Is Astrology a science?

[Astrid]

The Bible is Bible, Science is Science, and History is History. Three different classes. Three different books. The History book we used in High School was written by James Breasted in 1916 and revised in 1935. Called ancient time - A History of the World. Most of what we read in his book we can find on Wiki today.

The Bible, Science (Biology Geology, Botney) and History all agree. There is no conflict, there is no problem. No one has ever shown me a conflict. Moses and Abraham were both very well educated in their day. When Moses came before Pharaoh they both had the same education. They both had been to the same school. Moses was adopted by Pharaoh's daughter.

Exodus 2:10 "When the child had grown older, she brought him to Pharaoh’s daughter, and he became her son. She named him Mosesb and explained, “I drew him out of the water.”

Whether there is conflict depends entirely on how
one chooses to interpret the Bible.

Choosing a reading that is contrary to
physical evidence is up to the individual, but bending
facts to match personal choice is iffy practice.

As you no doubt agree.

 

[Diamond72]

Whether there is conflict depends entirely on how
one chooses to interpret the Bible.

The conflict is not in the Bible. The conflict is in the translation or interpretation. There is a lot of Bible that does not even get translated. Science also does not have all wisdom, knowledge and understanding. There is a LOT we do not know.

 

[Diamond72]

Choosing a reading that is contrary to
physical evidence is up to the individual

God gives us both. They both come from God. He also gives us the Mind of Christ so we can understand the Bible and the physical evidence He provides us with. He wants us to know what He is doing. He wants us to worship HIm and give Him praise, honor and glory. There actually is nothing better than to enter into the presence of God.

Of course there are people with a reprobate mind. We just have to be careful not to give them approval. Romans 1:32 "Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things are worthy of death, they not only continue to do these things, but also approve of those who practice them".

29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed, and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant, and boastful. They invent new forms of evil; they disobey their parents. 31They are senseless, faithless, heartless, merciless.…

 

[Hans Blaster]

First you tell us that incompatible things are compatible...

God gives us both. They both come from God. He also gives us the Mind of Christ so we can understand the Bible and the physical evidence He provides us with. He wants us to know what He is doing. He wants us to worship HIm and give Him praise, honor and glory. There actually is nothing better than to enter into the presence of God.

And then you suggest we should be executed because we don't see your god in everything we look at.

Of course there are people with a reprobate mind. We just have to be careful not to give them approval. Romans 1:32 "Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things are worthy of death, they not only continue to do these things, but also approve of those who practice them".

29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed, and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant, and boastful. They invent new forms of evil; they disobey their parents. 31They are senseless, faithless, heartless, merciless.…

Why should we give your arguments a moment of our time if you are to be so full of malice at those who do not believe?

 

[Diamond72]

Ask your Hasidic Rabbi if Moses crossed the Red Sea to escape Egypt; or what the Tabernacle in the Wilderness was made out of.

The one Rabbi answered a question once. Then he quit responding. The other one said he wanted $300 to answer my questions. They have a lot of material on youtube. I have seen some of their books. I am mostly interested learning Hebrew. My only question for them would be why they think they can add to the Bible when they teach that no one can add to what we receive from Moses. Only Jesus can add to what God gave to Moses.

Numbers 12 6 He said, “Hear now My words: If there is a prophet among you, I, the LORD, will reveal Myself to him in a vision; I will speak to him in a dream. 7 But this is not so with My servant Moses; he is faithful in all My house. 8 I speak with him face to face, clearly and not in riddles; he sees the form of the LORD.

 

[Diamond72]

Why should we give your arguments a moment of our time if you are to be so full of malice at those who do not believe?

I just quoted the Bible. I personally do not care what you do. My only point was that we can not give approval to unGodly people. That is something God will hold us accountable for. Why would you suggest that I should fear man more than I fear God?

 

[Hans Blaster]

I just quoted the Bible. I personally do not care what you do. My only point was that we can not give approval to unGodly people. That is something God will hold us accountable for. Why would you suggest that I should fear man more than I fear God?

Yes, but you chose that quote and knew what it meant.

We all know that Paul considered people like @Estrid and I to have "reprobate minds" because we don't find his "clearly evident" god to be evident and therefore we are "deserving of death". I suspect you weren't trying to be so cruel as to say she deserved to die for not believing, but that is precisely how it comes off.

I doubt that @Estrid grew up seeing "god's handiwork" in the things of nature as she did not grow up with Christianity at all, but even I did not view all living things as evidence of God when I was a boy -- they were living things that grew and evolved and I wanted to understand how. I'm not sure how that passage would have struck me during my earlier Christian years if I had encountered it. I'm not sure if it would have even sunk in.

 

[Astrid]

The conflict is not in the Bible. The conflict is in the translation or interpretation. There is a lot of Bible that does not even get translated. Science also does not have all wisdom, knowledge and understanding. There is a LOT we do not know.

Obviously science doesnt have all wisdom etc.
Nobody says otherwise.

Sensible investigation can though determine
if some things are true, or false.
Bible interpretations like gap or wwf are
demonstrably, thro' sensible investigation,
shown false.
Pi= 3 is even easier.

The reality of God, or salvation? Nobody
can show those are false.

 

[Astrid]

God gives us both. They both come from God. He also gives us the Mind of Christ so we can understand the Bible and the physical evidence He provides us with. He wants us to know what He is doing. He wants us to worship HIm and give Him praise, honor and glory. There actually is nothing better than to enter into the presence of God.

Of course there are people with a reprobate mind. We just have to be careful not to give them approval. Romans 1:32 "Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things are worthy of death, they not only continue to do these things, but also approve of those who practice them".

29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed, and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant, and boastful. They invent new forms of evil; they disobey their parents. 31They are senseless, faithless, heartless, merciless.…

That does not address what I said about a reading
contrary to fact. Like pi=3.

If you consider me a wicked reprobate unworthy
of any regard, say so boldly, don't hide behind
a bible quote.

 

[AV1611VET]

If you consider me a wicked reprobate unworthy
of any regard, say so boldly, don't hide behind
a bible quote.

I consider you a sinner -- like me.

 

[Astrid]

Yes, but you chose that quote and knew what it meant.

We all know that Paul considered people like @Estrid and I to have "reprobate minds" because we don't find his "clearly evident" god to be evident and therefore we are "deserving of death". I suspect you weren't trying to be so cruel as to say she deserved to die for not believing, but that is precisely how it comes off.

I doubt that @Estrid grew up seeing "god's handiwork" in the things of nature as she did not grow up with Christianity at all, but even I did not view all living things as evidence of God when I was a boy -- they were living things that grew and evolved and I wanted to understand how. I'm not sure how that passage would have struck me during my earlier Christian years if I had encountered it. I'm not sure if it would have even sunk in.

The quote was not chosen at random.
I've had such directed at me before.
But perhaps there is a good explanation.

That nature was "god's handiwork" never occurred to
me, growing up.
Christianity consisted of an awareness thar an
Alien religion had a few churches here, but the symbol
of torture was very off putting.
We of course cultural- appropriated Christmas.
It's fun but has nothing to do with religion.

In the USA I learned a lot more about Christianity,
including that "Paul" seems to me a complete fake
and his saying very uninviting to an Asian woman of
a "sinful" orientation.
I learned that Jesus was a good teacher, and his sayings
closely match the folk wisdom which I was taught as a
child...I didnt see a need to go to church or read a book about it.

Maybe someone could teach me something about
Christianity that I am failing to grasp.
I don't have a closed mind.
So far it's not evident to me.

 

[AV1611VET]

I learned that Jesus was a good teacher, and his sayings
closely match the folk wisdom which I was taught as a
child...I didnt see a need to go to church or read a book about it.

Jesus spoke more on Hell than any other person in the Bible: describing it in great detail.

Maybe someone could teach me something about Christianity that I am failing to grasp.

I don't have a closed mind.

Is that why I'm on IGNORE?

So far it's not evident to me.

That's sad.

 

[Diamond72]

If you consider me a wicked reprobate unworthy
of any regard, say so boldly, don't hide behind
a bible quote.

This is between you and Paul. You are going to have to talk with him if you do not understand what he said. I do not consider anyone anything other than good, because God created us and God is good. If you have a negative opinion of yourself, then you should work on that. Because we should always have a positive attitude. Paul would tell you that God is good, He created us to be good and that is what we should be. Or recognize that we are. If people do not have the mind of Christ, then there are going to be things they do not understand.

 

[Diamond72]

Pi= 3 is even easier.

Pi does equal three if you take the thickness of the container into consideration. I did drafting before computers. We always put NTS (not to scale) on our drawings because a line that may be invisible in the real world has a thickness on paper. It is easier for young people to live in a virtual world because they are more used to this. So I do agree with what you are saying.

 

[Diamond72]

the symbol
of torture was very off putting.

We agree there. The whole idea that for some reason Jesus had to suffer and die because of me does not make any sense. Just like all the pain, misery and suffering do not make any sense. Why would Putin destroy people's humble homes the way he does? That does not make any sense. We should be doing all we can to help people have a comfortable home to dwell in. I was a carpenter, so that is what I did for a living. Even Jesus was a carpenter. He went about preaching, teaching, healing, and doing good - that is what we should do. My father was a doctor and he spent 50 years working 12 hours a day trying to help people to be healthy.

The one thing my father wanted to teach us was even if we have adversity in life - we can still have a good positive attitude. He took us to see a patient of his that had polio. Even though they had to deal with a difficult situation, they still had a good positive healthy attitude. They were happy in the face of adversity.

 

[AV1611VET]

We always put NTS (not to scale) on our drawings because a line that may be invisible in the real world has a thickness on paper.

And I think we can put this Pi thing to rest now once and for all, folks!

Good job, Diamond!

Do you then agree with this statement:

Anything drawn with a “NTS” next to it means that whatever you do, you should not get a physical scale out to measure anything. Read the text and ignore the dimensions and relative relationships of what is drawn.

Source = What Do Architects Acronyms Mean?

 

[Diamond72]

Jesus spoke more on Hell than any other person in the Bible: describing it in great detail.

Matthew 25 Jesus was talking about what people DID NOT DO.

45 Then the King will answer, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for Me.’ 46 And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

 

[sjastro]

Because we don't know all the factors. You're saying that a glacier would float regardless to whether it's adhered to the ground beneath it (and adhesion is an open question as well). In short, you're saying there will be a point where the difference in density would overcome adhesion. Perhaps. Or perhaps it would exceed the tensile strength of ice with the result of shearing of the ice cap itself. Or perhaps not. There's more at work here than a simple difference in densities.

Since you mentioned a 55 gallon drum. an experiment would be to allow water to freeze in the bottom of the drum, then fill the drum with water and see if the layer at the bottom floats, and, if so, how long it takes. Or...

Here's a proposed experiment. It requires a disposable cup or container, both that are exact cylinders or are flared at the top, some sandpaper, and water chilled to just above freezing. Roughen the inside bottom of the container with the sandpaper, pour in enough water to make a small layer at the bottom, then put in a freezer. Take water and put it in container and put it in a refrigerator. Wait overnight. The next day, with our icebox "glacier" still in the freezer, gently pour the chilled water over the top. The amount of water added must exceed the depth of the layer of the ice by at least 1%, preferably more. Then see what happens.

An alternative is to let our experimental "glacier" sit outside overnight in freezing temperatures, then pour the chilled water on top.

Note: I'm thinking the water poured on top has to exceed the depth of the layer of ice by 1% to rule out not adding enough water. Many times I've poured water for animals on top of the ice in their trough or bowls, and it wasn't enough to make the ice below float, maybe because the water I added wasn't enough to overcome adhesion. I haven't used this as an example of water on top of ice because I'm thinking it could be something different.

Lets look at the Antarctic ice sheet which flows due to plastic deformation under its own weight which would an ideal test case of water flowing over an ice covered continent.
Antarctic ice core samples can be analyzed using mass spectrometry for elements.

If there was a great flood, sea levels would rise which would inundate the ice sheet leaving a concentration of ions such as Na⁺, Cl⁻, SO²₄⁻, Mg²⁺, Ca²⁺ and K⁺ in a given layer of the core.
Not only is such a concentration not found but the ice core can also be dated by counting layers and there is nothing suspicious which happened around 4,400 years ago.

 

[Aaron112]

Can anyone find a truthful science source that explains this correctly ?

 

[Astrid]

This is between you and Paul. You are going to have to talk with him if you do not understand what he said. I do not consider anyone anything other than good, because God created us and God is good. If you have a negative opinion of yourself, then you should work on that. Because we should always have a positive attitude. Paul would tell you that God is good, He created us to be good and that is what we should be. Or recognize that we are. If people do not have the mind of Christ, then there are going to be things they do not understand.

Whatever. Your opinion, not mine.