Originally posted by JOhnPreparer
What do the Catholic said about the purpose of baptism.... to the cleasing of the original sin... therefore, for chili and lion heart... do you think we still need it???
Word of God is not word to be play with.... A COMMAND is something we required to do not to compromise with....
jp-differenciate command and request
Originally posted by Chili
Well of course John, the original sin was the formation of the tree of knowledge (to know the difference between good and evil) and the annihilation of this tree is what Catholic baptism has in mind (no good and evil = no sin).
Like I wrote earlier, it is easy to "get saved" but to receive a fish or a scorpion is not ours to say and that is what Catholic Baptism is aiming for.
Do you believe that some people get a scorpion or do we all get a fish because we want one.
Originally posted by JOhnPreparer
I agree with you that it is not for me to judge but to be on the safe side and as the Word of God has been putting it, I still standing frim on my belief that baptism is essential for everyone...
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Originally posted by cougan
I have a few questions.
How many baptism are there under the new covenant?
Do you have to have you sins forgiven before you are saved?
How do you get into the body of Christ which is the church?
How do you die with Christ?
How are you raised with Christ be quickend together with him?
Originally posted by Chili
I will argue that Jesus and John were bosum buddies with John being born in the netherwold to prepare the way also in the netherworld for which reason he was beheaded and later to appear again at the foot of the cross
Originally posted by cougan
I have a few questions.
How many baptism are there under the new covenant?
Do you have to have you sins forgiven before you are saved?
How do you get into the body of Christ which is the church?
How do you die with Christ?
How are you raised with Christ be quickend together with him?
Originally posted by JOhnPreparer
How many baptism are there under the new covenant?
There is two - baptism of water and of the spirit
Do you have to have you sins forgiven before you are saved? God, Jesus died on the cross to take away your sins, therefore you are free from the bondage of sins. No worry. He paid in advance for us. You are a free man
How do you get into the body of Christ which is the church?
Proclaim and accept Christ Jesus as your personal Saviour and Lord and ask for the forgiveness of sin...
Just pray a simple prayer like this:
Lord Jesus, I need you, I am a sinner and I'm asking for your forgivenss, Lord. Jesus, I invite and I accept you into my life as my personal saviour and Lord. Thank you for dying on the cross for me. In the name of Jesus, I pray. Amen.
Then I can embrace you as my new family in Christ
So are you saying that you are not crucifed with christ until you are baptized? And are you also stateing that you do not become a new creature until you are baptized? If this is what you are saying I agree with you on this. See the following versesHow do you die with Christ?
Baptism of water - where the old is gone and the new has come... which means that you leave your oldself when you are submerged under water and resurrected again when you immerged from the water - you are a new being in Christ.
How are you raised with Christ be quickend together with him?
We all are going to die someday but we will be judge but because we have Christ we will inherit eternal life instead of the second death which are eternal fire...
jp-hope this help. God bless
Originally posted by Lion Heart
cougan,
1 Pet 1
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever .
Were these 120 believers, partakers of the Holy Spirit.
If they were, then they were Baptized by the Holy Spirit.
Jhn 1
33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
Jesus, said "I will come to you" when speaking of the Comforter He was to send. (Jhn 14:18)
It is not the outward Baptism that secures the position in Christ, its the inward Batism of the Holy Spirit.
And we can assuredly state that without this Batism, no one can receive the Holy Spirit.
GOOD Word,
Richard
Originally posted by tyler4588
Actually, Jesus was baptized. Read Luke 3:21-22.
My beliefs on baptizm is this. In the Great Commission, (Matthew 28:16-20) We are commanded to be baptized. Now, am I saved if I am not baptized? YES OF COURSE! We are saved by the grace of God, and by nothing else. To say that we are not saved if we are not baptized, is saying that Jesus's death on the cross was not enough, I need to be baptized also.
Baptizing is the outward declaration that I am a Christian. It's declaring my allegiance to God.
Originally posted by LouisBooth
"Why then did Jesus say, "he who believes AND is baptized will be saved..." (Mark 16:16"
*sigh* ed, you need to look at the footnote about this passage. Baseing docterine on this one verse is a bad thing. PLUS it says in John 3:18 that if you believe you are not condemned. It makes no mention of baptism at all ONLY BELIEF.
Mark 16:16 is not just one verse regarding baptism. Matt. 28:19 also records Jesus COMMANDING his disciples to make disciples of all nations BAPTIZING them in the nme of the Father, and od the son and of the Holy Spirit. Now, why would Jesus give such COMMAND if BAPTISM is NOT relevant to salvation?
You DON'T believe what Jesus says in Mark 16:16 my friend. You know what's coming to you.
"Is there a biblical support for this belief? "
Yup. Why else would Christ get baptised? That's just to start.
I'm afraid you are not answering my question. My question is this: "Whose idea is it that 'baptizing is the outward declaration that I am a Christian. It's declaring my allegiance to God.' Is there a biblical support for this belief?"
I want to see scripture to support your belief - NOT assumption NOR interpretation.
Obviously you have no clue why Jesus COMMANDED his disciples to BAPTIZE those who BELIEVE in accordance with Mark 16:16, yet you refuse to acknowledge your inadequacy in order to make room for knowledge that might lead you to the TRUTH that may also save you from the wrath of God.
Ed
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