Is Continuationism or Cessationism a hard doctrine to prove?

[W2L]

do you mean "Bible only" without any connection to an assembly of Christians?

No. I mean without sectarianism.

 

[Albion]

No. I mean without sectarianism.

If you belong to any church, aren't you a part of "sectarianism"?

 

[W2L]

If you belong to any church, aren't you a part of "sectarianism"?

Not necessarily. Let me rephrase the question with examples. Is bible alone, without Catholicism, bad? Or how about without any other denomination?

 

[JAL]

Hey i think the same way, even used the slap in the face example as well, when God touches you in that way there is not denying it.

I don't know how you can live a bible only gospel, reminds me of that pastor who after years of preaching he abandoned the gospel, he obviously didn't get touched by God.

Right. Meeting the Lord makes all the difference. I used to hear people talk about meeting Him, before I got saved, and didn't know what it meant. Until I met the Lord for myself. There was a distinct experience, a definite loudness, although I didn't really know how to describe it in such terms back then.

 

[Albion]

Not necessarily. Let me rephrase the question with examples. Is bible alone, without Catholicism, bad? Or how about without any other denomination?

Meaning, I take it, no association with any Christian congregation. Sectarianism would be preferable to that IMO.

 

[W2L]

How does one meet on the outside that which is within?

 

[W2L]

Meaning, I take it, no association with any Christian congregation. Sectarianism would be preferable to that IMO.

Not at all. If that were so would i be talking to you now?

 

[NBB]

Bible only, without sectarianism, is this bad?

Bible only as depending on the bible for everything and not listening or experiening anything what God has to say.

 

[W2L]

Bible only as depending on the bible for everything and not listening or experiening anything what God has to say.

After reading my posts thats your conclusion? Didnt i mention God writing on our hearts? I have joy inside as well.

 

[NBB]

After reading my posts thats your conclusion? Didnt i mention God writing on our hearts? I have joy inside as well.

I thought you wanted clarification on my post. But a lot of people think if they experience something, that is not 'faith' and make it seem is something bad. I think our experience with God should be more than our knowledge of the bible.

 

[W2L]

I think our experience with God should be more than our knowledge of the bible.

It should be God writing on our hearts.

 

[NBB]

It should be God writing on our hearts.

Anything that God does to us is very good to have.

 

[W2L]

I thought you wanted clarification on my post.

A misunderstanding on my part i think.

 

[W2L]

Anything that God does to us is very good to have.

But is it God? Or mans tradition?

 

[NBB]

But is it God? Or mans tradition?

If you mean the gifts because is the topic then the only experience i have is a preacher that told me everything i was thinking several times and things about myself (things in my interior), if that doesn't show that he had discerment of spirits or discerment in the holy spirit then i can't help you, he also knew things about me and my family (prophecy) that he had no way to know. It was very impressive.

 

[JAL]

So do you hear more than one person (yourself) speaking in your head?

A couple of verses worth mentioning here. John 10:27 isn't the only verse. Three times Hebrews alluded to hearing God's voice 'Today' suggesting that 'Today' is eternal( Heb 3:7, 15; 4:7).

Another verse, often overlooked, is Eph 4:21, "If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus." What do the commentators say about this verse?

Vincent’s Word Studies commented on Eph 4:21, "Him is emphatic…it was Him that ye heard. Compare Jn 10:27."

Almost verbatim The Jamieson, Fausset, Brown Commentary on Eph 4:21 stated, "The Him‘ is emphatic: ‗heard Himself,‘ not merely heard about him."

The People’s New Testament Commentary on 4:21 finds here no "doubt that they had heard and been taught by Christ."

John Wesley read 4:21 as "heard Him teaching you inwardly by his Spirit."

The Matthew Henry Commentary on 4:21 accepts this translation,"have been taught by him, inwardly and effectually by his Spirit."

According to Charles Hodge‘s Commentary on Ephesians at 4:21, " it does not mean to hear about him but rather recalls what it means ―to hear the voice of God or Christ."

 

[W2L]

If you mean the gifts because is the topic then the only experience i have is a preacher that told me everything i was thinking several times and things about myself (things in my interior), if that doesn't show that he had discerment of spirits or discerment in the holy spirit then i can't help you, he also knew things about me and my family (prophecy) that he had no way to know. It was very impressive.

I dont follow such things. Many will say they did miracles in Jesus name but will be rejected as law breakers who didnt heed the commands of Christ.

 

[Saint Steven]

I think we can suspect insanity in many who claim the gift. With others it's just a wild imagination they have not learned to control.

Which of these gifts do you claim are no longer in operation? (name all that apply)

- a message of wisdom
- a message of knowledge
- prophecy
- prophetic tongues
- interpretation of prophetic tongues
- distinguishing between spirits



1 Corinthians 12:7-11
Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8 To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues. 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.

 

[W2L]

A couple of verses worth mentioning here. John 10:27 isn't the only verse. Three times Hebrews alluded to hearing God's voice 'Today' suggesting that 'Today' is eternal( Heb 3:7, 15; 4:7).

Another verse, often overlooked, is Eph 4:21, "If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus." What do the commentators say about this verse?

Vincent’s Word Studies commented on Eph 4:21, "Him is emphatic…it was Him that ye heard. Compare Jn 10:27."

Almost verbatim The Jamieson, Fausset, Brown Commentary on Eph 4:21 stated, "The Him‘ is emphatic: ‗heard Himself,‘ not merely heard about him."

The People’s New Testament Commentary on 4:21 finds here no "doubt that they had heard and been taught by Christ."

"John Wesley read 4:21 as "heard Him teaching you inwardly by his Spirit."

The Matthew Henry Commentary on 4:21 accepts this translation,"have been taught by him, inwardly and effectually by his Spirit."

According to Charles Hodge‘s Commentary on Ephesians at 4:21, " it does not mean to hear about him but rather recalls what it means ―to hear the voice of God or Christ."

Those scriptures dont necessarily refer to voices in our head.

 

[NBB]

I dont follow such things. Many will say they did miracles in Jesus name but will be rejected as law breakers who didnt heed the commands of Christ.

Making miracles don't automatically says you are doing things wrong you know, actually it says you are doing well, if God backs you up something right you are doing,

People who don't do miracles in God name can be rejected as well you know.