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Featured Is "Christian Counseling" really Christian?

Discussion in 'Christian Philosophy & Ethics' started by SteveIndy, Aug 15, 2018.

  1. SteveIndy

    SteveIndy Active Member Supporter

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    Is "Christian Counseling" really Christian? If psychological counseling is Christian then why has it only recently appeared (last 100 years or less)? And, why was it only discovered by atheist and then adapted for Christian use?
     
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  2. Chinchilla

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    If it's using God's word then yes , IMO that's the job of pastor to consuel you and should be done for free aswell .
     
  3. dysert

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    "Christian Counseling" is an ambiguous term (to me). Does it mean counseling performed by a Christian? Counseling to a Christian? Or counseling done from a Christian world view? And where did you learn that it was first discovered by an atheist?
     
  4. grasping the after wind

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    Are Christian altars really Christian? Altars were discovered by pagans and then adapted for Christian use. Same with the wheel, use of fire, chairs, holidays, prayer, etc. Something becomes Christian if it is adapted for Christian use. There are a multitude of things that were discovered by non Christians that we could not survive without. Adapting them for Christ's purposes takes the profane and sanctifies them.
     
  5. AnnaDeborah

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    Depends on the counselling - if it is done by a Christian, and firmly rooted in the Bible, then yes, it is Christian. Never assume the counselling is Christian just because it is 'labelled' Christian though - I've come across some very dodgy ideas masquerading as 'Christian' counselling!!!
     
  6. Dave-W

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    There are many types of Christian counseling. I seriously doubt (if you bother to investigate the approaches) that any of them could be tied to an atheist.

    Nouthetic - strict (cessationist) bible based counseling
    Theophostic - relies on the Holy Spirit to reveal lies and seeks to correct them with biblical truth
    Elijah House - Relies on holy spirit revelation for all kinds of issues. (charismatic gift of Word of Knowledge)
     
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  7. dysert

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    There's also nouthetic counseling, which is counseling strictly from the Bible. There's no question where on the Christian spectrum that lands. (I was getting nouthetic counseling for a while but dropped out - too intense.)
     
  8. Dave-W

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    Wrong. The Altar was described by God to be in the tabernacle/Temple. Its roots are firmly Godly.
     
  9. grasping the after wind

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    What you say is most likely true. I've no experience with Christian counseling, but I have heard some dodgy ideas labelled as Christian theology so why would one simply assume that all things labelled Christian counseling would be aptly named.
     
  10. grasping the after wind

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    If one is to believe archeological evidence, there were pagan altars centuries before God authorized their use for the Israelites and even the Israelite altars would not be considered Christian altars. Even if one rejects archeological evidence , my point is not about altars per se but that any manifestation of human creativity, no matter who first came up with it, becomes Christian when it is used by Christians to further the glory of God.
     
  11. Dave-W

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    Including the altar that Able sacrificed the firstlings of his flock?
    Only if you take the erroneous viewpoint of a hard break between the Mosaic and New Covenants.
    IMO that can only go so far. Can someone abuse drugs in the name of Christianity (American Mind Expansionist Church) or can there be Christian Missionary prostitutes? (a common evangelical tool of the Children of God cult)
     
  12. JoeP222w

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    Depends on how you are using the words, "Christian Counseling".

    Also, psychological counseling is not evil in and of itself, as long as it is under submission to the word of God.

    Also, just because something was discovered by an Atheist, does that mean it is automatically evil? Please note, I am not taking the side of Atheism by any means. God uses all things for His glory, even that which is "discovered" by Atheists. God gives the Atheist knowledge, the Atheist suppresses and twists that knowledge.
     
  13. seeking.IAM

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    "Christian Counseling" is a sketchy term. In its most truthful form I think it means using Christian scripture, tradition, belief, and practice as a primary or fundamental part of the helping process. Too often I encounter it as a marketing ploy, a label to capture a market segment to ensure a steady stream of clients.

    I say this as a psychotherapist who has worked in secular agencies with peers who now work as Christian Counselors. I know how they practice, and unfortunately I know of the behind-the-scene stuff of how they live their lives. There are those that would disappoint you if you knew.

    I work in a faith-based agency as well as for a for-profit private practice. I practice the same at both sites. My faith has everything to do with why I do what I do, but not how I go about doing it. I use evidence-based treatment strategies supported by a body of research demonstrating effectiveness. I tell inquirers who ask that I'm a counselor who is a Christian, not a Christian counselor. There is a difference.
     
  14. seeking.IAM

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    In further reflection, I think my earlier response did not fully touch OP's question. I say yes; Christian counseling is Christian when done genuinely. We are commanded to love our neighbors as ourselves. Is not a Christian Counselor trying to help a fellow Christian practicing love for his/her neighbor? I think that is quite Christian.
     
  15. Southernscotty

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    Biblical counseling is wonderful, I use it as a treatment plan for whom I counsel.
    It is using bible scripture and pointing out the sin in ones life as well as God's amazing grace that is available by releasing those issues to God.
    I believe we have have the answer to all of mankind's problems in scripture if we just seek it out.
    The biggest problem is that sinners don't like to hear that they are sinners and they get offended when you point it out.
     
  16. FireDragon76

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    To paraphrase Martin Luther, a Christian shoemaker should make a good shoe at a fair price, not a bad shoe with a cross on it. In other words, associating "Christian" with bad ideas is not the proper vocation for a Christian.
     
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  17. grasping the after wind

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    There is no reason to assume there was such a thing as an altar when Able brought his offering to the Lord.
    or perhaps if one actually finds words like Christian to have specific meanings.

    Did you miss the " to the glory of God" part?
     
  18. Dave-W

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    They thought they were doing it "to the glory of God." at least the Children of God did.

    IMO the mind expansionists just wanted a legal loophole to drop acid and not get busted.
     
  19. Dave-W

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    Yeah. It is the Greek version of Messianic. As in Messianic JUDAISM.
     
  20. usexpat97

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    You can't paint all Christian counselors with one brush. Some are good, some are not. Some truly are Christian, some are not. From my personal experience, though, I personally found pastors to be generally better counselors. My experience hasn't been as positive with psyche majors who go into counseling. I would gladly pay most pastors the same rates most counselors charge.
     
  21. FireDragon76

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    Mainline churches like Catholics, Episcopalians, Lutherans, etc., often fund mental health services in major cities. Usually these folks are trained in clinical psychology but they are willing to pray with people and offer spiritual direction. But their primary focus isn't religious.

    On the other hand, there are kinds of "Christian counselling" that are little more than brainwashing or thought reform.
     
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