Is evidence of aliens evidence for evolution or something else?

[stevevw]

At what speeds are human like bodies damaged or killed?

What about Worm Holes. THey could be possible as Einsteins theory of relativity predicts Worm Holes. Thats if his theory is correct.

 

[stevevw]

What exactly is your documentation from Military sources? Newspapers are useless to me because they have reported my death many times from various events.

The News paper articles are reporting what the US government has stated in its release of information on Unidentified Arial Phenomenon (UAP). The government finally declassified information of what they now call Unidentified Arial Phenomenon.

Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena
https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Prelimary-Assessment-UAP-20210625.pdf

 

[Daniel Marsh]

I don't think so. Do you know of any?

No

 

[Daniel Marsh]

What about Worm Holes. THey could be possible as Einsteins theory of relativity predicts Worm Holes. Thats if his theory is correct.

The speeds claimed are not in worm holes friend, Brother. They are in our air space.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

Newspapers with my picture in many states have reported my death many times surrounding varius events. As such, they are not good evidence. Often bad opinions of the authors.

The News paper articles are reporting what the US government has stated in its release of information on Unidentified Arial Phenomenon (UAP). The government finally declassified information of what they now call Unidentified Arial Phenomenon.

Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena
https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Prelimary-Assessment-UAP-20210625.pdf

 

[Daniel Marsh]

https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Prelimary-Assessment-UAP-20210625.pdf

That report is interesting:
"UAP PROBABLY LACK A SINGLE EXPLANATION The UAP documented in this limited dataset demonstrate an array of aerial behaviors, reinforcing the possibility there are multiple types of UAP requiring different explanations. Our analysis of the data supports the construct that if and when individual UAP incidents are resolved they will fall into one of five potential explanatory categories: airborne clutter, natural atmospheric phenomena, USG or industry developmental programs, foreign adversary systems, and a catchall “other” bin. With the exception of the one instance where we determined with high confidence that the reported UAP was airborne clutter, specifically a deflating balloon, we currently lack sufficient information in our dataset to attribute incidents to specific explanations. Airborne Clutter: These objects include birds, balloons, recreational unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV), or airborne debris like plastic bags that muddle a scene and affect an operator’s ability to identify true targets, such as enemy aircraft. Natural Atmospheric Phenomena: Natural atmospheric phenomena includes ice crystals, moisture, and thermal fluctuations that may register on some infrared and radar systems. USG or Industry Developmental Programs: Some UAP observations could be attributable to developments and classified programs by U.S. entities. We were unable to confirm, however, that these systems accounted for any of the UAP reports we collected. Foreign Adversary Systems: Some UAP may be technologies deployed by China, Russia, another nation, or a non-governmental entity
Other: Although most of the UAP described in our dataset probably remain unidentified due to
limited data or challenges to collection processing or analysis, we may require additional
scientific knowledge to successfully collect on, analyze and characterize some of them. We
would group such objects in this category pending scientific advances that allowed us to better
understand them. The UAPTF intends to focus additional analysis on the small number of cases
where a UAP appeared to display unusual flight characteristics or signature management. "
https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Prelimary-Assessment-UAP-20210625.pdf

I do not see spacecraft in that report. Where do you see spacecraft there?

Why did we waste coronavirus-relief money on that?
And, who is responsible for that waste of money rider?

 

[stevevw]

That report is interesting:
"UAP PROBABLY LACK A SINGLE EXPLANATION The UAP documented in this limited dataset demonstrate an array of aerial behaviors, reinforcing the possibility there are multiple types of UAP requiring different explanations. Our analysis of the data supports the construct that if and when individual UAP incidents are resolved they will fall into one of five potential explanatory categories: airborne clutter, natural atmospheric phenomena, USG or industry developmental programs, foreign adversary systems, and a catchall “other” bin. With the exception of the one instance where we determined with high confidence that the reported UAP was airborne clutter, specifically a deflating balloon, we currently lack sufficient information in our dataset to attribute incidents to specific explanations. Airborne Clutter: These objects include birds, balloons, recreational unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV), or airborne debris like plastic bags that muddle a scene and affect an operator’s ability to identify true targets, such as enemy aircraft. Natural Atmospheric Phenomena: Natural atmospheric phenomena includes ice crystals, moisture, and thermal fluctuations that may register on some infrared and radar systems. USG or Industry Developmental Programs: Some UAP observations could be attributable to developments and classified programs by U.S. entities. We were unable to confirm, however, that these systems accounted for any of the UAP reports we collected. Foreign Adversary Systems: Some UAP may be technologies deployed by China, Russia, another nation, or a non-governmental entity
Other: Although most of the UAP described in our dataset probably remain unidentified due to
limited data or challenges to collection processing or analysis, we may require additional
scientific knowledge to successfully collect on, analyze and characterize some of them. We
would group such objects in this category pending scientific advances that allowed us to better
understand them. The UAPTF intends to focus additional analysis on the small number of cases
where a UAP appeared to display unusual flight characteristics or signature management. "
https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Prelimary-Assessment-UAP-20210625.pdf

I do not see spacecraft in that report. Where do you see spacecraft there?

I wasn't saying the report confirmed spacecraft. I was saying that the objects dtected in a small number of cases were described as solid objects as detected by radar and other sensing devices. They gave off radio signals, maneuvered beyond human known tech and the objects speed was faster than what we are capable of and and yet it didnt break the sound barrier. This implied they were intelligently controlled.

Many rule out it being foreign tech like from Russia or China as these UAPs have been around for 40 years or more. That level of tech would be reflected in other ways and if some country did have this tech why expose that tech to others.

The other point was also that it is unprecidented that an official government acknowledgement of there being some truely unexplainable UAP's that defy our understanding. We have always heard stories about UFO's but there was no official confirmation for the government especially the military which you would think is not going to make things up.

What the report doesn't tell you is the many eye witness sightings some only 50 metres away from military pilots along with the radar detections. They describe metallic objects almost hovering and then quickly darting away. Their radars actually lock on the objects. So something strange is out there.

But I am still skeptical about aliens and thats why I was posing other reasons such as something of the spiritual realm. It may also be some natural phenomna that mimicks intelligence. I don't really know but the fact they are solid objects and move beyond our tech is interesting. Whatever it turns out to be we will gain some greater understanding of our world.

 

[The Barbarian]

If God created other worlds to produce intelligent beings capable of fellowship with Him, how would that invalidate anything He's told us?

The universe is a rather big place, and it seems to me that a lot of stuff would be wasted if it was just made for us here on Earth.

 

[stevevw]

If God created other worlds to produce intelligent beings capable of fellowship with Him, how would that invalidate anything He's told us?

The universe is a rather big place, and it seems to me that a lot of stuff would be wasted if it was just made for us here on Earth.

Maybe but what if to actually produce intelligent life in the image of God it took creating such a big place for it to happen. This relates to the anthropic principle.

 

[The Barbarian]

Maybe but what if to actually produce intelligent life in the image of God it took creating such a big place for it to happen. This relates to the anthropic principle.

You might be right. Still, you'd think, that if He designed this place specifically for us, He'd have done a better job of making it hospitable to us.

Assuming that mattered to Him of course. Probably a bad idea, trying to figure out what God intended with the rest of creation.

 

[Sheila Davis]

I recently watched a special on TV called "Under Investigation" produced by 60 Minutes Australia. They had experts on the panel as well as eye witness military pilots testimony and data from surveillance devices across a range of equipment. This was evidence released by the US government recently admitting that there are what they now call "Unidentified Arial Objects". They admit they are solid objects that defy our current technology.

So that got me thinking if they are more advanced intelligent alien life where did they come from. Did they evolve or are they part of Gods creation. How would a creationist rationalize this into creation theory. How would a Christian rationalize this into redemption.

If aliens did evolve which I think would be fairly probable if evolution happened without any divine guidance then does this disprove creation theory. Or maybe these aliens are very smart but lack the image of God or that its part of Satan's ploy to fool the world before his coming.

The word alien is fairly new I believe it begin it's usage in the 1950s as well as the word extraterrestrials.
What does it mean 1someone from a different country 2 anything from outer space and in some definition the term science fiction is used.
Extraterrestrial what does it mean - anything not of this Earth.

When you look at scripture
God took Enoch
Elijah was taken up
Jesus rose up
Jesus will return from the clouds in the sky
What exactly are chariots of fire
How are the Angels able to appear and / or disappear
What are the wings of an Angel do they
actually have wings like birds
What was Ezekiel describing
Jesus said he was going to prepare a place
There will be a new heaven and a new Earth

When you are open and honest about it the words extraterrestrial and aliens both are definitions of God the Father and his angels. Now how is that so _ because none of them were created from the dust of the Earth - none of them were born on the Earth - all of them are from outside of Earth's gravity, from somewhere out there in this vast endless universe. I actually see aliens as proving the existence of God.
The words have been used to describe science fiction in movies, therefore seem unrealistic and comical in a sense to many people. Which probably is Satan's intent because he knows his time is running out and things will slowly be revealed. This is not science fiction or comical, it's concerning what's going on in the skies of the earth and in some cases abduction of people. If what happened to Enoch and Elijah happened today it probably would be considered abductions.
When you read The book of Enoch _ which were once Cannon and taken out for their reasons - it states the watchers experimented with mankind and animal and created monstrosity. Sounds like what some of these abductees state - starting back in the 50s / 60s of the 19 hundreds - concerning what happened to them. Abductees say the abductors were experimenting with many of the females and their eggs were taken - many of the males say their sperm was taken. Go back to Genesis 6 and what's written in the book of Enoch. And these days people speak of mutilation of cattle by alien abductors also.

It is written in scripture when Jesus returns we will see him as he truly is seems to mean he looks different than humans presently.

And when you read scripture the angels can do feats man can't - they can appear in the form of man - they appear and disappear at will - they fly - they have super strength and can enter your dreams, they seem to have a bit of access to human thoughts. They can leave the Earth at least those that were not cast down here from the attempted overthrow.
The Bible speaks of alien / extraterrestrial life from Genesis to Revelation.

 

[stevevw]

You might be right. Still, you'd think, that if He designed this place specifically for us, He'd have done a better job of making it hospitable to us.

Assuming that mattered to Him of course. Probably a bad idea, trying to figure out what God intended with the rest of creation.

What about the fall. I have heard some say since the Fall of humans all creation is out of kilt. Our universe is no longer perfect and is moving away from that perfect state and slowly moving towards chaos. Maybe that's what the aliens are observing and are trying to warn us .

 

[Believer000]

I recently watched a special on TV called "Under Investigation" produced by 60 Minutes Australia. They had experts on the panel as well as eye witness military pilots testimony and data from surveillance devices across a range of equipment. This was evidence released by the US government recently admitting that there are what they now call "Unidentified Arial Objects". They admit they are solid objects that defy our current technology.

So that got me thinking if they are more advanced intelligent alien life where did they come from. Did they evolve or are they part of Gods creation. How would a creationist rationalize this into creation theory. How would a Christian rationalize this into redemption.

If aliens did evolve which I think would be fairly probable if evolution happened without any divine guidance then does this disprove creation theory. Or maybe these aliens are very smart but lack the image of God or that its part of Satan's ploy to fool the world before his coming.

I believe aliens (if they exist) are demonic beings.

 

[stevevw]

The word alien is fairly new I believe it begin it's usage in the 1950s as well as the word extraterrestrials.
What does it mean 1someone from a different country 2 anything from outer space and in some definition the term science fiction is used.
Extraterrestrial what does it mean - anything not of this Earth.

When you look at scripture
God took Enoch
Elijah was taken up
Jesus rose up
Jesus will return from the clouds in the sky
What exactly are chariots of fire
How are the Angels able to appear and / or disappear
What are the wings of an Angel do they
actually have wings like birds
What was Ezekiel describing
Jesus said he was going to prepare a place
There will be a new heaven and a new Earth

When you are open and honest about it the words extraterrestrial and aliens both are definitions of God the Father and his angels. Now how is that so _ because none of them were created from the dust of the Earth - none of them were born on the Earth - all of them are from outside of Earth's gravity, from somewhere out there in this vast endless universe. I actually see aliens as proving the existence of God.
The words have been used to describe science fiction in movies, therefore seem unrealistic and comical in a sense to many people. Which probably is Satan's intent because he knows his time is running out and things will slowly be revealed. This is not science fiction or comical, it's concerning what's going on in the skies of the earth and in some cases abduction of people. If what happened to Enoch and Elijah happened today it probably would be considered abductions.
When you read The book of Enoch _ which were once Cannon and taken out for their reasons - it states the watchers experimented with mankind and animal and created monstrosity. Sounds like what some of these abductees state - starting back in the 50s / 60s of the 19 hundreds - concerning what happened to them. Abductees say the abductors were experimenting with many of the females and their eggs were taken - many of the males say their sperm was taken. Go back to Genesis 6 and what's written in the book of Enoch. And these days people speak of mutilation of cattle by alien abductors also.

It is written in scripture when Jesus returns we will see him as he truly is seems to mean he looks different than humans presently.

And when you read scripture the angels can do feats man can't - they can appear in the form of man - they appear and disappear at will - they fly - they have super strength and can enter your dreams, they seem to have a bit of access to human thoughts. They can leave the Earth at least those that were not cast down here from the attempted overthrow.
The Bible speaks of alien / extraterrestrial life from Genesis to Revelation.

Yes its interesting. The Bible talks about signs in the heavens and whether its aliens, angels or some other phenomena the signs seem to be increasing.

 

[stevevw]

I believe aliens (if they exist) are demonic beings.

Yes I think this is a possibility. If Satan wanted some way to establish power on the earth and convince everyone he has power beyond humans what better way than as an alien being from some distant planet. People would be in awe and think at he is some sort of god in some evolved human like form which everyone would follow.

 

[Believer000]

Yes I think this is a possibility. If Satan wanted some way to establish power on the earth and convince everyone he has power beyond humans what better way than as an alien being from some distant planet. People would be in awe and think at he is some sort of god in some evolved human like form which everyone would follow.

And it's interesting how during some of these so called 'abduction' dreams that some people claim to have, - calling on the name of Jesus causes the 'beings' to back off.

 

[Sheila Davis]

Yes its interesting. The Bible talks about signs in the heavens and whether its aliens, angels or some other phenomena the signs seem to be increasing.

Men have been conditioned to think that aliens are little green men from Mars or some beast from another galaxy through science fiction movies. The biblical connection will never be made by most - most feel that those words take away from the Divinity of God and it doesn't. Gives you a first-hand look at what he is capable of. They can fly through the sun. Supposedly some videos of NASA shows this - can no longer find them. They can go from zero to warp in a fraction of a second. They can make a right angle turn on a dime. What we are seeing in the sky proves there is life out there. Their crafts are silent, not even a hum. They were hovering before man got the technology -which I believe come from area 51 and they did have a crashed UFO in Roswell like was reported the first day then retracted the second day. And they can travel between galaxies .... many military personnel are beginning to actually do interviews on what day did witness throughout the years. In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth _ so they all, we all belong to God

 

[Sheila Davis]

You might be right. Still, you'd think, that if He designed this place specifically for us, He'd have done a better job of making it hospitable to us.

Assuming that mattered to Him of course. Probably a bad idea, trying to figure out what God intended with the rest of creation.

Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 3:17-19 - King James Version

Bible Gateway passage: Isaiah 24:6 - King James Version
The Earth is cursed

 

[The Barbarian]

The Earth is cursed

Sorry, that's not what it says. Farmers and herders have to work a lot. Hunter-gatherers live with a lot less effort. It's not creation that's messed up. It's us.

 

[The Barbarian]

What about the fall. I have heard some say since the Fall of humans all creation is out of kilt. Our universe is no longer perfect and is moving away from that perfect state and slowly moving towards chaos. Maybe that's what the aliens are observing and are trying to warn us

We haven't been very good stewards of creation, but that's not anything we can blame on God.