Is Everybody going to heaven?

[enoch son]

If everyone goes to heaven then the bible has so many lies that so many believe that we should discount it and salvation also!
Either its true (the bible) or all get saved. Both cannot be true.

No this is not what we are saying at all. We have found that man takes the word and twist it around by means of words to fit his belief. Study the greek strongs is good up to a point. The bible tells the truth men lie.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Hitler, Stalin, Osma bin Laden, Nero, Bloody Mary, fill in the blank...

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Just curious to hear everyone's answers and explanations...

Who would you say is the most righteous man who ever lived? It really does not matter, but just to make my point, lets say it was Moses. If we were to represent the righteousness of Moses by a ball, that ball might be 10 feet in diameter. In comparison, the people you mentioned might have righteousness the size of a pea... or even a speck of dust. It is true, they were nasty fellows. But, and this is the important part when talking about righteousness: How big would the ball that represents the righteousness of God be? And that is the only one that matters. I suspect the ball would fill the universe and beyond. It is infinte. So while we look at those nasty persons you mentioned and thumb our noses at their puny pea sized righteousnesses, you have to remember that compared to God our personal righteousness is no better.
But I am not pointing this out to compare you to these nasty fellows, only to say do not be surprized if you see one or more of them in heaven... I am surprized I am going, and that only because of HIS righteousness imputed to me.

 

[enoch son]

I havn't said anything because I would just get reported by those of the weaker faith. HEAVEN IS HERE AND NOW, HELL IS HERE AND NOW. WHERE YOU LIVE IS BASE ON YOUR UNDERSTANDING WHAT GOD HAS LET YOU SEE. STOP THE PIE IN THE SKY IT"S JUST SAD.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I havn't said anything because I would just get reported by those of the weaker faith. HEAVEN IS HERE AND NOW, HELL IS HERE AND NOW. WHERE YOU LIVE IS BASE ON YOUR UNDERSTANDING WHAT GOD HAS LET YOU SEE. STOP THE PIE IN THE SKY IN JUST SAD.

lol...
I do not let reports slow me down. Let them report me till their report button falls off. The worse that can happen is that I would be forced to leave.
OH NO!!!!
When all the good posters are gone all they will have is themselves to fight with and report.
Let them devour each other.

 

[Tamara224]

I voted "no, there is a literal hell." I don't believe that everyone will go to heaven.

However, I am now beginning to question what I've always been taught with regard to the eternal nature of hell. I'm not so sure that unbelievers will suffer eternally in the Lake of Fire. I think it's possible that the Lake of Fire (being the second death) means that those people will cease to exist.

 

[Rajni]

Because it's what you are advocating. Sounds different when put that way doesn't it?

No, if that's what I were advocating, then I would have said as much. It is, however, pretty apparent that this is what you're concluding based on your response to the idea that heaven just might be in everyone's future.

According to your view, who cares what we do? "Sex feels good, so I'ma sex up everyone and thing I can imagine! I'll eat what I want, shoot what I want and drink what I want because it makes me feel good. God loves me, that's enough, because he loves me enough to spare my from eternal damnation - I can kill a few folks I don't like too. I'll do the world some justice and just be rid of them. To what end? Oh I'll have a little punishment, but heck, I can live like I want and still get a piece of what those uppity neener neener christians are gonna get! "

Again,that's according to your view in light of Christ's sacrifice being 100% successful as opposed to the 30% or so success-rate suggested by mainstream Churchianity. If it were my view, I would have said as much.

But thank you for your honesty in how you would feel in the face of such a wonderful salvation. At this point in your spiritual journey, you might be better off not believing in the redemption of all, especially if it would compel you to behave the way you suggested above.



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[Rajni]

Out of curiosity, chaela, do you believe that all the various spiritual gifts (or charisms) listed in the New Testament (including but not limited to the manifestations gifts found in I Corinthians 12:8-10) are active in the Church today and desirable in the life of the individual believer, for the edification of the Body of Christ?

Thanks.

All things are possible with God!


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[enoch son]

lol...
I do not let reports slow me down. Let them report me till their report button falls off. The worse that can happen is that I would be forced to leave.
OH NO!!!!
When all the good posters are gone all they will have is themselves to fight with and report.
Let them devour each other.

It's been along time my friend I have see many come and go and I miss them all.

 

[MrSnow]

Read it agian my friend where does it say any of the dead where throw in. Death was hades was. I see no people here to speak.( the flesh is not a person) People have mixed up things with people.

Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

 

[ralangley]

This is a joke right???? The hell doctrine that came from RCC chruch has been around for what 1000 yrs. and 90 percent of the world is still going there. Now that sounds like a work of man not God to me. To ask for one to take out the book and study it in the greek and heb. on this subject is to much to ask. Man would rather sit it the pew like they did 1000 yrs. ago and paid money to stay safe.

and to add, they made sure to translate it to FOREVER!....The enemy had a plan to pervert the word of God, but God has a plan to make ALL things alright.

These two quotes intrigued me. Where did you learn that the RCC manufactured the hell doctrine? I know there are different arguments about what "forever" means, and "perish" for that matter, but I've never heard of the RCC creating the hell doctrine in the first place. Please let me know where you got this. Thanks.

 

[enoch son]

These two quotes intrigued me. Where did you learn that the RCC manufactured the hell doctrine? I know there are different arguments about what "forever" means, and "perish" for that matter, but I've never heard of the RCC creating the hell doctrine in the first place. Please let me know where you got this. Thanks.

It comes from RCC histroy. No one was going to church and money was not coming in. So bingo people showed up when they start talking about hell etc. and they started selling firer insurance and get a love out of a holding cell it only takes money. A monk in Germany said this isn't right
and all hell broke lose. But the doctrine of demons is still here today.

 

[enoch son]

Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

So where are the names? Who's book of life is it? What right do you have to read it in a unloving matter? I think you need to rethink, because it called the Lambs book of life. And there is only one name worthy of being in it and it aren't your's and mine.
And by the way what do you think the cross is a picnic?

 

[Rajni]

So where are the names? Who's book of life is it? What right do you have to read it in a unloving matter? I think you need to rethink, because it called the Lambs book of life. And there is only one name worthy of being in it and it aren't your's and mine.
And by the way what do you think the cross is a picnic?

Good questions.

Plus, it says "If" anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. That's as far as it gets: "If". The rest is speculation, and why on earth speculate such a worst-case scenario as something along the lines of 90% of everyone who ever lived being endlessly tortured? "If" is such a small word upon which to base a sadistic doctrine.


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[enoch son]

Good questions.

Plus, it says "If" anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. That's as far as it gets: "If". The rest is speculation, and why on earth speculate such a worst-case scenario as something along the lines of 90% of everyone who ever lived being endlessly tortured? "If" is such a small word upon which to base a sadistic doctrine.


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I do believe the the lake of firer is the cross. "No one comes to the father but by me." Why is it a bad thing? If it's burning up evil and sin and death I see that as a good thing. Throw me in if I come out being more like Jesus, then forget about throwing me in, I'm running in. Doesn't the word say "nothing will hurt you?"

 

[SavedByGrace3]

These two quotes intrigued me. Where did you learn that the RCC manufactured the hell doctrine? I know there are different arguments about what "forever" means, and "perish" for that matter, but I've never heard of the RCC creating the hell doctrine in the first place. Please let me know where you got this. Thanks.

My understanding is the common concept of "hell" as being a place of fire where people are tortured for eternity came from the demon worshippers of Hinduism.

 

[brinny]

Hitler, Stalin, Osma bin Laden, Nero, Bloody Mary, fill in the blank...

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Just curious to hear everyone's answers and explanations...

Did you check in with God's Word?

 

[ralangley]

It comes from RCC histroy. No one was going to church and money was not coming in. So bingo people showed up when they start talking about hell etc. and they started selling firer insurance and get a love out of a holding cell it only takes money. A monk in Germany said this isn't right
and all hell broke lose. But the doctrine of demons is still here today.

Thank you for your response. It doesn't quite answer my question though. Did Jesus talk about hell or not? In my NT, hell is mentioned more times than love, and its impossible to read the words of Jesus without seeing a deep warning in his words. Of course, the word "hell" can be interpreted in many ways, but no matter how you dice it, it still comes out to be a very, very bad place whether permanently or for a period of time. If we all get saved, why would Jesus stress (repeatedly) the importance of his message? If Jesus didn't say these things but they were instead manufactured by the RCC, then we need to re-visit everything Jesus supposedly said. So its not a little claim to assert there is no hell. I'd be interested in reading more about this so please, provide your source.

 

[Tamara224]

I'm curious what the "everyone goes to heaven" crowd makes of passages such as these:

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.


Ephesians 5:5-6
5For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a man is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.6Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient.
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[enoch son]

Thank you for your response. It doesn't quite answer my question though. Did Jesus talk about hell or not? In my NT, hell is mentioned more times than love, and its impossible to read the words of Jesus without seeing a deep warning in his words. Of course, the word "hell" can be interpreted in many ways, but no matter how you dice it, it still comes out to be a very, very bad place whether permanently or for a period of time. If we all get saved, why would Jesus stress (repeatedly) the importance of his message? If Jesus didn't say these things but they were instead manufactured by the RCC, then we need to re-visit everything Jesus supposedly said. So its not a little claim to assert there is no hell. I'd be interested in reading more about this so please, provide your source.

Christian think that Jesus was talking to christian. But that not true He was talking to jew's who know the law and thier history. Hell to the jews is the valley of Hinnor. Jer. chap. 19 Because of what the jew's did there they were sent to babylonian by God and Jeremiah broke the clay pot there and pocliam a new conventant. The jew's knew Jesus was taking about the trash dump it became out the potter gate on the west side of the city. Christian think everything is about them and thats just not true.

 

[Rajni]

Thank you for your response. It doesn't quite answer my question though. Did Jesus talk about hell or not? In my NT, hell is mentioned more times than love, and its impossible to read the words of Jesus without seeing a deep warning in his words. Of course, the word "hell" can be interpreted in many ways, but no matter how you dice it, it still comes out to be a very, very bad place whether permanently or for a period of time. If we all get saved, why would Jesus stress (repeatedly) the importance of his message? If Jesus didn't say these things but they were instead manufactured by the RCC, then we need to re-visit everything Jesus supposedly said. So its not a little claim to assert there is no hell. I'd be interested in reading more about this so please, provide your source.

How often Hell is mentioned depends on which version of the bible you use. Here is a chart that lists many popular versions of the Bible and compares how often "Hell" is mentioned within them:

Hell: Even Bible Translators Themselves Don't Agree



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