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The writings of Josephus are very much in doubt
No they are not. It's you now who are very much in doubt.
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The writings of Josephus are very much in doubt
I don't think Christianity will die in America, no, but it will dwindle, in numbers, over more time, yes. Creationism, I think is something, that will die off with the older generations, that believed in it, from childhood on. I do not think, there are so many people, under age 40, who believe in it now, except, perhaps the homeschooled children. It is already, very, very rare, in Europe.
I don't think Christianity will die in America, no, but it will dwindle, in numbers, over more time, yes. Creationism, I think is something, that will die off with the older generations, that believed in it, from childhood on. I do not think, there are so many people, under age 40, who believe in it now, except, perhaps the homeschooled children. It is already, very, very rare, in Europe.I think the hard-core fundamentalist version of Christianity will die out, hopefully in my lifetime. That version of Christianity hasn't won many fans in the greater population...so their probability of converting adults is pretty slim. Maybe that's why they have so many kids...
I hope fundamentalist Christianity dies out; I just hope it doesn't take the rest of the faith with it. It's so influential - if it wasn't we wouldn't have politicians pushing creationism and the personhood movement on us.
The waning of Christianity is not due to atheism, it is due to the vocal extremism within the faith itself.
In order for Christianity to survive, creationism can no longer be seen as a tenet of Christianity. If it is, we're doomed, because I don't think our post-modern world can take seriously a religion that is obsessed with the mistaken belief that the earth was created 6,000 years ago.
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As Jesus believed in creationism , are you suggesting that Christians should do away with Jesus also
Irrelevant. He was talking about EVIDENCE, not belief. In terms of supporting evidence, he is correct. In fact, it could be argued that there is MORE evidence for the existence of Santa than for any God. He leaves gifts behind!
The writings of Josephus are very much in doubt (and the writings of those who attempt to utilize him - eg, Eusebius). For example, it is becoming increasingly accepted that his Antiquities is based upon the gospels themselves. So, quoting Josephus is like quoting the Bible to prove the Bible!
Nonsense. The truth is exactly the opposite! Outside of the Bible, there is NO credible supporting evidence for the existence of an historical Jesus.
Here I depart from my friend bhsmte. I don't hold with the "most Biblical scholars" evidence for two major reasons - it commits an Argument from Popularity/Authority fallacy and it ignores the simple fact that "most Biblical scholars" are themselves Christian, so they come to their study already convinced of the existence of the man they are attempting to research!
And the obvious reply is that Islam and Hinduism must be "true" given the long history of people willing to die for their beliefs in those religions!
All that martyrdom indicates is the extent to which a delusion can produce extreme behaviors in individuals. It says nothing about any "truth" behind those behaviors.
He is worshipped because the most powerful empire that existed in the early centuries of the first millennium adopted that worship and carried it to the known world. It became entrenched in that world. You do realize that Muslims could, and do, make exactly the same claim, for approximately the same time span?
RedPonyDriver
As Jesus believed in creationism , are you suggesting that Christians should do away with Jesus also
I think Christians should realize that they are WRONG on creationism, it's been disproven time and time again. Yes, God created the universe, however, the idea of 6 24 hour days is ridiculous as it has been proven that at the beginning of earth's creation, the earth spun so fast that a day was 4 hours. It's also been proven that the earth's magnetic poles have flipped, that there was originally ONE supercontinent, that at one time ice covered the entire earth...
Now...NONE of those things are mentioned in the creation myth so I'm left with a decision...I can either trust in the scientists who have no specific agenda other than to find out what happened millions/billions of years ago, or I can trust in a bunch of anti-education, anti-science folks who DO have an agenda...
However, it's folks just like you that are keeping people away from Christianity...who don't understand the nuances of beliefs nor the different literary devices used in the 66 books of the bible.
I don't think Christianity will die in America, no, but it will dwindle, in numbers, over more time, yes. Creationism, I think is something, that will die off with the older generations, that believed in it, from childhood on. I do not think, there are so many people, under age 40, who believe in it now, except, perhaps the homeschooled children. It is already, very, very rare, in Europe.
If you take everything in the bible literally, you likely don't have any choice but to go along with biblical creationism..
This is taken from a Christian website.
This for a creationist or Christian should not make very good reading:
If you take everything in the bible literally, you likely don't have any choice but to go along with biblical creationism.
The fact is though, the majority of Christians accept evolution, so they obviously got to a point, where they could not reconcile ignoring this well evidenced science, with reality.
I did not say what you have me quoted as saying. I do not believe in creationism, YEC, etc. I take the scientific evidence of evolution, a 4 billion year old earth, the big bang, etc. as the BEST explanation of how we got here. I believe Genesis 1 & 2 to be myths.
I did not say what you have me quoted as saying. I do not believe in creationism, YEC, etc. I take the scientific evidence of evolution, a 4 billion year old earth, the big bang, etc. as the BEST explanation of how we got here. I believe Genesis 1 & 2 to be myths.
Scientism offers the evolutionary view which only allows the idea that you're a creature of random/chance, mindless, meaningless, purposeless and goalless mechanisms. Are you saying that as a Christian, you embrace that particular viewpoint?
I read an excellent book about this not too long ago called The Genesis Question. Read it then we'll discuss...it would take way too long to try to explain things here.