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Is baptism necessary to be saved?

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Archangel,

you said, "Besides, are you trying to say that you have never sought man more so than God???????? Your point is invalid."


My response: HUH? My point is that "faith alone" does not save us. Faith is a necessity, but "faith alone" will not save us until we act on it. I don't know what your saying.

In reference to Mark 16:16 you said, " baptism is also needed for slavation it would say: If a man does not believe [nor is baptized] he will be condemed, but that isn't what it says, does it?

My response: Think long and hard about what you just said. If a man dosen't believe, is he going to be baptized? The first part of the verse states, "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved;" First you have to believe! Correct? If you don't believe (faith is a necessity), then why would you act on it in baptism.

You said, ""He is faithfull even when we are faithless."

My response: Harmonize this with Matt. 7:21-22.

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Water baptism is a work is this true?

We are saved by grace , and if baptism is a work then this work will cancel out grace is this true??

If we believe and fall in Love with Christ then after we will want to do what ever pleases Christ, and that includ, bible study, going to church , and you will want to pray, and love to trust God, and His Word, and help the poor and homeless, and in your christian walk get baptized as a step as following jesus and showing that you are buried in Christ.

God Bless

God Bless
 
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Arch,

You are young. You have a lot of zeal for the Lord. But you need to couple your zeal with knowledge (Rom.10:2). Frankly, I’m not sure that I can be of much service to you at this point.

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xtxArchxAngelxtx said:
Yeah so I just did a greek study on the words for baptism.

I am afriad that we will have some unhappy people here.

Shall I post the greek definitions which are found in my kjv bible?

Arch,

The truth is not hurt by examination.

If you have something that is accurate and based on reputable sources, then share it with us. You don't need anyone's permission to do that.

Most good bible students have access to several different Greek or Hebrew lexicons or concordances. The accuracy of your findings can be easily checked.

So, if you indeed have something that is relevant to truth, Like Nike says, just do it!

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1 timothy 4:12 "let no one look down on your yotuhfulness, but rather in speech, conduct, love, faith, and purity, show youself an esample of those who belive"
13 Until I come, give attention to the public reading of scripture to exhortation and teaching.

I will ignore you last post, FC

Man is able to rationaliz anything from scritpure to try to prove ones own point of view.


FC, read what the word baptism means in the greek.

here... I shall type it for you.


Key Word Study Bible
Editor: Spiros Zodhiates.
Baptizo:
Baptism in those days was a public declaration that the Christian thus giving his testimony for Christ was willing to die for Christ following those who indeed became vctimes of persecution into death. Without the resurection of Christ and the Christian hope being a reality, such a baptism even unto death would be amockery. Therefore, the expression means to succeed into the place of those who are fallen martyrs in the cause of Christ. To baptize in its general signification means to be indetified with as the Israelites were identified witht he work and purpose of Moses (1 Cor 10:2) The baptism in or with the Holy Ghost means the work of Chirst through the miraculous effusion of the Holy Spirit upon the apostles and other believers at Pentacost.
Believers are baptized or identified spiritually into the body of Chist, the church, by one Spirit. (1 Cor 12:13). Figuratively, it also means to be immersed or plunged into a flood or sea as it of grevious afflictions and suffereing.


As far as me bing young, all I can say is that you can't teach an old dog new tricks after they get stuck in their ways.

Sorry, I have looked from your point of view again, even looking into the true meaning of the word baptism, and your side has come out lacking.
 
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Your quote:
Key Word Study Bible
Editor: Spiros Zodhiates.
Baptizo:
Baptism in those days was a public declaration that the Christian thus giving his testimony for Christ was willing to die for Christ following those who indeed became vctimes of persecution into death. Without the resurection of Christ and the Christian hope being a reality, such a baptism even unto death would be amockery. Therefore, the expression means to succeed into the place of those who are fallen martyrs in the cause of Christ. To baptize in its general signification means to be indetified with as the Israelites were identified witht he work and purpose of Moses (1 Cor 10:2) The baptism in or with the Holy Ghost means the work of Chirst through the miraculous effusion of the Holy Spirit upon the apostles and other believers at Pentacost.
Believers are baptized or identified spiritually into the body of Chist, the church, by one Spirit. (1 Cor 12:13). Figuratively, it also means to be immersed or plunged into a flood or sea as it of grevious afflictions and suffereing.

Arch,

Is this it? This is not a Greek Dictionary. This is a commentary - - or what someone thinks baptism means. I have several commentaries that offer conflicting views from what you posted. But they are also the works of men. Their opinions are only profitable when they are in accordance to truth - - if they agree with scripture. So, whether you like it or not, you still have to study the scriptures to see if the commentator was right in his/her comments.

Now, is this it? Is this what was going to make everyone so upset?

As I previously said, truth is not hurt by examination. Feelings may get hurt, but truth will not be damaged at all.

Have you ever used Strong's Lexicon, Young's Analytical Concordance, or Vine's Expository Dictionary? These sources are well respected by the majority of bible students.
 
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No, it's not a commentary... You know those pages in the back of the bible before you see the index where it defines the words in their greek name? yeah, thats where I got it from. The correct context is written in english. It's not their opinions.

Commentaries are those little inserts on the bottom of each page where it discusses (in their opinion) what the scripture is talking about. They also do not lean on your side either.
 
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I will readily agree i have not seen many commentaries that lean to yer side fla college...then again who cares of commentaries when we have the truth in the bible.

John 3:16 is considered one of the greatest scriptures ever and NO where does it mention baptism as being a part of salvation!
 
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Clytie said:
I will readily agree i have not seen many commentaries that lean to yer side fla college...
How many agreed with Noah's point of view in his day?
then again who cares of commentaries when we have the truth in the bible.
Agreed.
John 3:16 is considered one of the greatest scriptures ever and NO where does it mention baptism as being a part of salvation!
Correction. Look at verse 5, "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

John 3:16 doesn't specifically mention Repentance or Confession, but you don't rule them out simply because they aren't mentoned in that verse do you?
 
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In the quote you cited, Spiros is not "defining" baptism even if he says it in a "dictionary". Some scholars do that in some "dictionaries". They may give a definition and then make some comments. Spiros is commenting in your quote. Read it again.
 
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xtxArchxAngelxtx said:
Remission of sins is not a requirment for salvation though.

What???
You know, when I first read that statement, I thought surely that you had just made a slip up. But then I noticed that you have now made this statement 3 or 4 times.

Now I want you to compare these two verses please:
Ac. 2:38 says baptism is "for the remission of sins"
Mt. 26:28 says Christ's blood was shed "for the remission of sins"

Now do you see your delemma? Do you realize what you have just done?
If "remission" does not mean "forgiveness", then Christ's blood is not for forgiveness!

So in your zeal to rule out baptism, you have spoken too soon. Just as surely as you have ruled out baptism, you have ruled the blood, by the same reasoning.

Do you even know what remission means????

I might ask this question of you?

Please tell us what you think "remission" means in Matthew 26:28
 
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"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."


That water you speak of is actual birth.... not baptism. Being born of the spirit is beleiving, having faith, thus being saved by Grace.

Consider it a chain reaction once you beleive, for if you beleive, you will beleive in your heart, then the "spritit" of Christ will enter the heart, thus resulting in salvation.
 
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And if you were paying attention, I have given the definition.
 
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