Is atheism logical?

[ranmaonehalf]

Us human beings are very good at suppressing bad things- even if the inevitable end is horrible. In North America and Europe, we have a multitude of distractions to help us avoid thinking about death- possessions, making money, entertainment, sports, travel; the list goes on and on.

In Africa, where many people really honestly don't know when they wake up if they are going to be able to feed themselves, or survive another day in a battle with disease, or not be hacked to death or shot by some terrorist, death may seem to be a lot closer- but there is still denial.

A person waiting to be executed, or in the hands of terrorists who he knows are very likely not only going to kill him, but to agonizingly torture him so that he dies a most horrible death, still clings to the hope that he will be spared, be rescued; again, denial.

So it is with anyone who does not believe in God- they can deny, deny, deny. But that's not going to change what will inevitably happen.

wow so gods gone from a scary stalker to a terrorits now?
your doing a great job promoting your god...

 

[ranmaonehalf]

A good example of cognitive dissonance in this context is the clinging to accepted Biblical standards of conduct and God-inspired social norms by those who profess to be atheists.

you have no idead what CD means do you? no god made the "standards" society existed way before the christian god and his commandments did.


Anyone who truly doesn't believe in God, His commandments and His instructions as to how we should live our lives has no moral compass, no benchmark of what is acceptable behavior or not- other than those standards imposed by the society in which they live.

oh no not the atheists are immoral PRATT.
Its clearly shown that atheist are if anything more moral as reflectd by the prison population.



But society-imposed standards are deficient in that they usually can only deal with behaviors which can be promulgated into a written code of laws, and they only apply if you get caught and are proven to be guilty- a cumbersome and often costly process.

well thats reality and it has worked much better than an imaginary stalker/terrorits "what else haveyou compared your god to?"

So in the mind of one who professes to be an atheist, anything goes- and one person's moral code is no more valid than anyone else's.

no, no and no. for one thing being an atheists does not mean you dont have religion, and like it or not you choose what you think is moral or immoral regaurdless of your religion. So even if god did exists his opinion on what is good or bad is just as arbitrary as our own.

This explains why egomaniacal dictators, "many who were christian(hitler)" can justify all manner of abuse and torture- (since they are doing gods word) they are completely free to set whatever heinous behavioral standards they want. (wow sounds like they are following gods example in the bible) Those who follow satan are capable of committing similar atrocities- for them also, God's standards aren't relevant.
(and for some odd reason god has killed many many more people than satan in the bible, makes you wonder whose the greater evil)

But the truth of the matter is that most people who profess to be atheists are in fact good people, (well duh... cause your entire argument is flawed) able to discern right from wrong, (dang it i thought you said we was immoral beings..) and do in fact live their lives according to accepted standards of behavior (of society)- not just those in a country's criminal code, but also those behavioral norms described in the Bible (hey the bible has copied a lot from other religions and cultures and codes so this isnt surprising.) . So, whether it be consciously or not, most atheists cling to behavioral standards that are inconsistent with what their stated belief requires (um no, all the belief requires is a lack of belief in a god. Morals, sociality is irrelevant.) because, I believe, deep down, they realize that there really may be a God who will eventually hold them accountable for what they have done. (thats nice but you woudl be wrong. Perhaps its your own mind trying to justify why people can be moral without the threat of some sky terrorits/stalker hovering over them.)

Cognitive dissonance becomes more acute as an atheist grows older, and the inevitability of death looms closer, and they question not only where the ordered Universe came from, but also how their conscience; their knowledge of right and wrong behavior, could possibly come from anywhere other than God working within them.( you really haveno idea what CD means do you?)

So my advice is this- why fight it, why keep increasing the amount of stress and cognitive dissonance in your life. (pleased go do dictionary.com and find out what CD means.) Why not embrace the living, loving God, who is ready at any time upon your repentance, to forgive your sins, and give you peace- for eternity.( i try to avoid delusions) All you need to do is simply pray and ask God to be with you- the Lord's Prayer is a very good start:
(wow is that all, i keep getting a "sorry the god you are trying to contact either is busy, does not exists or is a trick of another god/higherbeing, or a figment of someones imagination signal" do you have his number?)

 

[ranmaonehalf]

I maintain that God's standard is a universal and unchangeable one- so, for example, adultery, murder, theft, lying, etc. are always wrong. If someone professes to be a Christian, but then says its alright to murder or commit adultery, they are not following God's standard.
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lets see god gets a women pregant that is married, god murders time and time again in the bible ( or orders the death of others), god has others steal land from others, god doesnt tell the truth many times in the bible.

well looks like you need to stop following your god. he has provided a horrible example of how to act.

 

[ranmaonehalf]

HELP! I need someone else to help take on the burden of carrying on the debate for the "no" side.

But, despite some rocky moments, it is pretty civilized and interesting- you'd almost think that everyone here was a Christian, rigorously following Biblical standards of polite discussion.

There is a code for that too, y'know.

Peter 6:14

Thou shallnot flame those that deserve it..

 

[ranmaonehalf]

Because us human beings are- and always will be- imperfect.

My hypothesis on the suicide bombers is that they are soldiers of the devil- their acts are so barbaric, so unexplainable that only satan could have devised them.

you do realize that its god that constant demand death of others and war right?

satan killed very very few people in the bible and god thousands.

it seems to me that SB is entirely a god thing.

 

[ranmaonehalf]

anyone that can somehow justify GOing into a CITY and indiscriminately killing and maiming as many people as possible- men, women, children, young, old, of any political or religious affiliation, has lost every stitch of morality. and this is exactly what god demands multiple times in the bible

Certainly, Christianity could never justify such an action, as it is done many times in the bible, which is why I think that the suicide bombers who claim to be Muslims are only using that religion as anyone else uses it as an excuse for their actions. Their true leader is god ,satan is just a scapegoat who doesnt have near the body count god does- who always acts completely contrary to what God preaches(wanting people to be educted, thus eating of the fruit of knowledge), and is always trying to steer us away from embracing God and leading a Godly life of murdering whomever god doesnt like.

 

[Servant of Jesus]

I guess I'm not going to convince you to embrace a faith that two billion people in the world subscribe to.

Source: http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm

 

[DeathMagus]

I guess I'm not going to convince you to embrace a faith that two billion people in the world subscribe to.

Source: http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm

Argument from popularity? Seriously?

On a debate forum?

 

[ranmaonehalf]

I guess I'm not going to convince you to embrace a faith that two billion people in the world subscribe to.

Source: http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm

you do realise that the majority of the population fo the world reject christianity. that the majoriy of humans that have ever lived reject christianity?

and of course argu ad pop...

 

[raidertm2002]

It should also be taken into consideration that christians like to spread their religion like the plague, so naturally there will be more of them. Ex. Modern missions in Africa or the crusades

 

[cantata]

It should also be taken into consideration that christians like to spread their religion like the plague, so naturally there will be more of them. Ex. Modern missions in Africa or the crusades

Yeah, true.

Most religions don't have evangelism built in. Judaism doesn't, for example.

 

[Servant of Jesus]

you do realise that the majority of the population of the world reject christianity.

The more important observation I would make here is that 97.5% of the human race believe in the existence of God. They may call Him by different names, but nevertheless believe that the universe is created, rather than an accidental happening.

Of course, I have already stated that I believe that there is no such thing as a true atheist- only 2.5% of the world's population that deny that God exists.

 

[Servant of Jesus]

anyone that can somehow justify GOing into a CITY and indiscriminately killing and maiming as many people as possible- men, women, children, young, old, of any political or religious affiliation, has lost every stitch of morality. and this is exactly what god demands multiple times in the bible

If you're talking about examples like Sodom and Gomorrah- you're right- we have a God who has little tolerance for evil.

And it is also true that when the world comes to an end, the Bible clearly states that there will be a judgement day- and that those who have failed to be reconciled with God face a horrible time of tribulation living for eternity in hell.

But the reverse is also true- God in the Bible promises a life of great peace and tranquility for those who are offered a place in Heaven with Him.

So I embrace Christ, I embrace the standard of decent living that He represents, I embrace his guidance every day in my life.

And I look forward to the promises that He has made with regard to what happens when I die.

I figure I have nothing to lose, and eternity in Heaven to gain.

 

[UncleHermit]

Of course, I have already stated that I believe that there is no such thing as a true atheist- only 2.5% of the world's population that deny that God exists.

What's so hard to understand about the fact that some people don't believe in a god?

 

[Servant of Jesus]

you have no idead what CD means do you?

Then please enlighten me- tell me what you think CD means.

 

[uberd00b]

There is no such thing as an aethist- only a person of God who tries hard, for a multitude of reasons, to maintain themselves in a state of denial- despite the obvious.

Hi! I'm an atheist.

 

[Servant of Jesus]

Hi! I'm an atheist.

You claim to be for now- but as a Christian, I believe you will eventually come to believe.

But you have the free will to determine whether it will be from the vantage point of Heaven or hell.

I urge you to continue learning, and to keep an open mind.

 

[UncleHermit]

You claim to be for now- but as a Christian, I believe you will eventually come to believe.

Since an atheist is not defined as "someone who disbelieves in god, and never will believe in one ever", the above is not a valid reason to claim that atheists do not exist (assuming for the sake of argument that you are correct that everyone will one day believe).

 

[uberd00b]

You claim to be for now- but as a Christian, I believe you will eventually come to believe.

It's certainly possible. If there appeared to be a god or gods I would become a believer automatically.

It's honesty that makes me take the logical position of atheism, and honesty only cares about what appears to be true. Now I've heard a lot of arguments for God's existence, from the ontologic argument to "God keeps all the bees in the air", and not a single one of them is logical or at all convincing. There could always be a new argument I haven't heard that would convince me.

But you have the free will to determine whether it will be from the vantage point of Heaven or hell.

Undeserved reward or unjustified suffering, that's quite a choice.

I urge you to continue learning, and to keep an open mind.

Open mindedness is not something that atheists lack. It is open mindedness (and honesty) that often brings them to their position. Closed mindedness is far far more often seen from the theists side of the fence than any other. So I will, don't worry.

 

[anonymous1515]

Ah yes, the old "if you don't believe in Christ you don't have an open mind" claim....how I tire of that one.

As fas as I can see, Taoism remains of the most open-minded worldviews I've ever come across.