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Is homosexuality a sin?

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Zaac

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Yes. If we *really* asked god to make us heterosexual he would. Baloney.

Why would you ask God to make you a heterosexual? You have a lust problem that would not go away just because you became a heterosexual. Heterosexuals lust too.

I tried that for years, and nothing happened. You can say that we secretly didn't want to change, didn't pray hard enough, or whatever else.. but I can tell you right here and now that you're wrong.

Self you now identify as an atheist. Who were you praying to all that time? Contrary to the misguided notion of many on this board, folks don't go from saved to unsaved to saved to unsaved.

You were praying though because God has written His truth on your heart. Deep down in those secret recesses you still question if you're doing the right thing and whatif what those crazy Christians keep saying is the truth?

He is calling YOU because He wants a relationship with YOU. :angel:
 
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Why would you ask God to make you a heterosexual? You have a lust problem that would not go away just because you became a heterosexual. Heterosexuals lust too.
So being gay means you can't love? It's just lust? How arrogant of you.
 
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Why would you ask God to make you a heterosexual? You have a lust problem that would not go away just because you became a heterosexual. Heterosexuals lust too.

I don't have a lust problem. :)

Also, I poorly worded that - what I should have said was "prayed for god to take away the 'gay'."

Self you now identify as an atheist. Who were you praying to all that time? Contrary to the misguided notion of many on this board, folks don't go from saved to unsaved to saved to unsaved.

I was a christian for over half of my life. I was praying to the god of the bible.

You were praying though because God has written His truth on your heart. Deep down in those secret recesses you still question if you're doing the right thing and whatif what those crazy Christians keep saying is the truth?

He is calling YOU because He wants a relationship with YOU. :angel:

I was praying because I thought that homosexuality was wrong and was something that needed to be taken from me by god. I no longer believe that way. :thumbsup:
 
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How arrogant of you to assume I said something I did not. I can say what I intend to say. I don't need you to make up stuff that I DID NOT say. ^_^

"You have a lust problem that would not go away"

Assuming because he is gay it is lust. Your turn oh preacher of hate.
 
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I don't have a lust problem. :)

You're in a self-admitted, same-sex, sexual relationship(try saying that three times in a row ^_^ ). Biblically(yes I know before you even comment) you have a lust issue.

Also, I poorly worded that - what I should have said was "prayed for god to take away the 'gay'."

Why?


I was a christian for over half of my life. I was praying to the god of the bible.

I don't know how many atheists I have heard saying that. the God in whom you say you were praying is a God of Order. He does not author confusion by changing.

He is always the same.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is called the "GOOD NEWS" because once you are saved by HIM, it is FINISHED. No one or no thing can take that away.

Can you imagine how confused people would be if Christians were going around saying that "we bring you the GOOD NEWS of salvation through Jesus Christ but oh yeah, you can lose it or give it back or do something to have it taken away".

That would not be GOOD NEWS nor worth the time of sharing with the world.

Once Jesus Christ saves it is forever. Your mama and daddy can't buy it for you.
Your grandparents can't leave it to you as an inheritance.
And you can't work hard and get it from Macy's.

It is the gift of God so that no man can boast that he saved himself. So if Jesus Christ saved you, it has not gone anywhere. A lot of folks who say what you are saying never were and that's why they are not now.


I was praying because I thought that homosexuality was wrong and was something that needed to be taken from me by god. I no longer believe that way. :thumbsup:

I would repeat what I said before about what's in and on YOUR heart.
 
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"You have a lust problem that would not go away"

Assuming because he is gay it is lust.

KNOWING that because he is in an admitted, same sex, sexual relationship that is outside the parameters that God has set for sex to be had is not assuming lust. That's BIBLICAL lust.

Your turn oh preacher of hate

^_^ You can save the hate stuff for someone who is moved by the silliness. Honestly when folks on here have nothing worthwhile to say, they immediately start with the "oh you are hateful and bigoted" mess.

I love Selfinflikted .

But the funky ways and manipulative ways of serephim01 disgust me.:thumbsup:
 
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KNOWING that because he is in an admitted, same sex, sexual relationship that is outside the parameters that God has set for sex to be had is not assuming lust. That's BIBLICAL lust.



^_^ You can save the hate stuff for someone who is moved by the silliness. Honestly when folks on here have nothing worthwhile to say, they immediately start with the "oh you are hateful and bogoted" mess.

I love Selfinflikted .

But the funky ways and manipulative ways of serephim01 disgust me.:thumbsup:

Manipulative has nothing to do with it, I've just been jaded to these forums ways. However being here gives me the opportunity to help those who are hurting with the issues if they so need. See I was not offered that when I was here, the time in which I was most vulnerable I was treated as a monster and I almost killed myself because the so called christians here treated me so badly and banned my alternate account for being what else? Gay and unrepentant. The advice given here is much like that of WBC. Hateful and extremely detrimental to those who are conflicted with these so called evil lusts.

So if manipulative is what you wish to call it, fine I call it being jaded. Even now I'm still suicidal yet I have some kind of reason to live, you can look up my older post if you wish to learn more but I highly doubt you care much like the rest of the good ol christians here. Just another clique for the religious. However I will stay here as a counterbalance to the horrible advice I've seen here regarding this. You cannot repress this without causing harm to yourself. Or harming yourself.

However as "manipulative" as I am. I will still pray you don't cause the person who is GLBTQ who comes here for help to commit suicide. You guys almost did me in half a year ago so I won't let you do the same to more.
 
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Manipulative has nothing to do with it, I've just been jaded to these forums ways.

I don't know who has jaded you, but I know you haven't seen me express an iota of hate for anyone.^_^

However being here gives me the opportunity to help those who are hurting with the issues if they so need. See I was not offered that when I was here, the time in which I was most vulnerable I was treated as a monster and I almost killed myself because the so called christians here treated me so badly and banned my alternate account for being what else? Gay and unrepentant. The advice given here is much like that of WBC. Hateful and extremely detrimental to those who are conflicted with these so called evil lusts.

Its interesting that you say that because I just commented on that very same behavior to Selffinflikted. It really needs to stop. Yes unrepentant homosexual sex will send someone to hell. But so will unrepentant lying and wanting someone else's stuff and cheating on your taxes and on and on and on.

The point of making this known is so that EVERY PERSON sees that we are ALL sinners with too many sins that we don't even know are sins to deal with. The ONLY HOPE any of us have of eternal peace and happiness is the forgivng glory of Jesus Christ.

So if manipulative is what you wish to call it, fine I call it being jaded. Even now I'm still suicidal yet I have some kind of reason to live, you can look up my older post if you wish to learn more but I highly doubt you care much like the rest of the good ol christians here.

I will look. Just don't you do anything foolish because folks have treated you poorly. The LAW as given in God's word will break your heart to the fact that you are indeed a sinner. But the Gospel of JESUS CHRIST will heal that brokeness and let you in on a secret that God has made a way for us to know His complete love in spite of our failures and sin.:clap:


However as "manipulative" as I am. I will still pray you don't cause the person who is GLBTQ who comes here for help to commit suicide. You guys almost did me in half a year ago so I won't let you do the same to more.

Seriously, if it ever gets that bad and you're feeling beat up on, give me a holler. :thumbsup: :groupray:
 
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You're in a self-admitted, same-sex, sexual relationship(try saying that three times in a row ^_^ ). Biblically(yes I know before you even comment) you have a lust issue.

I do not try to live my life according to the Bible. I know what lust is, as I've experienced it before. I also know what love is, because I've been there before as well. The Bible may or may not say I have a lust issue, but I assure you I do not.


Well, I did ask god to take away my homosexuality. He never did. People say that god can do miracles, and heal the sick (assuming, just for the sake of argument, that I'm sick), but he never did.

I don't know how many atheists I have heard saying that. the God in whom you say you were praying is a God of Order. He does not author confusion by changing.

He is always the same.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is called the "GOOD NEWS" because once you are saved by HIM, it is FINISHED. No one or no thing can take that away.

Can you imagine how confused people would be if Christians were going around saying that "we bring you the GOOD NEWS of salvation through Jesus Christ but oh yeah, you can lose it or give it back or do something to have it taken away".

That would not be GOOD NEWS nor worth the time of sharing with the world.

Once Jesus Christ saves it is forever. Your mama and daddy can't buy it for you.
Your grandparents can't leave it to you as an inheritance.
And you can't work hard and get it from Macy's.

It is the gift of God so that no man can boast that he saved himself. So if Jesus Christ saved you, it has not gone anywhere. A lot of folks who say what you are saying never were and that's why they are not now.




I would repeat what I said before about what's in and on YOUR heart.

Well, if there is a god, and I was once saved, then indeed, I am still saved. Though, I do not believe that there is a god.
 
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I don't know who has jaded you, but I know you haven't seen me express an iota of hate for anyone.^_^



Its interesting that you say that because I just commented on that very same behavior to Selffinflikted. It really needs to stop. Yes unrepentant homosexual sex will send someone to hell. But so will unrepentant lying and wanting someone else's stuff and cheating on your taxes and on and on and on.

The point of making this known is so that EVERY PERSON sees that we are ALL sinners with too many sins that we don't even know are sins to deal with. The ONLY HOPE any of us have of eternal peace and happiness is the forgivng glory of Jesus Christ.



I will look. Just don't you do anything foolish because folks have treated you poorly. The LAW as given in God's word will break your heart to the fact that you are indeed a sinner. But the Gospel of JESUS CHRIST will heal that brokeness and let you in on a secret that God has made a way for us to know His complete love in spite of our failures and sin.:clap:




Seriously, if it ever gets that bad and you're feeling beat up on, give me a holler. :thumbsup: :groupray:

Alright I'll just agree to disagree because you don't seem like a bad person but I do not believe for a second that being in love with another consenting adult is hell worthy. As long as you accept Christ. However I would love to believe that being a good person is enough. I try not to think about Hell as I am living it each and everyday it seems. So I try to focus on helping those who are like me and do not know where to turn. Specifically I am transgendered, not on hormone replacement therapy but seeking it. The hate I have seen on the internet regarding us is sad because it shows the hidden side of people. Also unlike being gay this is not something that you can hide if needed(workplace and out and about wise I mean). Not that you should have to. I'm not saying our issues are worse than gays/lesbians. No in fact we are quite in the same boat. However there is a 30% suicide rate among us and that is quite frightening. Most will have had a suicide attempt by the age of 20, I've had numerous, my friends more probably. I digress because this is not really the point of the thread and I do apologize for derailing, however I hate hate hate hate seeing the amount of ignorance towards us and bigotry because we are "icky" (glbtq) we all are in this together.

Please people just try and love one another. It's hard but we need to strive for peace.:wave:

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St. Paul was talking about marriage. He would never ever justify gay unions as a way to solve the passion problem.

What is the specific basis of you making this claim? Where did Paul indicate that he would "never ever justify" marriage, even same-sex marriage, as the prophylactic for Passion. As I said, my basis for claiming that he would is found in 1 Corinthians 7:1-9, especially when considered along with the promise in 1 Corinthians 10:13.

Secondly homosexuality is more a issue of lust, than it is of passion.

I agree that Paul was not speaking about "passion" as many people today use the word, but about the sin of Passion, which includes inappropriate sexual lust, but also other carnal lusts such as gluttony and greed. But he did not automatically associate "homosexuality" with this sin, as can be seen in Romans 1:26-27, where he took one of Plato's examples of unbridled Passion, and carefully emphasized the fact that it was describing the sin of uncontrolled Passion, and just as carefully distanced the sin from the embedded ethnic/gay joke.

Lastly there are some things in this world that we have to bear patiently with fortitude, temperance, diligence, and chastity.

Again I agree.

But throughout the Scriptures we are warned against making vows and promises that we may not be able to keep, because God takes the making of these vows very seriously. (See Leviticus 5:4; Numbers 30:2; Ecclesiastes 5:4-5; Ezekiel 16:59; Matthew 5:33-37; James 5:12 -- and when the spies promised to keep Rahab and her household safe during the sacking of Jericho, they made their promise conditional because they did not want to be forsworn if the promise could not, for whatever reason, be kept exactly as agreed [Joshua 2]).

Many Protestants, starting with Martin Luther, feel that it was wrong for the Catholic Church to declare that priests and those in religious orders had to vow chastity. It was insisting that they make a promise they might not be able to keep. But at least those that are called to serve in this way have a choice. If they do not feel they can keep such a vow, they can choose not to join the order and to marry instead. Indeed, some religious orders have branches that admit "lay" brothers and sisters, who have not taken all the vows.

But what of gays? They cannot choose not to join their "order." Nor, according to many churches, is the alternative of marriage available (at least not a marriage that can help bridle their particular form of Passion).

And yet, before many churches accept them as "true Christians," they insist that the gay Christian assure them that he will live celibate life. Otherwise, they claim that he is "unrepentant." And what is this assurance if not an oath or promise? Rather than building him up as a brother in Christ, they are setting him up for failure and condemnation, if he cannot keep the vow.
 
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