Is Contraception Destructive?

[Gishin]

I think that contraception is tied to divorce because it introduces a divorce right into the marriage act. it prevents the full self-giving which is the only meaning of the act

Jill Stanek cites Stanford Demographer's understanding of why the divorce rate and contraceptive use are connected:

1. Those using contraceptives have fewer children and have them later in marriage. Statistical data shows that those who have their first baby in the first two years of marriage and another baby in the next two years of marriage have much longer lasting marriages than people who don’t. One reason is that there are other people in the family to care about and to stay a family unit for. Also, being a parent makes one a better person. One begins to care about things not cared about before One becomes more patient.
A Protestant analyzes contraception, part II

he also cites the rise in adultery tied to contraception and one other reason

Like I'm going to pay attention to an anti-choice terrorist apologist when it comes to birth control.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=123958

Actual refutations to the article posted forthcoming.

 

[Gishin]

Nevermind, there was nothing of substance in the article to refute. It was just "God hates it, don't do it!" while also taking a jab at women who think their lot in life is more than just being a baby machine.

 

[BleedingHeart]

Like I'm going to pay attention to an anti-choice terrorist apologist when it comes to birth control.

With Roeder trial, abortion dodges another bullet

Actual refutations to the article posted forthcoming.

Really? I find it interesting that the OP didn't bother mentioning the credentials of the Staniek. That fact that World Nut Daily (which is still pushing that Obama birther crap) finds her worthy as a writer tells me all about her that I need to know for this subject.

 

[patricius79]

Like I'm going to pay attention to an anti-choice terrorist apologist when it comes to birth control.

With Roeder trial, abortion dodges another bullet

Actual refutations to the article posted forthcoming.

I see. you are coming from an atheist perspective.

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

I see. you are coming from an atheist perspective.

You decided to post this in Society not Christian Theology, thus - by your posting it here - you welcomed and embraced that atheist perspective. You cannot, now, reject it.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I see. you are coming from an atheist perspective.

You can't make a civil, rational argument, so you resort to just being childish. Real mature there kiddo

 

[BleedingHeart]

I see. you are coming from an atheist perspective.

What does being an atheist or a theist have to do with proving a causation?

 

[razeontherock]

The divorce rate went up when unicorns disappeared (aliens upducted them).

Well they need to downduct them right back!

 

[razeontherock]

What does being an atheist or a theist have to do with proving a causation?

Apparently the "one true Church" has a special dispensation that lets them avoid that? Or a letter from home, or something? IOW - touche. Wish I could read your avatar ...

 

[BleedingHeart]

Apparently the "one true Church" has a special dispensation that lets them avoid that? Or a letter from home, or something? IOW - touche. Wish I could read your avatar ...

You can find it easily enough on Google. Type in Atheism images and you should see it eventually. Basically, the Christian guy is calling the atheist all sorts of names like scum, commie, immoral, and whatever, while hitting him with the cross (he never played Castlevania obviously or else he'd know that he has to throw it in order for its magical properties to awaken). But when the atheist threatens to break the cross, the Christian shouts for him to "show respect".
I put it up in response to Tergle's Treaty of Existence Thread. In which he went through his usual motions of short sentences, black propaganda, and taking people's responses (no matter what they are) as proof that he is right.

 

[razeontherock]

the Christian guy is calling the atheist all sorts of names like scum, commie, immoral, and whatever, while hitting him with the cross But when the atheist threatens to break the cross, the Christian shouts for him to "show respect".

 

[BleedingHeart]

I've seen funny ones about Dawkins too. About how he's a "you know what". Bless and not curse and that sort of thing. He really has a reputation for being a real huge jerk, which had always struck me as kind of a surprise.

 

[Gishin]

I see. you are coming from an atheist perspective.

I'm coming from a reality perspective.

 

[mandyangel]

Ya, I don't believe in using any types of birth control or baby killing drugs, birth control is just that, a synthetic man made means of controlling birth when only God should be allowed to control birth. Lots of women fall into the trap thinking that it doesn't actually kill the baby but think about it, it stops that live baby from growing and developing thus, it ends its life.

I don't think birth control is a good idea at all. I can't even imagine the billions of babies its killed.

 

[BleedingHeart]

Ya, I don't believe in using any types of birth control or baby killing drugs, birth control is just that, a synthetic man made means of controlling birth when only God should be allowed to control birth. Lots of women fall into the trap thinking that it doesn't actually kill the baby but think about it, it stops that live baby from growing and developing thus, it ends its life.

I don't think birth control is a good idea at all. I can't even imagine the billions of babies its killed.

Zero. Unless you are willing to count sperms cells and egg cells as babies. And even with no contraceptives only one cell out of 40 to 400 million survive. That would make the pathway from the opening to the ovaries the oldest contraceptive of all.

 

[razeontherock]

Zero. Unless you are willing to count sperms cells and egg cells as babies.

Ed Zackery. From the moment of conception on, I can see using terms like destruction or murder. Before that you could make a case for sin if you want, but destruction? I don't see how that holds water.

Enter a twist the unbelievers may not be aware of:

Abrahams's wife was barren well past normal childbearing years. This was during a time when it was common for men to mix a cocktail for their "favorite wife," to prevent pregnancy and thus keep her figure.

One way of looking at the point of Christianity is to receive Abraham's Blessing. Fair and balanced, but not the sort of thing mainstream Churches necessarily want anyone knowing about.

 

[Gishin]

Ya, I don't believe in using any types of birth control or baby killing drugs, birth control is just that, a synthetic man made means of controlling birth when only God should be allowed to control birth. Lots of women fall into the trap thinking that it doesn't actually kill the baby but think about it, it stops that live baby from growing and developing thus, it ends its life.

I don't think birth control is a good idea at all. I can't even imagine the billions of babies its killed.

God's will can be stopped by a pill?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Ya, I don't believe in using any types of birth control or baby killing drugs, birth control is just that, a synthetic man made means of controlling birth when only God should be allowed to control birth. Lots of women fall into the trap thinking that it doesn't actually kill the baby but think about it, it stops that live baby from growing and developing thus, it ends its life.

I don't think birth control is a good idea at all. I can't even imagine the billions of babies its killed.

It hasn't killed any babies. Condoms stop sperm from even meeting the egg, and the pill stops the egg from being released, so no conception has taken place - even the most fervent anti-abortion-er agrees that life starts at most as early as conception. What baby is killed in this case?

Things like the coil don't stop the sperm and egg from meeting, but stop it from implanting on the uterine wall. This happens naturally in most case (~70%, I believe). Again, what baby is killed? What is expelled from the woman is what she expels every month - a single cell.

So what baby is killed by contraception?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

God's will can be stopped by a pill?

Hey, haven't you heard? God only affects real life by making people win the lottery

 

[Chajara]

You will never convince me that the sex I have with my husband using contraception is somehow less meaningful than what we'll be having when we're in a position for me to actually get pregnant. I doubt you'll convince anyone else either.