Is evidence of aliens evidence for evolution or something else?

[BNR32FAN]

Isn't it a bit early for speculations? An "unidentified aerial object" doesn't give much information to base a theory on. We don't even know whether there is life in/on those objects.

They could’ve just been highly classified military exercises that not all government agencies have access to or knowledge of. Obviously the military would deny any knowledge of them especially if that knowledge was intended to be delivered to the public.

 

[The Barbarian]

I notice there aren't as many UFOs being reported, now that almost everyone carries a camera. I think I know why.

 

[Ray Glenn]

I'll try ....some are saying "Here we go" ...

For several years I attended meetings with UFO Experts, hosted by my boss and mentor Bob Beckwith. In my observation, Bob was on the cusp of genius. He developed sonar for the US Government while working for GE during the start of WW2. He believed in UFOs. Every year there was an UFO Convention in Tampa, FL. Bob would go to the convention and get to know most of the "Experts" and the Keynote Speakers. Every year there was a meeting arranged to have one or two "Experts" at his home. The invited audience of about eight to ten friends.

Bob believed that UFO's travel in time. The reason they are seldom seen ...they are traveling one second before us. Out of site before we realize they are there. Simple, If I am here and you were there before I got here, you can't see me. The real interesting meetings involved implants and the battles in the heavens of the Greys and Reptilians for control of the earth. This got a little involved for me, so I asked this question.

"The Bible speaks of battles between demons and angels in the heavens. Could it be we are looking at nothing more than what God has revealed to mankind? In other words, we are making this more complicated than it actually is?

By the looks I got ....I lean toward more complicated than what it is.

 

[Sheila Davis]

Sorry, that's not what it says. Farmers and herders have to work a lot. Hunter-gatherers live with a lot less effort. It's not creation that's messed up. It's us.

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Genesis 3:17 God himself cursed the ground - what is the ground - the Earth
Genesis 3:17 And to Adam He said: "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat, cursed is the ground because of you; through toil you will eat of it all the days of your life.

Isaiah 24:6 a curse consumes the Earth
Isaiah 24:6 Therefore a curse has consumed the earth, and its inhabitants must bear the guilt; the earth's dwellers have been burned, and only a few survive.

 

[The Barbarian]

The curse is farming. The ground is cursed for us, because that is what we have become. Those who don't bother to till and work the ground are not affected. The curse only works for humans; the rest of creation is not affected.

 

[Sheila Davis]

The curse is farming. The ground is cursed for us, because that is what we have become. Those who don't bother to till and work the ground are not affected. The curse only works for humans; the rest of creation is not affected.

I disagree with everything you said but it is your right and those who believe farming is the curse to think as they choose
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The Earth is not cursed as you say cursed "for us" - the Earth is cursed because of us.

"All" of creation is travailing moaning and groaning -
Bible Gateway passage: Romans 8:22-23 - King James Version

Creation and the Curse

Biblical Truth #3—God has Subjected the Whole World to a Curse Because of Sin

What Was the Curse God Put on Creation? | Bible.org

 

[The Barbarian]

I disagree with everything you said but it is your right and those who believe farming is the curse to think as they choose

God is quite specific about that. He details the curse that falls on us, and it's farming.

If you forage and hunt, it's not an issue. But remember, this was written for agricultural people, farmers and herdsmen.

 

[stevevw]

I notice there aren't as many UFOs being reported, now that almost everyone carries a camera. I think I know why.

Yeah aliens are camera shy

 

[Sheila Davis]

God is quite specific about that. He details the curse that falls on us, and it's farming.

If you forage and hunt, it's not an issue. But remember, this was written for agricultural people, farmers and herdsmen.

I disagree with that idea of reasoning. God detail the curse that fell on man and how he had to work and toil.
No I will not remember because I do not agree with it, nor will I give reference to it. Then to say the only job cursed is agriculture and all the others are okay. As I said believe as you choose _ as do I and any other individual has that right.

 

[The Barbarian]

I disagree with that idea of reasoning. God detail the curse that fell on man and how he had to work and toil.
No I will not remember because I do not agree with it, nor will I give reference to it. Then to say the only job cursed is agriculture and all the others are okay.

Notice, for example, that Cain was a farmer, who did what the curse said. Abel was a herder, who did not.

 

[The Barbarian]

Yeah aliens are camera shy

Today's winner.

 

[Sheila Davis]

Notice, for example, that Cain was a farmer, who did what the curse said. Abel was a herder, who did not.

Cain being a farmer at nothing to do with it - he produced food as food is still being produced and wasted these days. There are a few different interpretations as to why God rejected Cain's offering. Like why God loved Jacob but hated Esau. As it is written in scripture: Cain was of his father the devil.
Why Did God Reject Cain's Sacrifice?
Work the land for 6 years - let it rest on the seventh year Exodus 23:11 - when you reap your harvest leave a little for the poor, widows, and homeless Leviticus 23:22 - the Israelites brought the first fruit of their crop - Proverbs 3:9.

 

[The Barbarian]

Cain being a farmer at nothing to do with it

God says it does. He claims the curse is on man farming and struggling to raise crops from the Earth.

It's noteworthy that He doesn't call it down on herdsmen or hunter/gathers. This is a great example of the dangers in letting eisegisis run free. You see, the Canaanites were farmers and the Israelites were herdsmen. So the story of Cain the farmer and Abel the herdsman makes sense in terms of the culture and people of the time. We shouldn't project those things to actually be the message God is giving us.

 

[Sheila Davis]

God says it does. He claims the curse is on man farming and struggling to raise crops from the Earth.

It's noteworthy that He doesn't call it down on herdsmen or hunter/gathers. This is a great example of the dangers in letting eisegisis run free. You see, the Canaanites were farmers and the Israelites were herdsmen. So the story of Cain the farmer and Abel the herdsman makes sense in terms of the culture and people of the time. We shouldn't project those things to actually be the message God is giving us.

Kind Sir, if you feel the curse on farming so be it. I will stand with Isaiah 24:6 the Earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haugthy people of the earth do languish. The Earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, change the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the Earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the Earth or burned, and few men are left.
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Romans 8:22 for we know that the whole creation groans and travaileth in pain together until now.
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Deuteronomy 28:16 -19 cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field. Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store. Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
Cursed shalt thou be when cometh in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goeth out.
The Canaanites farmed too, but they were also builders, seamen, nomads, coppersmiths, etc _ God is the one that carries out the curse, but wasn't it Noah who put a curse on Canaan? The Israelites were herdsman too and farmers, Carpenters, fisherman etc.

 

[The Barbarian]

None of those verses say what your eisegisis says. This is an example of missing the message and being creative with the incidentals.

 

[GenemZ]

I recently watched a special on TV called "Under Investigation" produced by 60 Minutes Australia. They had experts on the panel as well as eye witness military pilots testimony and data from surveillance devices across a range of equipment. This was evidence released by the US government recently admitting that there are what they now call "Unidentified Arial Objects". They admit they are solid objects that defy our current technology.

So that got me thinking if they are more advanced intelligent alien life where did they come from. Did they evolve or are they part of Gods creation. How would a creationist rationalize this into creation theory. How would a Christian rationalize this into redemption.

If aliens did evolve which I think would be fairly probable if evolution happened without any divine guidance then does this disprove creation theory. Or maybe these aliens are very smart but lack the image of God or that its part of Satan's ploy to fool the world before his coming.

The one world system has to be able to create a foundation for lying to the world population as to what happened when the Rapture takes place. All those "Christians" were beamed up and taken to alien places. Satan is prepping his world for a future great fake news campaign...

As indicated in Ezekiel 10, certain angels do travel with spherical shaped crafts.

These "wheels" seen in Ezekiel 10 did not make turns as we know it. They would change direction instantaneously at 90 degrees without making an arc. It would look like an optical illusion to our eyes.

 

[Sheila Davis]

None of those verses say what your eisegisis says. This is an example of missing the message and being creative with the incidentals.

Whatever pleases you pleases you.
All of those verses are concerning the Earth is cursed.
And to be technical God curse the ground not farming.
Again I stand with God's prophet Isaiah saying
Bible Gateway passage: Isaiah 24:6 - King James Version
And Paul an apostille of Christ saying
Bible Gateway passage: Romans 8:22 - King James Version
Not that either of those scriptures matters to some.
Thank you for the conversation - I've finished and said all I need to say.

 

[The Barbarian]

Whatever pleases you pleases you.

I just avoid adding anything to God's word.

 

[Sheila Davis]

I just avoid adding anything to God's word.

You chose your (those) words carefully with intent. Are you waiting?
Are you saying I have added to God's word?
I haven't added anything to God's word.
And you still choose to avoid certain scriptures.
Say what ever else you want, I will not read anything else you write on this thread.
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[The Barbarian]

You chose your (those) words carefully with intent. Are you waiting?
Are you saying I have added to God's word?

Each of us has to answer for that to God alone. I will not decide for you or for anyone else but myself. My intent is to not add anything to His word.