Is Contraception Destructive?

[moonkitty]

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The divorce rate went up when unicorns disappeared (aliens upducted them). Geeze, it's easy to type!




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Divorce rates when up when we started importing more lemons from Mexico. Clearly it is a plot by Mexico lemon farmers to undermine American Society by secretly putting birth control in the lemons.

Wow, that was fun.

 

[moonkitty]

Ya, I don't believe in using any types of birth control or baby killing drugs, birth control is just that, a synthetic man made means of controlling birth when only God should be allowed to control birth. Lots of women fall into the trap thinking that it doesn't actually kill the baby but think about it, it stops that live baby from growing and developing thus, it ends its life.

I don't think birth control is a good idea at all. I can't even imagine the billions of babies its killed.

So every time someone uses a condom God kills a baby?

 

[patricius79]

Divorce rates when up when we started importing more lemons from Mexico..

it makes sense that contraception would be linked to divorce, given the way it is contrary to God's will

I thank God that He Infinitely Merciful, or I would give up

 

[Wiccan_Child]

it makes sense that contraception would be linked to divorce, given the way it is contrary to God's will

If it's contrary to God's will, what does it matter whether human courts declare it valid or not? If it's contrary to God's will, surely, in his eyes, two people will be married whether or not they get a divorce, whether or not they get remarried?

I thank God that He Infinitely Merciful, or I would give up

One wonders what you did when you heard about the Japanese earthquake, then...

 

[quatona]

no. but isn't the great increase in the divorce rate POSSIBLY linked to contraception

Yeah, with god everything is possible.

 

[BleedingHeart]

it makes sense that contraception would be linked to divorce, given the way it is contrary to God's will

I thank God that He Infinitely Merciful, or I would give up

Being an atheist is contrary to God's will but they have better marriage success than born again Christians.

 

[Fenny the Fox]

So every time someone uses a condom God kills a baby?

It is so simple, don't you see that that is true?

 

[patricius79]

Being an atheist is contrary to God's will but they have better marriage success than born again Christians.

I don't know about that.

I think that contraception is linked to abortion, divorce, fornication, single-parent child-rearing, etc.

Mother Teresa:

In destroying the power of giving life, through contraception, a husband or wife is doing something to self. This turns the attention to self and so it destroys the gifts of love in him or her. In loving, the husband and wife must turn the attention to each other as happens in natural family planning, and not to self, as happens in contraception. Once that living love is destroyed by contraception, abortion follows very easily.

 

[Chajara]

I don't know about that.

I think that contraception is linked to abortion, divorce, fornication, single-parent child-rearing, etc.

Mother Teresa:

In destroying the power of giving life, through contraception, a husband or wife is doing something to self. This turns the attention to self and so it destroys the gifts of love in him or her. In loving, the husband and wife must turn the attention to each other as happens in natural family planning, and not to self, as happens in contraception. Once that living love is destroyed by contraception, abortion follows very easily.

Except that Natural Family Planning still has the same goal in mind: Not getting pregnant. Sounds like contraception to me, you're just trying to time things instead of taking a pill or putting on a condom. So why is it still cool?

 

[BleedingHeart]

I don't know about that.

I think that contraception is linked to abortion, divorce, fornication, single-parent child-rearing, etc.

Mother Teresa:

In destroying the power of giving life, through contraception, a husband or wife is doing something to self. This turns the attention to self and so it destroys the gifts of love in him or her. In loving, the husband and wife must turn the attention to each other as happens in natural family planning, and not to self, as happens in contraception. Once that living love is destroyed by contraception, abortion follows very easily.

It doesn't matter what you think. It matters what you can prove. So far you've shown no credible link from contraception to marriage failure, which was the point of your thread. Goodbye.

 

[Gishin]

Natural family planning is one of the biggest cop outs I have ever heard of. If the intent is the same, why does the method matter?

 

[Beechwell]

Edward C. Green, director of the AIDS Prevention Research Project at the Harvard Center for Population and Development Studies says:

"There is a consistent association shown by our best studies, including the U.S.-funded ‘Demographic Health Surveys,’ between greater availability and use of condoms and higher (not lower) HIV-infection rates."
From Saint Peter’s Square to Harvard Square - Kathryn Jean Lopez - National Review Online

Since I think this merits some kind of response, I googled for scientific articles concerning "condoms" and "hiv infections". The first three articles I found that seemed relevant and were accessible where

Changes in sexual behavior and a decline in HIV in... [N Engl J Med. 1996] - PubMed result,
which attributes the decrease in prevalence of HIV among groups of men in Thailand to various government effords, but in particular the increased use of condoms.

Elsevier,
about the factors influencing consistent concom use among young men in Ghana. What I found noteworthy here was that most of the men that had used condoms in the past, didn't do so consistently, which of course undermines the whole idea.
Maybe if others found a lack negative correlation between condom use and hiv infections, it was because of a lack of proper education about the use of condoms, rather than their availability.

Change in sexual behaviour and decline in HIV infection amon... : AIDS,
about changes in sexual behavior and hiv infections in Uganda. This one reports a 9% decrease in casual sex, 30-40% increase in condom use (both among young men), and a 40% " decline in the rates of HIV seroprevalence among pregnant women". Assuming that the numbers for pregnant women are at least somewhat representative, this decrease cannot dominantly stem from the small decrease in casual sexual relationships alone.
Unfortunately though, I doubt those pregnant women can really be considered representative in this matter, so I would be careful with taking these results at face value. I don't know ift he article itself adresses this problem somewhere, though.

In any case, I did not find anything supporting the idea that condom use actually increases hiv prevalence (especially with proper and consistent condom use). I found it noteworthy, that one of patricius' links mentioned cicumcision as an important prevention method, which, according to all I've read is much less effective than proper condom use.
So i suspect the linked article of selective and misleading presentation of facts (if they are facts at all).

 

[Isambard]

no. but isn't the great increase in the divorce rate POSSIBLY linked to contraception

e.g., wouldn't people be more likely to divorce if they aren't having children early in the marriage?

isn't it possiblle that the Christian Church was/is right to condemn contraception?

It is also 'possible' that the Pope is in reality a giant cephalopod, come from Neptune on a secret mission to teach all the good little boys and girls of Australia about the importance of flossing.

Baseless assertions are fun.

 

[MoonLancer]

I don't know about that.

I think that contraception is linked to abortion, divorce, fornication, single-parent child-rearing, etc.

Mother Teresa:

In destroying the power of giving life, through contraception, a husband or wife is doing something to self. This turns the attention to self and so it destroys the gifts of love in him or her. In loving, the husband and wife must turn the attention to each other as happens in natural family planning, and not to self, as happens in contraception. Once that living love is destroyed by contraception, abortion follows very easily.

LOL abortion is lowest in countries that actually use contraception the most and highest in places that teach that contraception is wrong. The bible belt has the highest abortion rates and lowest use of safe sex and contraception.

 

[tulc]

I see. you are coming from an atheist perspective.

No, I'm pretty sure God doesn't agree with you either.
tulc(needs more coffee)

 

[tulc]

Ya, I don't believe in using any types of birth control or baby killing drugs, birth control is just that, a synthetic man made means of controlling birth when only God should be allowed to control birth. Lots of women fall into the trap thinking that it doesn't actually kill the baby but think about it, it stops that live baby from growing and developing thus, it ends its life.

...seriously?

I don't think birth control is a good idea at all. I can't even imagine the billions of babies its killed. (emph. added)

uhmmm that would be: "none" because it prevents conception.
tulc(is in need of more coffee ASAP!)

 

[MoonLancer]

I don't think birth control is a good idea at all. I can't even imagine the billions of babies its killed. (emph. added)

actually birth control is the preemptive alternative to abortions.

If you had a choice, abortions vs birth control which would you pick?

Statistics show there is a correlation between the two. Places with sex education and birth control have low abortion rates, vs those who don't use birth control. They have a much higher abortion rate.

Also are you saying condoms go against the very will of God? wow that was easy to do. Im going to take a Calvinist approach on this one and say birth control is the will of God stopping babies who should not come into the world.

After all God is willing to stop 7 out of 8 Conceptions.

 

[jayem]

I think that contraception is linked to abortion, divorce, fornication, single-parent child-rearing, etc.

You're entitled to think whatever you like. But you're wrong.

The biggest reason by far for the rise in divorce rates was the nationwide changeover to no-fault divorce proceedings. (Which, BTW, began in 1970, when California's no-fault divorce statute was signed into law by Gov. Ronald Reagan.)

It's incontrovertible that in developed countries, conscientious use of contraceptives is associated with less unintended pregnancy and abortion. (Comprehensive sex-ed also plays a role.) The experience of western European nations, especially the Netherlands, clearly shows this. The Netherlands has about half the rate of teen pregnancy, and 1/3 the rate of abortion that we do. And mostly because birth control is considered very important by Dutch society. Here's a PubMed abstract on the topic. Just read it and think about it.

 

[Ar Cosc]

Birth control does not lead to abortion. This is stupid, and many people have posted statistical evidence showing this in-thread.

And the OP has only suggested one method by whoch contraception could lead to divorce, that is, that couple might not have kids, and so not feel obliged to stay together. Tell me, how is society, or anyone in it, harmed by a childless couple who are no longer in love deciding to go their separate ways? Would you prefer there was a child involved to force a loveless marriage to stay together? Think about things before posting them!

 

[razeontherock]

You will never convince me that the sex I have with my husband using contraception is somehow less meaningful than what we'll be having when we're in a position for me to actually get pregnant. I doubt you'll convince anyone else either.

What does the Bible say?

"Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. 1 Cor 7:3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband. The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife. Defraud ye not one the other, except [it be] with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency."

The singular passage seeming to contradict this is the OT story of Onan, but none of us are in a position to need to create great numbers so our Nation doesn't get wiped out by war. Context is king, as always. Many Blessed years to your marriage, Chajara!