repeating, "Do you love me?" and the disciples keep answering, "Yes, I love you."

But that is not what was asked in the original translation.

Jesus asked, Do you AGAPE (love me with a sacrificial love)?
Simon replied, Yes, I PHILEO (love you like a brother or friend).

Thus, "it doesn't say what it says" because this is completely different. The disciples are asked if demonstrated AGAPE for Christ, and can only admit to the love of a friend.

In English, Christ simply asks if they love him, and they say yes. That's not what that passage says. Thus, it means more than "saying what it says."

we're discussing lev 20. וְ
וְאִ֗ישׁ אֲשֶׁ֨ר יִשְׁכַּ֤ב אֶת־זָכָר֙ מִשְׁכְּבֵ֣י אִשָּׁ֔ה תֹּועֵבָ֥ה עָשׂ֖וּ שְׁנֵיהֶ֑ם מֹ֥ות יוּמָ֖תוּ דְּמֵיהֶ֥ם בָּֽם׃