Is following the 10 commandments required for salvation?

davidcrosby said:

Multiple times Jesus called the Scribes and Pharisees hypocrites, and even threw in a viper or two because they totally missed the reviling essence of His being - as the Scribes and Pharisees (as many still do today) made the Law their god instead of God their law.

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Jesus criticized the Pharisees for setting aside the commands of God to follow their own traditions (Mark 7:6-8), so it is important not mistake a criticism of the way that man has perverted God's law as being a criticism of God's law.

Tree of Life said:

Here's where the gospel is compromised. According to the gospel I am reckoned as righteous without actually being righteous because I have the righteousness of Christ. I can do nothing to add to his perfect righteousness which is given to me.

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Being counted as righteous without being obedient is not the same thing as being counted as obedient without being obedient, but rather it is being counted as someone who practices obedience or righteousness (1 John 3:10). Obedience to God's instructions for how to practice righteousness has never been about adding to our own righteousness or about being righteous enough, but rather it is about what we are to do by faith because we have been declared righteous by faith. In the same way that a lawyer is someone who practices law, someone who is declared to be righteous is declared to be someone who practices righteousness. To paraphrase Ephesians 2:8-10, we are declared righteous by grace through faith, not by practicing righteousness, but rather we are made new creations in Christ for the purpose of practicing righteousness by grace through faith. We have been set free from sin in order to be free to become slaves of obedience leading to righteousness and slaves of righteousness leading to sanctification (Romans 6:15-19).

yeshuaslavejeff said:

AMEIN. Do you remember where it is written
something like this: After your obedience is perfect, then we will be ready to
< chastise | correct | discipline > any and every dis-obedience
at once as soon as it appears.
(referring to those called and chosen by YHWH, immersed in Y'SHUA'S NAME, set apart by YHWH, born again ones, living and abiding in union NOW TODAY WITH Y'SHUA and YHWH )

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I think you are referring to 2 Corinthians 10:6.

Soyeong said:

I think you are referring to 2 Corinthians 10:6.

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COOL! YES! Thank you.

Is following the 10 commandments required for salvation?

ronandcarol

ronandcarol said:

Is following the 10 commandments required for salvation?

God didn't call them the 10 Suggestions!​

ronandcarol

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Not only are the 10 Commandments not a part of our salvation........we could not keep them even if our salvation depended on keeping them.

Everyone should tank God that we are saved by GRACE through FAITH and not works because there is no way anyone would ever be saved.

The reason we do good works is because we are saved, not to get saved and not to keep ourselves saved.

Jim Langston said:

I never claimed we need to follow the ten commandments without faith. For I read the bible with "and"s, not "but"s. Jesus said to follow the ten commandments and we are not saved by works but by faith and we have to believe in Jesus and we must repent and ...

This seems to be opposite how some people seem to read the bible. Jesus said to follow the ten commandments [/b]but[/b] we are saved by grace not works... Then an apparent contradiction pops up. Jesus said to follow the ten commandments but over here it says we're saved by grace, not works.

Reading as and it is up to me, the reader, to understand that I am required to follow the ten commandments but that is not what saves me. Jesus' grace saves me because I put my faith in him and follow his word.

There have been of couple people who claim that we are not required to follow the ten commandments. I ask then what Jesus meant and they don't reply for the simple reason they can't. Jesus said "do not kill", "do not steal", "do not lie" when asked how to get to heaven. If you go back and read everyone who claims that we are not required to follow the ten commandments you should notice they do not address the scripture in the original post. They are interpreting the bible with buts and not ands.

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Actually Jesus said that we get to heaven by..........

John 3:8.........
"Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

Jim Langston said:

Actually, if you read all the accounts Jesus dod not say it wasn't enough but if you would be perfect.

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Actually I did read all of the accounts.
Y'SHUA is consistent, not wishy washy.
He told the other disciples the same thing.
In fact, they were so astonished,
flabbergasted,
they cried "WHO THEN can be saved?"("HOW CAN WE - your disciples with you , following you - be saved?" )

It is enlightening to read, but scary for many people - remember most people do not follow Y'SHUA. They reject HIM.
And most of HIS OWN disciples left HIM when HIS WORD got too hard for them. HE DID NOT GO AFTER THEM, NOR TRY TO GET THEM BACK - HE LET THEM GO.

Jim Langston said:

I do not see not killing as a good work, rather I see it as not doing a bad work. I do not see not lying as doing a good work, rather I see it as not doing a bad work. I do not see not sleeping with my neighbor's wife as doing a good work, rather I see it as not doing a bad work.

All of the 10 commandments, with the exception of keeping the sabbath day holy, are not thongs we are to do, rather they are things we are not to do. And since we are saved by faith, not works, I believe that is why Jesus didn't tell the man who asked to keep the seventh day holy, that was works and fell under the old covenant not the new one.

Now, it seems that people are saying we don't have to follow the ten commandments because we are not perfect. We are told when we sin to ask God for forgiveness. God, and everyone, knows we are not perfect. Just because we can't perfectly do something os no excuse for not doing it.

So, to address your points. Keeping the commandments os not works, rather it is abstaining from bad works. Just because we are not perfect is no excuse to ignore Jesus when he said "do not kill", "do not steal", "do not covet", etc...

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Maybe you misunderstood me. I was under the impression that you were saying "good works" were necessary in order to be saved/stay saved.
To that I am saying NO. Should we try to keep those commandments???? Absolutly YES we should.
But can we.....NO!

So then we can not keep the law in order to be saved, but we can strive to keep the law because we are saved, but keeping the commandments does not keep us saved. It makes us a better person because we are not killing people or lieing to people or stealing from people. All of that is good and we should do them as best we can. BUT doing those things does not save us and neither do they keep us save.

Major1 said:

But can we.....NO!

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Of just the ten commandments originally given in TORAH,
which commandment did you break TODAY ?
(not "in the heart", nor "in the thoughts", as far as I know, men were not punished at that time under TORAH for what was "in the heart" nor "in the thoughts")

Major1 said:

Jesus said that we get to heaven by.......... John 3:8........."Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

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AMEIN and HALLELUYAH !

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Of just the ten commandments originally given in TORAH,
which commandment did you break TODAY ?
(not "in the heart", nor "in the thoughts", as far as I know, men were not punished at that time under TORAH for what was "in the heart" nor "in the thoughts")

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I am glad that I do not have to sit down and go over every one of them that I broke. By the way, how many of them did David break?

But what did the Master teacher say about that my friend????

Mark 7:21........
"For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery".

Major1 said:

I am glad that I do not have to sit down and go over every one of them that I broke. By the way, how many of them did David break?

But what did the Master teacher say about that my friend????

Mark 7:21........
"For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery".

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Good example is DAVID. He broke a commandment, then he stopped sinning and did not break that commandment again.

He was not punished for breaking that commandment in his heart -
in his heart he was a MAN AFTER YHWH'S OWN HEART.

He was punished for breaking TORAH as other people were or could be .

If anyone is sinning willfully , do you think YHWH will change HIS WORD for them ?

ronandcarol said:

Is following the 10 commandments required for salvation?

God didn't call them the 10 Suggestions!​

ronandcarol

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yeshuaslavejeff said:

Of just the ten commandments originally given in TORAH,
which commandment did you break TODAY ?
(not "in the heart", nor "in the thoughts", as far as I know, men were not punished at that time under TORAH for what was "in the heart" nor "in the thoughts")

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The command against coveting is against desiring what your neighbor has in your heart. Jesus wasn't saying anything brand new when he spoke against having lustful thoughts about your neighbor's wife, but was just teaching the correct application of the 7th and 10th Commandments.

Behold what exotic [foreign to the human heart] love
the Father has permanently bestowed upon us, to the end
that we may be named children [born-ones, bairns] of
God. And we are. On this account the world does not
have an experiential knowledge of us, because it has not
come into an experiential knowledge of Him. Divinely
loved ones, now born-ones of God we are. And not yet has
it been made visible what we shall be. We know absolutely
that whenever it is made visible, like ones to Him we shall
be, because we shall see Him just as He is. And every-
one who has this hope continually set on Him is con-
stately purifying himself just as that One is pure.

Everyone who habitually commits sin, also habitually
combusts lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. And you
know absolutely that that One was manifested in order
that He might take away our sins; and sin in Him does
not exist. Everyone who in Him is constantly abiding is
not habitually sinning. Everyone who is constantly sin-
ning has not with discernment sen Him, nor has he
known Him, with the result that that condition is true of
him at present. Little born-ones, stop allowing anyone to
be leading you astray. The one who habitually does
righteousness is righteous, just as that One is righteous.
The one who is habitually committing sin is out of the
devil as a source, because from the beginning the devil
has been sinning. For this purpose there was manifested
the Son of God, in order that He might bring to naught
the worlds of the devil.


Everyone who has been born out of God with the
present result that he is a born-one of God does not
habitually commit sin because His seed remains in him.
And he is not able habitually to sin, because out of God
he has been born with the present result that he is a
born-one of God. In this is apparent who are the born-
ones of God and the born-ones of the devil. Everyone
who is not habitually doing righteousness is not of God,
also the one who is not habitually loving his brother
[Christian] with a divine and self-sacrificial love.

Because this is the message which you heard from the
beginning, namely, We should habitually be loving one
another with a divine and self-sacrificial love; not even
as Cain [who] was out of the Pernicious One, and killed
his brother by severing his jugular vein. And on what
account did he kill him? Because his works were perni-
cious and those of his brother righteous. Stop marveling,
brethren, if, as is the case, the world hates you. As for
us, we know absolutely that we have passed over per-
mannerly out of the death into the life, because we are
habitually loving the brethren with a divine and self-
sacrificial love. The one who is not habitually loving in
this manner is abiding in the sphere of the death. Every-
one who habitually is hating his brother [Christian] is a
manslayer. And you know absolutely that no manslayer
has life eternal abiding in him.

In this we have come to know by experience the afore-
mentioned love, because that One on behalf of us laid
down His soul. And, as for us, we have a moral obliga-
tion on behalf of our brethren to lay down our souls.
But whoever has as a constant possession the necessities
of life, and deliberately keeps on contemplating his brother
constantly having need, and snaps shut his heart from
him, how is it possible that the love of God is abiding
in him? Litlle born-ones, let us not be loving in the sphere
of word, nor even in the sphere of the tongue, but in
the sphere of deed and truth. In this we shall know
experientially that we are out of the truth, and in His
presence shall tranquilize our hearts in whatever our
hearts condemn us, because greater is God than our
hearts and knows all things. Divinely loved ones, if our
hearts are not condemning us, a fearless confidence we
constantly have facing God the Father, and whatever we
are habitually asking we keep on receiving from Him,
because His commandments we are habitually keeping
with solicitous care, and the things which are pleasing in
His penetrating gaze we are habitually doing.

And this is His commandment, namely, We should
believe the Name of His Son Jesus Christ, and be habit-
ually loving one another even as He gave a commandment
to us. And the one who as a habit of life exercises a
solicitous care in keeping His commandments, in Him is
abiding, and He himself is abiding in him. And in this
we know experientially that He is abiding in us, from the
Spirit as a source whom He gave to us.

FIRST JOHN 3:1-24
The New Testament
An Expanded Translation (from Greek) 1961
reprinted 1996
Kenneth S. Wuest