Is Carbon Dioxide Just a Normal Part of the Atmosphere?

[Dale]

Over a thousand religious pilgrims have died of heat stroke in Mecca, news outlets tell us.

I have not seen a cartoon of the oceans boiling but that would be far more accurate than most of the editorial cartoons that I do see.

The evidence of global warming is all around us, yet I am often stunned by the arrogance of those who deny that it exists. At the least, many deny that global warming is caused by human activity.

One of the lines we hear is that carbon dioxide is just a part of the atmosphere. It is always been there and so is nothing to worry about. It is beneficial to plants. This notion has just enough truth in it to be dangerous. Is CO2 always harmless?


Contrary to this cheerful picture, carbon dioxide actually has a “permissible exposure limit” in workplaces.

<< The levels of CO2 in the air and potential health problems are ...

• 2,000–5,000 ppm: level associated with headaches, sleepiness, and stagnant, stale, stuffy air. Poor concentration, loss of attention, increased heart rate and slight nausea may also be present.

5,000 ppm: this indicates unusual air conditions where high levels of other gases could also be present. Toxicity or oxygen deprivation could occur. This is the permissible exposure limit for daily workplace exposures. >>

From a different source:

<< At 4%, CO2 levels can be fatal. >>

Why is CO2 potentially fatal to humans? It triggers the exhale reflex in the lungs. Above a certain level of CO2, you can only exhale.

The connection between carbon dioxide and global warming is straightforward to anyone who knows anything about chemistry. Carbon dioxide is O=C=O, oxygen double bond carbon, double bond oxygen. The carbon-oxygen double bond absorbs infrared rays on a wavelength crucial to the earth’s climate. Machines are in use every day that make use of this fact, namely infrared spectrometers.



Links
Toxicity: Wisconsin Department of Health Services
https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/chemical/carbondioxide.htm#:~:text=5%2C000%20ppm%3A%20this%20indicates%20unusual,harmful%20due%20to%20oxygen%20deprivation

Fatal Level at 4%

Carbon Dioxide Levels Chart

Discover what safe, elevated, and dangerous CO2 levels mean with our carbon dioxide levels chart. Learn how CO2 impacts indoor air quality and when action is needed.

www.co2meter.com

 

[chevyontheriver]

Over a thousand religious pilgrims have died of heat stroke in Mecca, news outlets tell us.

I have not seen a cartoon of the oceans boiling but that would be far more accurate than most of the editorial cartoons that I do see.

The evidence of global warming is all around us, yet I am often stunned by the arrogance of those who deny that it exists. At the least, many deny that global warming is caused by human activity.

One of the lines we hear is that carbon dioxide is just a part of the atmosphere. It is always been there and so is nothing to worry about. It is beneficial to plants. This notion has just enough truth in it to be dangerous. Is CO2 always harmless?


Contrary to this cheerful picture, carbon dioxide actually has a “permissible exposure limit” in workplaces.

<< The levels of CO2 in the air and potential health problems are ...

• 2,000–5,000 ppm: level associated with headaches, sleepiness, and stagnant, stale, stuffy air. Poor concentration, loss of attention, increased heart rate and slight nausea may also be present.

5,000 ppm: this indicates unusual air conditions where high levels of other gases could also be present. Toxicity or oxygen deprivation could occur. This is the permissible exposure limit for daily workplace exposures. >>

From a different source:

<< At 4%, CO2 levels can be fatal. >>

Why is CO2 potentially fatal to humans? It triggers the exhale reflex in the lungs. Above a certain level of CO2, you can only exhale.

The connection between carbon dioxide and global warming is straightforward to anyone who knows anything about chemistry. Carbon dioxide is O=C=O, oxygen double bond carbon, double bond oxygen. The carbon-oxygen double bond absorbs infrared rays on a wavelength crucial to the earth’s climate. Machines are in use every day that make use of this fact, namely infrared spectrometers.



Links
Toxicity: Wisconsin Department of Health Services
https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/chemical/carbondioxide.htm#:~:text=5%2C000%20ppm%3A%20this%20indicates%20unusual,harmful%20due%20to%20oxygen%20deprivation

Fatal Level at 4%

Carbon Dioxide Levels Chart

Discover what safe, elevated, and dangerous CO2 levels mean with our carbon dioxide levels chart. Learn how CO2 impacts indoor air quality and when action is needed.

www.co2meter.com

What percentage of our air is CO2 right now?

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

What percentage of our air is CO2 right now?

0.04 %. Also CO2 is in the list of greenhouse effect gases the lowest it is the lowest of that list with a relative value of 1.

Basically to visualize, lay on a table ten thousand pennies, 4 pennies out of the ten thousand, will represent 0.04% atmospheric CO2.
100 years ago, is was 0.03%, or 3 pennies out of the ten thousands...

 

[chevyontheriver]

0.04 %. Also CO2 is in the list of greenhouse effect gases the lowest it is the lowest of that list with a relative value of 1.

Basically to visualize, lay on a table ten thousand pennies, 4 pennies out of the ten thousand, will represent 0.04% atmospheric CO2.
100 years ago, is was 0.03%, or 3 pennies out of the ten thousands...

How dangerous is Dihydrogen Oxide by comparison? It is also known as Dihydrogen Monoxide and as Hydric Acid.

 

[Tuur]

How dangerous is Dihydrogen Oxide by comparison? It is also known as Dihydrogen Monoxide and as Hydric Acid.

(Gets some popcorn and settles back to watch the fun).

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

How dangerous is Dihydrogen Oxide by comparison? It is also known as Dihydrogen Monoxide and as Hydric Acid.

Lol, It is harmless and necessary for life, also known as water... LOL it is present in the atmosphere in vapour form varying concentration from about 2.5 to 5%, the GWP ( global warming potential) for this gas is 300 times more than CO2 and has an index of 300.... you can then see by yourself if is it more or less the involved in global warming or not...or simply a part of it or not... Lol.

By the way CO2 is also essential for life. Below 0.012 % all plant life dies and us also a few years later, all life need CO2, it is the building block of all life on earth.

Cheers.

 

[Dale]

0.04 %. Also CO2 is in the list of greenhouse effect gases the lowest it is the lowest of that list with a relative value of 1.

Basically to visualize, lay on a table ten thousand pennies, 4 pennies out of the ten thousand, will represent 0.04% atmospheric CO2.
100 years ago, is was 0.03%, or 3 pennies out of the ten thousands...

Lol, It is harmless and necessary for life, also known as water... LOL it is present in the atmosphere in vapour form varying concentration from about 2.5 to 5%, the GWP ( global warming potential) for this gas is 300 times more than CO2 and has an index of 300.... you can then see by yourself if is it more or less the involved in global warming or not...or simply a part of it or not... Lol.

By the way CO2 is also essential for life. Below 0.012 % all plant life dies and us also a few years later, all life need CO2, it is the building block of all life on earth.

Cheers.

FollowerForever, hello, since I don’t think we have met before. You seem to think I am exaggerating the significance of carbon dioxide. Consider the following.

<< For climate change, the most important greenhouse gas is carbon dioxide, which is why you hear so many references to “carbon” when people talk about climate change. There are three main reasons CO2 is so central to the global warming happening today. First, there is just so much of it: we now add over 35 billion tons of CO2 to the atmosphere every year, mostly by burning carbon-rich fuel like coal and oil that had previously been trapped in the ground. Second, it lasts a long time in the atmosphere. The CO2 we emit today will stay above us reflecting heat for hundreds of years. >>

Link
https://climate.mit.edu/explainers/greenhouse-gases


<< More than 99% of climate scientists attribute the increase in global temperature over the past 30-40 years to greenhouse gases that humans have been adding to the atmosphere since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution in the 1700s. The great majority of these scientists agree that if this warming continues, it presents significant risks to humankind and all life on Earth: to our cities and towns, our water and food supplies, and our health. >>

Link
Climate Science, Risk & Solutions

In case you didn’t notice, both of these links are from MIT, Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

I explained how insignificant the concentration of CO2 is in the atmosphere, 300 ppm in 1900 or 420 ppm today is still insignificant. CO2 truly has the lowest GWP of all atmospheric gases in that list search for it yourself and see.

 

[Dale]

I explained how insignificant the concentration of CO2 is in the atmosphere, 300 ppm in 1900 or 420 ppm today is still insignificant. CO2 truly has the lowest GWP of all atmospheric gases in that list search for it yourself and see.

You explained???

May I point out that I have cited four sources of information with links in this thread. You haven't cited any. Why would I believe that you know more than the scientists at MIT, for starters?

 

[Dale]

Lol, It is harmless and necessary for life, also known as water... LOL it is present in the atmosphere in vapour form varying concentration from about 2.5 to 5%, the GWP ( global warming potential) for this gas is 300 times more than CO2 and has an index of 300.... you can then see by yourself if is it more or less the involved in global warming or not...or simply a part of it or not... Lol.

By the way CO2 is also essential for life. Below 0.012 % all plant life dies and us also a few years later, all life need CO2, it is the building block of all life on earth.

Cheers.

FollowerForever: "By the way CO2 is also essential for life. Below 0.012 % all plant life dies and us also a few years later, all life need CO2, it is the building block of all life on earth."

You can die from too much salt or too little salt. Maybe you should think of carbon dioxide the same way.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

You explained???

May I point out that I have cited four sources of information with links in this thread. You haven't cited any. Why would I believe that you know more than the scientists at MIT, for starters?

I can cite hundreds of scientific articles that say the contrary but you will have to look for yourself, many experts say it is not co2. I am not denying there is a problem with the climate right now so you know. you believe these sources of info, I believe differently. I have been looking at this for bout 15 years now, I have a good understanding on this topic.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

FollowerForever: "By the way CO2 is also essential for life. Below 0.012 % all plant life dies and us also a few years later, all life need CO2, it is the building block of all life on earth."

You can die from too much salt or too little salt. Maybe you should think of carbon dioxide the same way.

here is one article that you will never see in mainstream media..thousands like this if you dig a bit even from NASA, they explain how the sun cycles are responsible for natural ongoing climate changes.

Climate Expert: It’s Going To Get Colder ‘Global Warming Will Be Dead By 2030’​

Climate Expert: It's Going To Get Colder 'Global Warming Will Be Dead By 2030'

Professor David Dilley said there have been multiple global warming and cooling cycles throughout Earth’s history.

thepeoplesvoice.tv

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

here is something absolutely responsible for abnormal weather patterns this is intentionally
man made. it means this chemtrains make clouds ( cloud seeding) clouds ate water vapour, the GWP index is 300, or 300 times more than co2....atmospheric concentration 2.5 to 5% depending on humidity levels...

Met Office Confirms The Existence Of Chemtrails​

Met Office Confirms The Existence Of Chemtrails

The UK's met office admits to injecting the atmosphere with aerosols

thepeoplesvoice.tv

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

Chemtrail Bans Introduced In 7 States Now That Republicans Have Solved All The Real Problems​

click below on the blue MSN

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www.msn.com

 

[Dale]

The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and
fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down upon the earth.
A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were
burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.
Revelation 8:7 NIV


People who think that global warming isn’t a serious problem need to take a look at this passage. We cannot overlook the possibility that “all the green grass was burned up,” together with much of the earth, applies to our time.

 

[chevyontheriver]

The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and
fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down upon the earth.
A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were
burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.
Revelation 8:7 NIV


People who think that global warming isn’t a serious problem need to take a look at this passage. We cannot overlook the possibility that “all the green grass was burned up,” together with much of the earth, applies to our time.

People used to think that was referring to nuclear war. Now some thing it’s global warming. In ten years there will be another theory.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and
fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down upon the earth.
A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were
burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.
Revelation 8:7 NIV


People who think that global warming isn’t a serious problem need to take a look at this passage. We cannot overlook the possibility that “all the green grass was burned up,” together with much of the earth, applies to our time.

I agree it is a serious problem and is starting to look like rev 8:7 and will get worse. we are closer to the return of Christ, the signs are all around us as written

The Great Day of the Lord​

Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Mal 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
Mal 4:4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
Mal 4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

also in Isaiah;

Isa 30:26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.
Isa 30:27 Behold, the name of the LORD cometh from far, burning withhis anger, and the burden thereof isheavy: his lips are full of indignation, and his tongue as a devouring fire:

 

[Dale]

Why would anyone be against clean energy? By clean energy I mean energy production that does not pollute in the usual sense or add carbon dioxide to the atmosphere.

First, to understand the following story, what is a gigawatt, or what can you do with one? A gigawatt is a billion watts, and one gigawatt is normally enough to power about 750,000 homes.

Story:

US solar power capacity to expand by record 32 gigawatts in 2023, report says​

By ReutersSeptember 7, 2023

“The U.S. solar industry expects to add a record 32 gigawatts (GW) of production capacity this year, up 53% on new capacity in 2022 and helped by investment incentives under the Inflation Reduction Act ...”

“The report by the Solar Energy Industries Association (SEIA) and Wood Mackenzie estimated total operating solar capacity would grow from 153 GW currently to 375 GW by 2028 …”

Solar power lowers the cost of electricity because there is no fuel cost.


Link
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-solar-power-capacity-expand-by-record-32-gigawatts-2023-report-2023-09-07/

 

[Tuur]

Solar power lowers the cost of electricity because there is no fuel cost.

Not quite. The cost is higher due to the price of the panels. Payback is on the order of 20 - 30 years, not including maintenance. How many of those panels will require replacement after the end of the payback time is an open question.

Energy storage isn't included in this expense. Unfortunately, solar doesn't work well in the dark and cloud cover can diminish output. To make both solar and wind live up to their potential, you need some way to store that electricity for when output is less than optimal or non-existent. While there's various schemes for doing so, there isn't enough to back up installed capacity.

 

[Palmfever]

Air, mixture of gases comprising the Earth’s atmosphere. The mixture contains a group of gases of nearly constant concentrations and a group with concentrations that are variable in both space and time. The atmospheric gases of steady concentration (and their proportions in percentage by volume) are as follows:

nitrogen (N2)	78.084
oxygen (O2)	20.946
argon (Ar)	0.934
neon (Ne)	0.0018
helium (He)	0
methane (CH4)	0.0002
krypton (Kr)	0.000114
hydrogen (H2)	0.00005
nitrous oxide (N2O)	0.00005
xenon (Xe)	0.0000087

The uniformity of composition is maintained by mixing associated with atmospheric motions; but, above a height of about 90 km (55 miles), diffusional processes become more important than mixing, and the lighter gases (hydrogen and helium, in particular) are more abundant above that level.
Of the gases present in variable concentrations, water vapour, ozone, carbon dioxide, sulfur dioxide, and nitrogen dioxide are of principal importance. The typical concentration ranges of these gases (in percentage by volume) are as follows:

water vapour (H2O)	0 to 7
carbon dioxide (CO2)	0.01 to 0.1 (average about 0.032)
ozone (O3)	0 to 0.01
sulfur dioxide (SO2)	0 to 0.0001
nitrogen dioxide (NO2)	0 to 0.000002

How much air do you breathe in a lifetime?
Every minute, multiple liters of air are cycled through your lungs.
Although present in relatively small amounts, these variable constituents may be very important for maintaining life on Earth’s surface. Water vapour is the source for all forms of precipitation and is an important absorber and emitter of infrared radiation. ..