Is Contraception Destructive?

[CaliforniaJosiah]

well, it is true that the divorce rate doubled between 1965 and 85 as the use of contraceptives spread

Remember, back in high school, when you were taught, "Correlation does not imply causation?" You must have forgotten that....
Unless you can document a CAUSATIVE link, the statement is absolutely moot.


And until you document that "ALL Protestant groups condemned contraception prior to 1930," so is the premise of this thread.






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[Gishin]

Edward C. Green, director of the AIDS Prevention Research Project at the Harvard Center for Population and Development Studies says:

"There is a consistent association shown by our best studies, including the U.S.-funded ‘Demographic Health Surveys,’ between greater availability and use of condoms and higher (not lower) HIV-infection rates."
From Saint Peter’s Square to Harvard Square - Kathryn Jean Lopez - National Review Online

Stop the presses! A catholic going along with what the Pope says?!

 

[BleedingHeart]

Edward C. Green, director of the AIDS Prevention Research Project at the Harvard Center for Population and Development Studies says:

"There is a consistent association shown by our best studies, including the U.S.-funded ‘Demographic Health Surveys,’ between greater availability and use of condoms and higher (not lower) HIV-infection rates."
From Saint Peter’s Square to Harvard Square - Kathryn Jean Lopez - National Review Online

Cool. Did they explain why? What was the causation? Was the availability of condoms a direct factor or was it an in indirect factor? And come on man, the National Review? I sense a conflict of interest.

 

[Incariol]

"National Review Online" is not a research periodical. Original source plzkthxbai

 

[razeontherock]

Is this like how highway deaths have decreased in the past few years as we import more and more lemons from Mexico?

Lemons make highway use safer? What about the Ford Pinto?

 

[mpok1519]

Kids can be more destructive.

 

[BleedingHeart]

Lemons make highway use safer? What about the Ford Pinto?

Maybe it's because more people were drinking lemonade instead of driving. Or people were squirting it into each others eyes.

 

[patricius79]

Is this like how highway deaths have decreased in the past few years as we import more and more lemons from Mexico?

no. but isn't the great increase in the divorce rate POSSIBLY linked to contraception

e.g., wouldn't people be more likely to divorce if they aren't having children early in the marriage?

isn't it possiblle that the Christian Church was/is right to condemn contraception?

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

isn't it possiblle that the Christian Church was/is right to condemn contraception?

1. You haven't shown that The Christian Church was/is condemning of it. You've only shown that the RCC fully supports and teaches it (in another thread).


2. It's POSSIBLE that there are 6 billion cute furry critters living on the Moon of Endor. "Possible" doesn't support the premise of your post.





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[Gishin]

no. but isn't the great increase in the divorce rate POSSIBLY linked to contraception

e.g., wouldn't people be more likely to divorce if they aren't having children early in the marriage?

isn't it possiblle that the Christian Church was/is right to condemn contraception?

Isn't it possible that having chordal too soon or before they were ready would lead to divorce?

 

[razeontherock]

isn't it possiblle that the ... [RC] Church was/is right

As a point of ethics and morality, I find the very possibility (about anything) to be far-fetched

 

[razeontherock]

Isn't it possible that having chordal too soon or before they were ready would lead to divorce?

"Chordal: Of or relating to the strings of an instrument. 2. Relating to or consisting of a harmonic chord. 3. Giving prominence to harmonic rather than contrapuntal ..."

I've heard of a non-harmonious marriage, but I'm not sure this would make a firm legal stance

 

[BleedingHeart]

no. but isn't the great increase in the divorce rate POSSIBLY linked to contraception

e.g., wouldn't people be more likely to divorce if they aren't having children early in the marriage?

isn't it possiblle that the Christian Church was/is right to condemn contraception?

1. Possibly? I guess. But you still haven't explained the causation. Why would a condom or a pill make someone want to get a divorce?
2. A lot of people have gotten divorces with children. It probably doesn't have much of an effect. That has to do more with what's socially acceptable in the Western culture than contraception. If the couple grows to hate each other, or even distant, they are probably going to get a divorce. To hell with the kids.
3. Possibly. But sure as hell not very likely. So far they really entirely on faith-based reasoning and faulty logic, not to mention skewed surveys from the National Review.
4. Isn't it possible that you are an alien? And a troll?

 

[Gishin]

"Chordal: Of or relating to the strings of an instrument. 2. Relating to or consisting of a harmonic chord. 3. Giving prominence to harmonic rather than contrapuntal ..."

I've heard of a non-harmonious marriage, but I'm not sure this would make a firm legal stance

I typed children I swear. I was posting from my iphone, it does strange things sometimes.

 

[razeontherock]

I typed children I swear.

When the site censor function reverted to [bless and do not curse] I found out because Scripture I posted was FILLED with that I almost didn't even look back over my post, but it became thoroughly illegible. And staff couldn't find any technical glitch ...

 

[mpok1519]

no. but isn't the great increase in the divorce rate POSSIBLY linked to contraception

Not any more that it is possibly linked to teddy bears and unicorns.

e.g., wouldn't people be more likely to divorce if they aren't having children early in the marriage?

People divorce before, after, during having kids. People have kids before, after, and during their divorce. There is no link.

isn't it possiblle that the Christian Church was/is right to condemn contraception?

Nope. I believe the real reason why certain churches are against contraception bc it is closely linked to abortion, and bc the bible says "go forth and multiply", even though today we know that the earth cannot sustain every single human on earth procreating. The earth would die if everyone procreated.

 

[mpok1519]

I typed children I swear. I was posting from my iphone, it does strange things sometimes.

for real; when I tried to type "Osama" in my iphone, it spellchecked "Obama".

See, even the computers know hes a secret terrorist!

 

[patricius79]

1. Possibly? I guess. But you still haven't explained the causation. Why would a condom or a pill make someone want to get a divorce?
2. A lot of people have gotten divorces with children. It probably doesn't have much of an effect.

I think that contraception is tied to divorce because it introduces a divorce right into the marriage act. it prevents the full self-giving which is the only meaning of the act

Jill Stanek cites Stanford Demographer's understanding of why the divorce rate and contraceptive use are connected:

1. Those using contraceptives have fewer children and have them later in marriage. Statistical data shows that those who have their first baby in the first two years of marriage and another baby in the next two years of marriage have much longer lasting marriages than people who don’t. One reason is that there are other people in the family to care about and to stay a family unit for. Also, being a parent makes one a better person. One begins to care about things not cared about before One becomes more patient.
A Protestant analyzes contraception, part II

he also cites the rise in adultery tied to contraception and one other reason

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

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The divorce rate went up when unicorns disappeared (aliens upducted them). Geeze, it's easy to type!




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[BleedingHeart]

I think that contraception is tied to divorce because it introduces a divorce right into the marriage act. it prevents the full self-giving which is the only meaning of the act

Jill Stanek cites Stanford Demographer's understanding of why the divorce rate and contraceptive use are connected:

1. Those using contraceptives have fewer children and have them later in marriage. Statistical data shows that those who have their first baby in the first two years of marriage and another baby in the next two years of marriage have much longer lasting marriages than people who don’t. One reason is that there are other people in the family to care about and to stay a family unit for. Also, being a parent makes one a better person. One begins to care about things not cared about before One becomes more patient.
A Protestant analyzes contraception, part II

he also cites the rise in adultery tied to contraception and one other reason

1. Great, now do a study based on that. Until then, it's just speculation. And that and $4.19 will get you a gallon of gas. Here at least.
2. Once again, there is no causation. How can you prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the contraception was the significant factor?
Let me put it this way. You'd need a study between couples with similar demographics, personalities, and perspectives both on an individual as well as a cultural basis (as those are all potential factors). Have a hundred for instance. Give the first fifty contraceptions, and let the rest have nothing. If the second group has a higher success rate by 15% then we can talk.
3. Being a parent doesn't make you a better person by default. Being a parent just means not pulling out and getting lucky (or unlucky as far as I'm concerned). That's all there is to it. It's so easy, it's been documented kids aged as low as 12 can do. Millions of men abandon their children. Are they good parents?
4. So I was right, you were going to make some comment about condoms making people more promiscuousness.