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Is belief enough to be saved?

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Yea, sure do. Do that (love thy LORD and thy neighbour), and you will live.:)
God is love. I can’t boast that I love like Jesus loves, but my love does abound more and more… glory to God.

My command is this:
Love each other as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. John 15: 12

Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for your brothers,
love one another deeply, from the heart. 1 Peter 1:22

Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.1 Peter 4:8

It (Love) is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.1 Corinthians 13: 5

Hatred stirs up dissension, but love covers over all wrongs. Proverbs 10:12

Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. Colossians 3:13

Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you. Ephesians 4:32

All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation:
that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ's behalf: Be reconciled to God. 2 Corinthians 5:18-20
 
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Exactly,

Romans 11
6 And if by GRACE, then it is no longer by WORKS; if it were, grace would no longer be GRACE.

his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; HE HIMSELF WILL BE SAVED, but only as one escaping through the flames. 1 Corinthians 3 13-15

True, but so is this: James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
 
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True, but so is this: James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Clearly here is a man who is saved, but has no works... so yes, his faith without works is dead... but he himself is saved...


Romans 11
6 And if by GRACE, thenit is no longer by WORKS; if it were, grace would no longer be GRACE.

his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; HE HIMSELF WILL BE SAVED, but only as one escaping through the flames. 1 Corinthians 3 13-15
 
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Hi guys, I am a Christian but I have a question about whether or not belief in God is enough to be saved...

It depends on what scripture you read.
Some say by faith alone. Some say by faith and works.

Galatians 2:16
know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in[a] Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.



Ephesians 2:8-9 (NIV)
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God not by works, so that no one can boast.
 
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Clearly here is a man who is saved, but has no works... so yes, his faith without works is dead... but he himself is saved...


Romans 11
6 And if by GRACE, thenit is no longer by WORKS; if it were, grace would no longer be GRACE.

his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; HE HIMSELF WILL BE SAVED, but only as one escaping through the flames. 1 Corinthians 3 13-15
James 1:21-25
21 Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.
22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.
23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror;
24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was.
25 But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.​

I think James is telling us that our faith is complete when we, not only hear, but do what God have commanded--obedience.

For example:
The question was asked: Is belief enough to be saved? And if we go by Scripture, the answer is yes and no.

Belief is absolutely apart of it, but what distinguish your faith from that of demons? If we only were to believe is that enough for eternal life?

When Nicodemus ask Christ how could one be born again, Christ answered
Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter the Kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit ............................ For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life--John 3:5-6, 16​

"Born of water and of Spirit"
Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.--Acts 2:38

3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection,--Romans 6:3-5

For you are all sons of God through faith in Jesus Christ. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.--Galatians 3:27


Acts 8:36-38
36 Now as they went down the road, they came to some water. And the eunuch said, “See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?”
37 Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”
38 So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him.​

"Faith"

Romans 10:8-13, 17
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” .............................. So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Acts 22:16
'And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.'

Acts 19:1-5
And it happened, while Apollos was at Corinth, that Paul, having passed through the upper regions, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples 2 he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” So they said to him, “We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.” 3 And he said to them, “Into what then were you baptized?” So they said, “Into John’s baptism.” 4 Then Paul said, “John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.” 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Acts 16:30-34
30 And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” 32 Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. 33 And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their stripes. And immediately he and all his family were baptized. 34 Now when he had brought them into his house, he set food before them; and he rejoiced, having believed in God with all his household.
Who are we believing? That Jesus is the Son of God.
Why are we baptizing? Because we believe that Jesus is the Son of God.

I think James is telling us that we must put our faith to action in order for it to be called faith. He used the example of Abraham in Genesis 15:6 when God made a covenant with Abram and God said that his faith was counted to him as righteousness...but Abram did not have children then, but take a look at Genesis 22:12, this is what God said to Abraham after He had already made a covenant with him in Genesis 15:6 and told Abraham of the promises that lie in wait for him, God then tested him and said this in Genesis 22:12
And He said, "Do not lay your hand on the lad, or do anything to him; l for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me.​

Our belief in Jesus being the Son of God I think initiates our faith and then our obedience, I think solidify it.

Please, don't misunderstand, we are not "working for our salvation" Christ have already done what was necessary for us to enter the Kingdom of God, we are only being obedient to His word, for we must be hearers and doers of the word.

Remember James said
2:18
But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works."​
Our faith should be active. If you look at the original context in James, you'll notice that James didn't say we are working towards our salvation but that we are showing our faith by being obedient as a hearer and doer to the implanted word.
 
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Faith without works is dead. And so are we. Get your facts straight people.



27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?


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God saves us from many things… sometimes it’s sickness, enemies, and other harmful things. But in the case of eternal life, we are saved from eternal life without God, without His grace, His riches and His kindness… God saves us because of His great love for us, in order that he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. Here is how we are saved from eternal life without God…
 
Read what Jesus said to Nicodemus: (John 3:5-8,14-18).
5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.
16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

Which is the right way to be saved?

Here is the list again,if you read you can see they are more like different ways to be ''saved'',which ones are the right one?
Which is the right way to be ''saved''?

Acts 27:31aul said to the centurion and to the soldiers, Except these abide in the ship, ye cannot be saved.

What happened here?
If the soldiers did not abide in the ship they could not be saved?

Romans 5:9-10:
9Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


How are we saved here?

Romans 8:24:For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

It says here that we are saved by hope.

Romans 10:9:That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

What are the obligations that one has to do to be saved here?

Romans 10:13:For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

It seems here,calling on the name of the Lord,one is saved?

1 Corinthians 15:2:By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

How are people saved here?

1 Timothy 2:15:Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

How is the woman saved?

Philippians 2:12:Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

How are people saved here?

Titus 3:5:Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Ephesians 2:5:Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)


1 Corinthians 3:15:If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
 
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Buy your clothes, cars, houses and precious things, meanwhile those things precious to God die every day. People starve, suffer and die while we devour each other like fools arguing over vain religion. Their blood will cry out to God, he will not forsake the poor, only proud fools. We must humble ourselves and pray.

Wake up and smell the brimstone. Jesus warned us. Not everyone who calls him lord will enter the kingdom. You cant take your precious possessions with you when you die, and we could all die tonight. Wake up. Pray that God change your hearts, he will if you pray without ceasing. No good thing will he withhold from us if we ask, seek and you will find.

Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
 
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Absoutely. James was right when he said this. He means it differently than how you're using it.

James is saying that even the devils have belief. Belief is NOT enough. Belief and works is.
No I am sorry works will not get you to Heaven. Believing with just head belief will not either. I believed in God growing up, but it was not until I trusted in Christ as my Saviour I became a changed man and knew I was saved.

And you should really look at who James is talking to in this book, He is writing to a scattered flock of believers. Telling them to justify their faith with works. Show your faith. If not then you would wonder if they are saved. Yes in I am saved but don't show it and live it I am missing the point is what he is saying.

Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Abraham was counted as righteous because he trusted good. His works just proved it.

What about the thief on the cross, did Christ tell him to bad you did not do enough works.

How many people did Jesus tell thy faith have saved thee. Never told them anything about having to work for it.

I could start listing scripture in every book of the Bible and the whole book of Romans. None say believe and do good works to be saved.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Does not say and do good works to keep thy salvation.

Ephesians 2:8-10
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.


We are saved by grace through faith unto good works.

If it was up to me to be good enough to get into Heaven I am going to Hell. None is good, no not one.

Do you believe what Christ done on the cross is not enough to keep you saved? Do you believe you are good enough to go to Heaven and Christ died in vain? Is it not the job of the shepherd to keep the sheep?

This is a touchy subject and this is what I believe scripture teaches, if you believe other wards then thats your belief, I not here to argue the matter just state what I believe.



Did Jesus not say he is the way, the truth and the light?
Not him plus works
 
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I just have faith.

Faith without works is dead
- James

Even the devils believe
- James

Matthew 7: 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
-Jesus

One has to do something, not just 'have faith' even the devils 'believe'. Belief and faith alone are not enough.
 
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God is love. I can’t boast that I love like Jesus loves, but my love does abound more and more… glory to God.

My command is this:
Love each other as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. John 15: 12[

Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for your brothers, love one another deeply, from the heart. 1 Peter 1:22

Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.1 Peter 4:8

It (Love) is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.1 Corinthians 13: 5

Hatred stirs up dissension, but love covers over all wrongs. Proverbs 10:12

Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. Colossians 3:13

Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you. Ephesians 4:32

All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation:God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ's behalf: Be reconciled to God. 2 Corinthians 5:18-20

There you go....Love perfects our faith. To be honest, I'm a bit surprised that some here do not see that, but still insist on going at it by faith alone. Will that faith save anyone? Love has always been what the LORD wants from his children, this is TRUE WORSHIP. Love should always be the highest goal in our lives because faith is useless without LOVE. It is love that dispels all fear which negates our faith, and allows it to work unhindered(1 John 4:18).

“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ Matthew 25:34-40


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Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 1 Corinthians 13:4-7

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For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision avails any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which works by love. Galatians 5:6
 
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"to have faith in God" and "to believe in God" are not the same thing. One can believe in God, but not have faith in who He is and what He commands.

Good works only come after salvation and have zero to do with salvation. Works is simply the product of salvation.
 
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Faith without works is dead
- James

Even the devils believe
- James

Matthew 7: 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
-Jesus

One has to do something, not just 'have faith' even the devils 'believe'. Belief and faith alone are not enough.
Don't you see what they are doing professin they have done good works and believe but they have not trusted Christ as their Saviour. What's the will of the father? For all to trust Christ as their Saviour. That's what Christ was praying about remember. And there is no other way. Read my last post and answer every question even the one's under the verses and study it with prayer and an open mind. We are called into good works once saved
 
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To the OP:

This matter of justification is rather simple.

You either:

A) Believe the words of Messiah

or

B) Believe the words of Paul of Tarsus

That is really the ultimate choice facing every believer.

Paul did not contradict the LORD, but his writings have simply been abused by some unstable souls who insist that Paul taught faith alone is how one is saved.

Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God. 1 Corinthians 7:19

For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision avails any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which works by love. Galatians 5:6


This is what brother Paul has always taught: the faithful will live by love (for love is the fulfilment of the Law).
 
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There you go....Love perfects our faith. To be honest, I'm a bit surprised that some here do not see that, but still insist on going at it by faith alone. Will that faith save anyone? Love has always been what the LORD wants from his children, this is TRUE WORSHIP. Love should always be the highest goal in our lives because faith is useless without LOVE. It is love that dispels all fear which negates our faith, and allows it to work unhindered(1 John 4:18).

“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ Matthew 25:34-40


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Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 1 Corinthians 13:4-7

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For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision avails any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which works by love. Galatians 5:6

Good point. Salvation is a free gift by faith but if we just put that gift in a drawer sit at home with our bibles and do nothing with it, we achieve nothing. It is not sufficient to believe in salvation, justification and sanctification and not demonstrate love and compassion.

I am sometimes sad to see that these doctrines are rammed down the throat of others in order that they may be “saved.” We need to declare the whole council of God and the bible is clear in many places that we need to demonstrate our faith by works and that love and compassion are of vital importance.

Is God unjust? Absolutely not! God stands by his word and so should we stand also by God’s word. My hope is that the gospel is preached without contention and with compassion, making a difference and our faith is by works. Yes the scripture says grace is by faith and not by works… BUT it doesn’t stop there… We claim to be saved, justified, sanctified; we are just a hollow noise without love and compassion.
 
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Don't you see what they are doing professin they have done good works and believe but they have not trusted Christ as their Saviour. What's the will of the father? For all to trust Christ as their Saviour. That's what Christ was praying about remember. And there is no other way. Read my last post and answer every question even the one's under the verses and study it with prayer and an open mind. We are called into good works once saved

Yet Jesus tells us to go feed the starving and look after the poor.

Loving thy neighbour, etc.

Sitting around saying we "Love our neighbours" means nothing.

It's not that we have to earn our trust from God, but by doing these things we are transformed and become more like God.
 
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Yet Jesus tells us to go feed the starving and look after the poor.

Loving thy neighbour, etc.

Sitting around saying we "Love our neighbours" means nothing.

It's not that we have to earn our trust from God, but by doing these things we are transformed and become more like God.

Exactly we are called to do good works but good works will never save anybody. Only trusting in Christ
 
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Exactly we are called to do good works but good works will never save anybody. Only trusting in Christ

How do you show that you love Jesus Christ?

He that has my commandments, and keeps them, he it is that loves me: and he that loves me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. John 14:21
 
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