Is Creationism actually science?

[AV1611VET]

qv

Why do scholars argue that the Bible teaches a flat earth cosmology, then make fun of anyone who believes the earth is flat?

(Or was flat at one time?)

 

[essentialsaltes]

Why do scholars argue that the Bible teaches a flat earth cosmology

Because what little the OT says about geography is entirely consistent with the ancient near eastern flat earth model.

And those who argue otherwise tend to rely on dubious things like equating circles to spheres.

then make fun of anyone who believes the earth is flat?

Because we've learned a few things in the past 2800 years, including that the Earth is not flat. Flat eartherism is not a tenable position today. And indeed, it is risible.

 

[Speedwell]

How many circles of the earth existed in Isaiah's time?

None.

 

[Estrid]

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[AV1611VET]

Because what little the OT says about geography is entirely consistent with the ancient near eastern flat earth model.

Only on paper.

And those who argue otherwise tend to rely on dubious things like equating circles to spheres.

Or circles with maps.

Because we've learned a few things in the past 2800 years, including that the Earth is not flat.

Then the near eastern flat earth model can take a hike.

Flat eartherism is not a tenable position today.

Ain't never been one.

And indeed, it is risible.

Rise up and qv this video:

I love the part that says, "Each parallel of latitude is a full circle."

QV @ 01:10

 

[driewerf]

Evo is not science actually, that intelligence and conciousness can come from non intelligence and build brains bit by bit like evo explains is harder to believe than God

Yeah, learning science requires an effort.
Learning calculus is harder than simplybelieving in god.
Learning genetics is harder than simply believing in god.
learning geology is harder than simply believing in god.
Histology is harder than simply believing in god.
Creationists are basically lazy.

 

[driewerf]

How many circles of the earth existed in Isaiah's time?

None.

 

[AV1611VET]

None.

God says otherwise.

 

[driewerf]

God says otherwise.

The bible, which is falsely claimed to be god's word, claims so.
i have never heard any deity saying so.

 

[essentialsaltes]

I love the part that says, "Each parallel of latitude is a full circle."

I love the part that says, "Imaginary lines are drawn on the globe."

QV @ 00:25

 

[Estrid]

Deletrd

 

[AV1611VET]

I love the part that says "Imaginary lines are drawn on the globe."

That's right.

You can even draw triangles, squares, stars, rectangles, and lines on a globe.

If I drew a two inch line on a globe, then said God can sit above that line on the Earth, am I espousing flat earthism?

(Please answer that.)

 

[AV1611VET]

Deletrd

You're lucky you deleted that.

I'll refrain from answering.

 

[essentialsaltes]

If I drew a two inch line on a globe, then said God can sit above that line on the Earth, am I espousing flat earthism?

(Please answer that.)

The point is not about whether the Arctic Circle is #1 a circle and #2 part of Globe-ism. Both are true.

The point is that the concept of the Arctic Circle (or any such imaginary circles) had not yet been imagined in Isaiah's time.

God is speaking to Isaiah, using terms Isaiah understands.

Given your interpretation of circle, God is not using terms Isaiah would understand.

 

[AV1611VET]

The point is that the concept of the Arctic Circle (or any such imaginary circles) had not yet been imagined in Isaiah's time.

That is not the definition of flat earthism.

Given your interpretation of circle, God is not using terms Isaiah would understand.

Point or no point, would you care to answer my question, please?

 

[essentialsaltes]

That is not the definition of flat earthism.

Nobody said it was.

Point or no point, would you care to answer my question, please?

You doing anything with a globe (and tacitly implying it represents the shape of the earth) would not be espousing flat eartherism.

 

[Speedwell]

Why do scholars argue that the Bible teaches a flat earth cosmology, then make fun of anyone who believes the earth is flat?

(Or was flat at one time?)

Really what they are doing is showing that the Bible teaches a 6000 year-old Earth no more definitively than it teaches a flat one and pointing out that hypocrisy to creationists. Being able to make fun of flat-Earthers is a sport all can enjoy.

 

[AV1611VET]

You doing anything with a globe (and tacitly implying it represents the shape of the earth) would not be espousing flat eartherism.

I guess I'll have to make it into a challenge thread and pray for an honest answer.

 

[Mr Laurier]

Can't God point to a dot of ink on a map or a globe?

Sure. and so can Elf, or Unicorn, or Hobgoblin.
Getting them to actually do so however, is a bit more tricky.

 

[Mr Laurier]

Why do scholars argue that the Bible teaches a flat earth cosmology, then make fun of anyone who believes the earth is flat?

(Or was flat at one time?)

Because the bible does reflect the flat earth cosmology of the people who wrote it. And because scholars have no time for making fun of people who believe silly things.