Is celebrating xmas a sin??

[Meowzltov]

Just not an accurate time. Habits are hard to break for some people, even with evidence to the contrary.

It's not supposed to be his actual day of birth. It' simply supposed to be a day set aside to remember it.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

So what's the truth about x-mas!

It's practiced today as something not found in Scripture, anywhere.
in Scripture nothing is like it except idolatry (and worse).

Whether or not someone in the past (or on earth today)
could actually 'do' x-mas without sinning grievously
is a paradox at best.

 

[Albion]

It's practiced today as something not found in Scripture, anywhere.
in Scripture nothing is like it except idolatry (and worse).

So now the focus seems to have been shifted by you from whether it's right to be celebrating Christ's birth...and on which day...to not approving of the particular ceremonies.

But if this is indeed your complaint, virtually NO Christian worship service is identical to that of the OT Hebrews. Should be all consider our worship to be pagan, therefore?

 

[pat34lee]

So now the focus seems to have been shifted by you from whether it's right to be celebrating Christ's birth...and on which day...to not approving of the particular ceremonies.

But if this is indeed your complaint, virtually NO Christian worship service is identical to that of the OT Hebrews. Should be all consider our worship to be pagan, therefore?

Most likely. Why do you think he spent the time to tell Moses
this is what I want, and how I want you to worship me? Don't
add to it and don't take away from it. So that a couple thousand
years later, believers could say, it's been fulfilled so I don't have
to do it any more? Only to put the law back in place during the
millennial reign? Is God psychotic?

 

[Albion]

Most likely.

Thanks for answering, but the idea that it's pagan for Christians to so much as commemorate the birth of the Savior strikes me as being without merit.

 

[Linet Kihonge]

Actually, after all has been said and done, the only day, I have left is Shabbat. I don't live with a Messianic Jew as to understand how the Pasach is Celebrated or the Sukkot, so I'm lost, after all I don't come from a place that is oriented to MJ's customs on how to do it or in their ways. I have no one whom I can share with these occasions

 

[Linet Kihonge]

We are not pagans, the date is too pagan to be of Christ's!

 

[Albion]

We are not pagans, the date is too pagan to be of Christ's!

The date is just a date. What's done on that day or why it was selected are the issues.

 

[Linet Kihonge]

Why are we putting a burden on people who don't understand half of the things we've ended up doing. You know well, where all this started and the denom behind some of these traditions. I'm shocked that we still hold on to paganism in the name of YHWH but it's high time we moved on. We can't keep going back and forth on what was the LORD's and what was something else. So the current churches are 80% lost on the laws and feasts of Torah because they were all replaced with weird traditions. Just look at half of the things that denomination does and tell me how much of it is traceable to any Hebrew Bible!

Thanks for answering, but the idea that it's pagan for Christians to so much as commemorate the birth of the Savior strikes me as being without merit.

 

[pat34lee]

Thanks for answering, but the idea that it's pagan for Christians to so much as commemorate the birth of the Savior strikes me as being without merit.

Of course it does. It makes all worldly sense.
But when did God tell you to do it?

 

[Albion]

Of course it does. It makes all worldly sense.
But when did God tell you to do it?

First, that isn't the question we have been discussing. The topic has been whether or not it's continuing a pagan holiday and a sin.

Second, there are all sorts of practices we do as Christians for which God did not explicitly say "DO THIS." That doesn't make them pagan. For example, we conduct weddings in church, we use printed bulletins, we have electronic amplification for the sermon, etc. etc. etc.

 

[visionary]

Actually, after all has been said and done, the only day, I have left is Shabbat. I don't live with a Messianic Jew as to understand how the Pasach is Celebrated or the Sukkot, so I'm lost, after all I don't come from a place that is oriented to MJ's customs on how to do it or in their ways. I have no one whom I can share with these occasions

Can you not just obey God and let you and Him by yourselves have a day together? This dependence on religious institutions to dictate the activities is not something God requires in order to obey Him.

 

[danny ski]

Right or not, I enjoy Xmas. Lots of pretty lights, people are nicer and, of course, the time off that can be used for skiing or a quick trip South.

 

[Alithis]

So I am finding out that xmas is a sin, is it??

Unveiling the Christmas Storyi
By Shannon Achey
The festival of Christmas was celebrated by pagan
sun worshipers long before Yeshua Messiah was ever born.
It was originally called Saturnalia, or Paganalia. A great
compromise started when the early Christians at Rome
sought for a way to convert more pagans into Christianity.
They knew that the pagans celebrated Saturnalia in late
December, so they set the birth date of Yeshua to fall at
that time. These pagans worshiped their sun god on
December 25, as they kept the festival of Saturnalia. So the
church at Rome set Yeshua’s birth date to be on December
25. They believed that this was a way to gain more converts
to Messiah. However, their intent was to increase the size of
the Roman church. This act allowed two major religions to
become united, and everyone was happy, except for YHWH!
This was one of many compromises done to keep peace
between the different religions.
"After the triumph of Constantine, the church at
Rome assigned December 25 as the date for the
celebration of the feast (Messiah’s birth), possibly
about 320 A. D. or 353 A. D. By the end of the fourth
century the whole Christian world was celebrating
Christmas on that day…. The choice of December 25
was probably influenced by the fact that on this day
the Romans celebrated the Mithraic feast of their sungod
(Mithras), and that SATURNALIA also came at this
time", from Collier's Encyclopedia.

Our Father says very clearly do not take a pagan feast and change it to worship Him.

And he did give us specific days that are Holy to Him
Liv23.

Jer
10:3 For the customs of the people are vanity. For one cuts a tree out
of the forest with the axe, the work of the hands of the craftsman.
Jer 10:4 They adorn it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and hammers, so that it will not wobble.
Jer
10:5 They are upright as the palm tree, and they cannot speak; carrying
they must be carried, because they cannot walk. Do not be afraid of
them, for they cannot do evil, neither is it in them to do good†.

To those that did so in ignorance it was not sin.
To those that do so even after being goaded in thier conscience about it..it has become sin,for they disobey their god given conscience.to others its a matter of degrees of conscience as they learn of it....

 

[Albion]

Yes, it is. The winter solstice has always been
a festival for pagan sun worshipers.
And Jesus was born in the spring, not winter.

At the time Xmas was set, the thinking was NOT that he was born in the spring, and the holiday is NOT the winter solstice by another name, so you're wrong on all counts.

 

[visionary]

Zacharias was of the "course" of Abia.

Now each one of the 24 "courses" of priests would begin and end their service in the Temple on the Sabbath, a tour of duty being for one week (2 Chr 23:8, 1 Chr 9:25). Other than this schedule, three festivals also called all hands on deck and they were Unleavened Bread, Pentecost, and Tabernacles (Deut 16:16). So what was Zach doing out of "course" and doing the High Priest duty that year?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_High_Priests_of_Israel

• Matthias ben Theophilus, 5-4 BC[10]
• Joazar ben Boethus, 4 BC
• Eleazar ben Boethus, 4-3 BC
• Joshua ben Sie, 3 BC - ?
• Joazar ben Boethus (restored), ? - 6 AD

 

[dfw69]

Yes, it is. The winter solstice has always been
a festival for pagan sun worshipers.
And Jesus was born in the spring, not winter.

Are Christians worshiping the sun or Jesus on Christmas Day?

 

[dfw69]

I'm having a trouble thread http://www.christianforums.com/thre...ough-torah-unblemished.7959075/#post-69975665 and I need someone to explain the real sins behind carving out images.

From my understanding God is a jealous God and does not want us to worship another or in ignorance like a false idol and teaching others to stray away from the love of god which leads to death and separation of all he has for humankind

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Are Christians worshiping the sun or Jesus on Christmas Day?

Realizing "worship" = "serve"
how is anyone
serving(obeying Yhwh's Word) Jesus,
or serving the sun(however that would be) ,
in any case ?

 

[dfw69]

Realizing "worship" = "serve"
how is anyone
serving(obeying Yhwh's Word) Jesus,
or serving the sun(however that would be) ,
in any case ?

Serving Jesus is to obey his commandment love forgive judge not condemn not ect.... So do people stop obeying his commandments on Christmas Day to serve the sun? If so then yes Christmas is pagan